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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:45 PM
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Your ONLY guarantee of casting a vote: ABSENTEE BALLOT!
Voting by Absentee Ballot is the ONLY guarantee that you will be able to cast a ballot in this election. If the voting machines "break down" (which they often do), and there are no paper ballots available at your polling station--or if only "provisional" ballots are available--you don't get to vote.

Bradblog has been touting a recent (10/3/06 ) memo from Diebold's California Secretary of State Bruce McPherson and his ass't Susan Lapsley as a victory for paper ballots. It is not. It is a scam. Here is Lapsley's poison pill...

"You (election officials) may also use paper PROVISIONAL ballots to satisfy voters wishing to vote on paper...." --Diebold shill Susan Lapsley (the 10/3/06 memo) (EMPHASIS ADDED)

Much as I love and respect Brad, we need to understand that this memo opens the way for corrupt county election officials to force voters to use "provisional" ballots, which are easily tossable. The memo was clearly designed to do this. A "provisional" ballot is no ballot at all--as we learned in Ohio.

Brad has pointed out the flaws and loopholes in this Diebold shill written memo--and criticisms of it by (good) Calif Sec of State candidate DEBRA BOWEN, and election reform attorney Paul Lehto ("Landshark" at DU)--but none of them mention THIS ONE--that they can simply substitute a "provisional" ballot for a real paper ballot.

Brad has been responding to the pandemic in voting machine "breakdowns"--for one thing with a proposed Congressional bill to require that emergency paper ballots be made available --although I don't know how anyone could have expected a Congress that was created by Diebold/ES&S to want to help people to vote. The bill does have good educational value, though--and for that, and for AWESOME AND HEROIC WORK ON ELECTION REFORM, I salute Brad!

But California voters and others have got to understand that ABSENTEE BALLOT voting is the ONLY guarantee that you will be able to cast a vote in this election. These crapass, insecure, extremely insider hackable, Bushite-controlled electronic voting machines frequently break down--by accident or by design. The polling place may have NO REAL PAPER BALLOTS to vote on! "Provisional" ballots were created by the Anthrax Congress SO THAT THEY CAN BE TOSSED. That's what happened in Ohio in '04. That's what kept Bush in the White House (--or rather, that was the capper, after a whole lot of electronic voting fraud and other vote suppression all over the country). We have also had reports of election officials' abuse by "provisional" ballots--and failure to provide a real ballot--in California, particularly in the counties with corrupt election officials who opposed Kevin Shelley's reforms.

In California, we've had the right to request a real paper ballot since Kevin Shelly was Sec of State. It is nothing new. But what McPherson and Lapsley appear to have done is to greatly WEAKEN that right, and in this particularly sneaky way--slipping in permission to substitute "provisional" ballots. This needs to be looked into legally. They may have broken California law. (I'm not sure if Shelley codified it--it may have been done by some special power of the Sec of State. I remember that it was something of an emergency measure--associated with his suing Diebold and decertifying their touchscreens, prior to the 2004 election, and I remember also that the corrupt county officials fought him on it.)

After they "swiftboated" Kevin Shelly out of office (on entirely bogus corruption charges) in Feb. '05, they installed Diebold shill Bruce McPherson as Sec of State, by appointment of Schwarzenegger. McPherson then ILLEGALLY re-certified Diebold touchscreens, and is undoing all of Shelley's reforms. He is now facing election--VOTE FOR DEBRA BOWEN FOR SEC OF STATE!--and, like Kenneth Blackwell, has acted to insure an easy Diebold/ES&S rigging of his own election and that of other Republicans including Schwarzenegger. He is also likely trying to head off an overwhelming VOTER REVOLT OF ABSENTEE BALLOT VOTING, by assuring people that they will have a paper ballot to vote on at their polling place.

DON'T COUNT ON IT!

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**Get your Absentee Ballot NOW! The deadline for requesting an Absentee Ballot in California is OCTOBER 31, plenty of time. (The deadline for registering to vote is Oct. 23, a week earlier.) (For other states, check local rules.)**

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Fill it out carefully -ballot and envelope. 1st class mail is acceptable, but I recommend mailing it certified/return receipt requested (it's cheap), or Fed Ex (not cheap)--to insure that it gets there. Photocopy everything before you mail it. Or hand-deliver it to your registrar before the election (best), or to your polling station on election day (okay, but I don't recommend it--because those votes are counted last, sometimes days later).

If you don't get an Absentee Ballot ahead of time, and are stuck on election day--the machines "break down," or you don't want to vote on the machines--demand an Absentee Ballot or other REAL paper ballot to vote on. And raise as much stink about it as you feel capable of. DO NOT vote on any ballot that is marked "provisional" if you can help it.

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THE ABSENTEE BALLOT PROTEST

But this is not my main reason for pushing Absentee Ballot voting. There are reports from all over of a dramatic increase in Absentee Ballot voting. And I believe that it is an indigenous citizen PROTEST AGAINST THE MACHINES. They DON'T TRUST the machines. They want a PAPER BALLOT, HAND-COUNTED. It's already up to 50% to 60% of the vote in some places. That is already a huge VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE in the electronic voting system.

So let's go with it! As with Rosa Parks on that segregated Montgomery bus, ORDINARY PEOPLE are pointing the way.

If NOBODY WILL VOTE ON THESE MACHINES, how can local election officials defend this expensive, riggable electronic voting system?

This is the way to get rid of it. BOYCOTT THE MACHINES! DON'T VOTE on the machines! DON'T COOPERATE with your own oppression! Let these riggable voting machines gather dust and rot!

It won't likely get us accurate vote counts this fall--nothing can--but it WILL create BADLY NEEDED pressure and momentum for reform AT THE LOCAL LEVEL--which I believe is the only level at which election reform is possible. And, if we are successful, we may thus save the '08 primaries and general election from TRADE SECRET vote "counting" by Bushite corporations.

If ordinary people are trying to do something--and I think they are--we MUST support them. They want hand-counted paper ballots. Let's get it for them!

USE THIS PROTEST! Get on top of it! LEAD it! Force the media to acknowledge the REASON for it!

I just saw the first corporate rag "talking point" on this. Sacramento Bee-Dan Walters, yesterday. Not one word about it being a voter REVOLT. He says people are voting AB for "convenience." I don't believe it. It's ALWAYS been "convenient" and it's NEVER been this high. Doubled and trebled over the years since the onset of the electronic voting scam and Bushites inexplicably "winning" elections. Now it's HALF and more of the voters in many places--with dramatic leaps in the numbers of AB voters recently.

It's A PROTEST! The People are SPEAKING! Let's help amplify their voices! Instead of doubting, and worrying, and thinking up all sorts of reasons they SHOULDN'T vote by AB, and SHOULD vote on Bushite-controlled voting machines (helping to pour billions of taxpayer dollars into Bushite pockets), let's go with what IS happening: An existing, in-progress voter rebellion!

Spread the word--for the sake of those who still have time to request an AB! And get on this protest PUBLIC RELATIONS! The corporate media are going to act all mystified (they're already doing it) as to why voters are voting by AB. We have got to counter this--and get the public's message out there.

We may not have much time. This election may be IT. A Diebold II Congress may take away our local power over choice of voting systems, or enact any number of fascist edicts that make reform impossible. So we've got to act now. The people have provided the strategy. Let's HELP them, for godssakes!

Bust the Machines--Vote by Absentee Ballot!






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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:47 PM
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1. Well, here's my problem with that idea: I vote in Georgia where we use
electronic voting machines. I voted by absentee in 2004 because of that reason. I also had most of my family do the same.

Then I found out that absentee ballots are not counted in Georgia unless the vote is close.

I'm not voting absentee this year...
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:50 PM
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2. Same here in New York IIRC...
"absentee ballots are not counted in Georgia unless the vote is close."
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:52 PM
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4. I'm not sure where you heard absentee ballots are not counted
I serve as the Dem representative for my county's election board on election nights (one Dem and one Rep have to be present for the election to be certified). I can tell you that all absentee ballots are scanned through.

Now with that having been said, they are scanned on an optical scanner made by Diebold. Personally, I feel that if they can manipulate votes on regular machines, why can't they change what is scanned on the optical scanners?

But absentee ballots are at least run through the machines.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:00 PM
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7. Interesting. I've always heard it and just called the Secretary of State's
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 04:03 PM by MJDuncan1982
office.

Of course I got rerouted and ended up at a machine.

Good to know they are counted. And that makes them better since there is a paper trail.

ABSENTEE IT IS (once I get confirmation from the Sec. of State)

EDIT: Just got confirmation...the votes are counted!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:19 PM
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12. Understand hanky panky can occur when modems are used to send results
from the opti-scan ballot counting machines to the "mother" tabulating computer--or else in the mother computer, itself.

Is this not so?
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:31 PM
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15. Yes, it is so. If your absentee ballot is being counted via a different
machine/method also known to be hackable, have you gained anything? Assuming your ballot isn't invalidated on a false pretext?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:04 AM
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20. Absentee ballot is still inherently superior to DRE with no paper trail-
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 08:05 AM by flpoljunkie
no real way to audit the Diebold machines in Florida, and recounts are now forbidden by law in Florida, as I understand, because there is no way to recount on the Diebold DRE machines. Is this not the case here?
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:56 AM
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24. If recounts are forbidden by law (how convenient), then it's unlikely
anyone would be able to audit the absentee ballots, so I don't see the advantage of paper over machine. The machines that scan and tabulate absentee ballots can also be tampered with and if you can't challenge the results, it doesn't matter whether you have a physical record of your vote.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:03 PM
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9. UPDATE: Retracting earlier post. I spoke with the Secretary of State's
office and the absentee votes are counted.

YAY! Absentee it is!
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:50 PM
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3. I'm voting absentee
I usually do. This year I'm going to be out of the state on election day so I already have my ballot filled out. Just have to mail it!

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:52 PM
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5. It has a paper trail.
It will always have a paper trail, and you can track that paper trail with it's number to make sure it is counted.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:55 PM
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6. I honestly dont know what is best......
its been reported by reputable sources that absentee ballots are up to 5 times more likely NOT to be counted.
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:15 PM
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11. I hope you mean provisional ballots not absentee
If you send in your absentee ballot, please make sure you have enough postage. Go ahead and throw an extra stamp on it. I heard that the post office is throwing away these ballots if they don't have the right postage.. and they do NOT return to sender. Outrageous, isn't it?
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:57 PM
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19. No, it was absentee.,,,,
the story was on NPR this morning, but they dont have the transcript up, so I cant get you an source. Sorry.
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:02 PM
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8. Be very careful with the postage. In CA you could put a 39 cent stamp
and have your ballot returned for insufficient postage. Each county in CA has different rules. Some ballots are postage paid. Some say affix first class postage and some say affix enough postage.


I think I heard it takes 59 cents to mail it in if you need to pay postage.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:20 PM
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13. Another way to try and suppress the vote. Don't tell folks postage needed.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:04 PM
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10. I don't think there is any guarantee! I am a PAV
(permanent absentee voter) which means I vote in EVERY election and I have yet to receive my ballot in the mail!!

Normally, they are mailed out very early, around a month before the election. This is the first time this has happened.....it's very suspicious....

I called my County Registrar and she said they are late because "THEY GOT NEW MACHINES" she said if I don't get it by Friday to call back. I pushed her further and asked her to check on it....it took her about 30 seconds and she said they had been sent out and I should be getting it anytime. That was 2 days ago and I still haven't received it.

I caution anyone who doesn't receive their absentee ballot by Friday to call their County Registrar's office.

Also, I reported it to the Secretary of State using the phone number on the handbook, which I received without the ballot.
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:20 PM
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14. Not sure you're right. BUT ... I'm voting absentee & have a story
One argument I've heard against ABs is that they could easily be 'lost' if they're likely to be all Democratic.

I hate this. We laymen can't figure out a perfect voting system on our own. We expect the government to hire experts and do it. But when you don't trust government to do it, then nothing works, except maybe going back to Colonial voting methods.

Like geographers could easily draw up districts that make sense, but redistricting by corrupt politicians makes district boundaries crazy.

Anyway, here's my story. My job is taking me out of town on election day, so I have to vote absentee. I applied for my absentee ballot and got it and then -- I cringe to admit it -- I LOST it.

Personal organization is not my strong point. Or more succinctly: I'm an idiot.

It has been causing me great anxiety. "Old coot's slovenly filing system gives Santorum another term." I looked -- lifting up sofa cushions, riffling through library books, you know the lost-item drill -- for three days. Finally I called up the Board of Elections and they said they'd send me another one.

We'll see if I get it in time.

<Insert Emoticon for Chagrin and Embarassment here>



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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:48 PM
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16. Unless they get "misplaced"
Until after the election.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:52 PM
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17. The Diebold OptiScanners make short work of the absentee ballots.
I don't think there is a sure way to have your vote counted.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:15 PM
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18. I don't see why Whitewell would be any more likely to count
an absentee vote than a regular one. Things have been known to get lost in the mail, after all
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:21 AM
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21. Isn't Early Voting better?
We had a lot of problems in FL with Absentee Ballots in 2004. Many people had their absentee ballots tossed for numerous reasons and that was if they even got one in time.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:34 AM
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22. New problem! Thousands of new FL registrations failing ID checks!
http://news.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBWY94TDTE.html

This link was posted by rzemanfl yesterday on DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2889854

If They Miss 1 Number, Some Won't Get To Vote

By CATHERINE DOLINSKI The Tampa Tribune

Published: Oct 17, 2006

TALLAHASSEE - Mistaking a single number on a driver's license or reversing the month and day of a birth date could keep untold numbers of residents from registering to vote this year.

That's because, for the first time, the state is cross-checking applications from potential new voters against databases of driver's license and Social Security numbers.

Thousands of applications are failing the test.


The new process, a state response to changes in federal election law, applies only to first-time applicants. It does not affect registered Florida voters who update their existing registrations.

But some civic activists say that, with thousands of applicants failing that check and new identification rules for all voters at the polls, Florida is impeding the voting process.

"Even if one voter is being adversely affected by these barriers, it's one too many," Mary Wilson, national president of the League of Women Voters, said in Tallahassee earlier this month.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:04 AM
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25. This should be another reason to go to Early Voting
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 09:04 AM by DoYouEverWonder
at least you would find out if there is a problem with your registration and still have time to do something about it.

If you send in an absentee ballot and they reject it, you might not even find out.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:36 AM
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27. Yes, unless they are not letting folks have the option of a paper ballot.
Am not sure if a paper ballot option is required in all counties in Florida for early voting. Anyone?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:50 AM
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28. We've got optical scanners in Alachua County
So we get a paper ballot for EV and Election Day.

The big advantage with EV is that you have to do it in person. It's a lot harder for someone to steel you vote that way.

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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:47 AM
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23. and you can guarantee that the absentee ballots will be counted?
I think it's a mistake to think that voting absentee will count any more than a vote on the "machines" will.

The problem is more systemic than just voting absentee will overcome.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:02 PM
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30. The military and expat vote
was thrown into the garbage last time...
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:09 AM
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26. Douchebag
That is all.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:08 AM
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29. If no ballot is "safe", why endorse $$billions to Diebold by voting on
their machines? BOYCOTT the machines! (Diebold, meaning ALL voting machines and central tabulators run on private, secret, corporate software.)

It won't get us accurate vote counts this time--nothing can. But, if enough people vote by AB, they can't justify the machines, and all the bilions they've spent (right into the pockets of Bushite corporations) for this crapass, insecure, extremely insider hackable voting technology. They promised efficiency, and what do we get? Long lines because the machines 'broke down.' We can't even have efficient fascism. Jeez. And every time you vote on these machines, you give them your consumer opinion that it's OKAY!

That's my point. And I think that's the point of the millions of voters who have doubled, tripled, AB voting over the last several years, with dramatic increases recently. It is, 1) a PROTEST; 2) an expression of what they WANT--paper ballot, hand-counted; 3) flipoff to the rigged system--'damned if I'll vote on those machines!', and 4) an opinion on things as they are (the Bush Junta).

AGAIN, what if NOBODY WILL VOTE ON THEIR GODDAMNED MACHNES? It will at the least stir things up. Make 'em work harder on ways to manipulate and oppress us.

Come on, people! Get REBELLIOUS!

It's a toss-up, AB vote vs. Diebold vote, on the "safety" of the vote. Which one BEST expresses your opinion of the voting system? Which one--if we use it collectively, as a protest--has the potential to create a "vote of no confidence" on Diebold?

Voting for Diebold will not help get rid of Diebold. See what I mean?

When you vote on Diebold, you are casting two votes: one for your candidates/issues...and the other FOR Diebold!

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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:09 PM
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31. Absentee ballots can be thrown away quite easily.
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