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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 09:28 PM
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Santorum:"I have nothing, absolutely nothing against working women"
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 09:29 PM by dajoki
Santorum, Casey spar over foreign policy in final debate
PETER JACKSON and KIMBERLY HEFLING
Associated Press
http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/15774961.htm

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"I think this administration should make sure it listens to the military experts, something the Bush administration has not done very well in regards to Iraq," Casey said.

When pressed about what line would have to be crossed before he would vote to take military action against Iran or North Korea, Casey said he would have to rely on intelligence and military experts to make the decision.

"We cannot sit here tonight and draw a line," Casey said.

Santorum, the No. 3 Senate Republican, was more direct.

"If we are to believe that they are close to developing a nuclear weapon, I would do, I would strike, without question ... Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. This is not North Korea which I believe would use it more for defensive purposes."

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Santorum said Monday morning he was referring to wealthy families with two working parents - not those from low or middle-income brackets - when he suggested in his book that one parent should consider staying at home to spend more time with their children.

"I have nothing, absolutely nothing against working women," he said.
------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOT EXACTLY WHAT HE SAYS IN HIS BOOK
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 09:35 PM
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1. ",,,if we believe...I would strike without question."
I believe you're a fucking lunatic, mr santorum.

Without question?

Strike!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 09:38 PM
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2. With the Bush doctrine in play, who can blame any country for nuking up?
If you don't have 'em, you can be invaded and occupied with no causus belli. If you have 'em, maybe it's a deterent. Deluded self-righteousness has done in many countries. Why would anyone want to trigger a war with a billion people? Rick and his ilk have shown me that they can't be trusted with our country's future.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 09:47 PM
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3. Rick is a f**king nut!!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:32 PM
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10. Question is what women want to work with Santorum, he's like Foley
scum and needs to be booted from office.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 09:49 PM
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4. He's a real fucking psycho....
:crazy:
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:08 PM
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5. Casey-Santorum
Although I live in NY now I lived most of my life in Pa., and I have to tell you, if ricky wasn't so goofy we would lose this race. Casey is just not that good of a candidate. Watching the debate just now was just painful. There were so many opportunity's to make a good progressive case, but Casey just didn't seem able to pull the trigger. Now any Dem. is better in this case I wish Pa. could send a better man to the senate. Beside the fact that he is not pro choice and conservative on many issues, Casey just isn't up to historical standards. I just hope the progressives school him on the issues, as I think he will win. With people like the Montana gov. making a strong case for energy Independence we heard nothing encouraging tonight, even with Pa having a vast store of coal, and coal to gas tech that goes back to 1975. I know I helped built a gasification plant 30 years ago. That said I think ricky looked just terrible, so we win by default, which is better then nothing.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:14 PM
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9. Casey did...
talk about PA coal and technology in last debate.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:00 PM
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12. Yeah ...
I hate to say it, but Casey just never has come across to me as the brightest apple in the bushel, and frankly seems medicated ...

That being said, I think he is a decent honorable man ... You can see that, and it is something to work from ... I believe once he gets into office, he will lean further left ... A lot of the harder core lefties really wanted Pennachio, and the guy had spunk, but he would have gotten killed by Santorum because 1) he had ZERO money, and at the very least, Casey has brought enough money to the table to keep up somewhat with Santorum 2) Penny was high strung himself ... Sorry, but in PA, if you put a high strung liberal against a high strung conservative, it breaks conservative ...

Santorum is insane, and as you noted, it appear that enough Pennsylvanians have caught on to it, that as long as Casey does not do something stupid (he won't) and finds a way to ratchet it up just a tick (we hope) he should be OK ... Again, once he gets in office, I think he will veer left a little more, but either way, he will have done this state, this country a MAJOR service if he puts Santorum out to pasture ...
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:11 PM
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6. I would do, I would strike, without question
please remind me in which branch of the military that piece of shit served
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:13 PM
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7. Santurum is a whole lot of wrong in one convenient place:
"I have nothing, absolutely nothing against working women," he said.

Nothing against them except that he thinks that they are bad mothers. He doesn't get that it isn't a choice in most households, not really. That people work to provide for their families--women and men. That women and men are equally responsible for nurturing--one isn't more obliged to relinquish a career. And that some women may prefer working.

"If we are to believe that they are close to developing a nuclear weapon, I would do, I would strike, without question ..."

Without question is the problem, Sen Santorum--you wouldn't question it. You would. "Without question." And that's the kind of thing we can't do, with troops in Afghanistan, in Iraq, with possible trouble brewing in NK. What kind of strike--how many people...with what long term consequences? It shouldn't be a snap question, no matter how *strong* it sounds.

Santorum defended Rumsfeld saying, "He follows policy. He doesn't make policy."

He had a vision for transforming the US military, and it was nowhere near complete when the war on terror began. We went in lean and logistically bare-boned...in Iraq, he failed to hear out pretty much everybody who said it shouldn't be done that way. We had no after-plan in Iraq, and we aren't going to have an "after" for awhile--and you can't seem to tell Rumsfeld he's wrong. He doesn't hear that. This is a problem. A firing-level problem.


He's a friend of corporations, not a friend of labor. He's an environmental hazard. And in a state with a very high percentage of elderly, he wants to privatize social security--hey, Rick, way to represent PA. I am a constituent, I write letters to his office, and I get well-thought-out position form letters back as to why he supports the exact opposite of my point of view. (i.e.--your opinion is valuable, but you are wrong, constituent, because--what, "My vote's already paid for?") I have felt unrepresented for that reason.

We can't unelect him fast enough.

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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:13 AM
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11. A few weeks!!
:toast:
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:05 PM
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13. HERE, HERE ...
Talk to this lunatic about what is wrong with Iraq, and he says it is Iran ... So, basically, his plan for dealing with Iraq, which is a massive disaster, is to start a military confrontation with a country that would produce even worse problems ...

SS ... This slimy little FREAK somehow has managed to massage his SS talk to the point where he might actually con people into believing he isn't planning on destroying the program ...

He is the ULTIMATE chamelion, the ULTIMATE politico that will say and do anything to try to partition off a group of votes - and the MSM still does the he is a straight shooter who wears his heart on his sleeve meme ...
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:14 PM
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8. How mighty white of Mr. Santorum...
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