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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:37 PM
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CBS:"Opponents Aim To 'Swift Boat' Murtha"
Democrat John Murtha is one of Congress's most vocal opponents of the war in Iraq, but the former Marine's own war record is now coming under fire from a familiar source.
...
This weekend, they organized a "Boot Murtha" rally.

Murtha, ever the Marine rolled out some heavy political ground support of his own to take them on.

"Jack Murtha's critics don't know Jack," said fellow Vietnam vet and former Senator Bob Kerrey.

"This guy laid his life on the line for us and for our country, and we're not going to let any Swift Boaters, shrimp boaters or anybody else take out Jack Murtha," said another Vietnam vet and the former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/01/eveningnews/main2054343.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_2054343
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:40 PM
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1. Shrimp boaters
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:43 PM
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2. i saw that report and i saw his supporters, Murtha looks like he ready
for a fight but from the looks of it his opponent is going to get her clock cleaned.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:51 PM
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5. The temerity of those bastards is appalling
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 08:51 PM by TomInTib
I saw that clip and just could not believe how cocksure those pricks are. Just coming right out and saying that kind of crap.

Makes me want to go hunting.

And my ex's cousin, Bobby Jack Perry (cocksucker homebuilder from Houston) funds those fuckers.

on edit: I meant no offense to cocksuckers in general, just Bobby Jack.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 08:05 PM
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47. thank you for that clarification
:-)
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:23 PM
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9. If we have anything to do about it your right
www.VETSFORMURTHA.ORG
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Efilroft Sul Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:34 PM
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27. A few things about the rally and the race.
1. I've heard the pro-Murtha rally pulled twice the numbers as the Smear Boat Veterans' rally.
2. The husband of Diana Irey had ties to an arms dealer killed in Iraq.
3. Diana Irey herself was too close to a failed Republican Congressional candidate, Cody Knotts. Knotts has a shady background himself.
4. Murtha hired private detectives to investigate Irey and her close family and associates. Seems that Irey's candidacy became a lot quieter after word got out.

There is no way Murtha loses this race. The district is something like 65% Democratic. Irey's votes will come from the disaffected Kool Aid drinkers and those who think they have a chance of getting into her pants.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 05:01 PM
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34. About your first point
I saw an AP report that said there were about 2000 at the pro-Murtha rally. I know I saw reports, altho I don't remember the source, that said the "Boot Murtha" rally gathered less than 1000.

I also remember that, before the shrimp-boater actually met, they were bragging about attracting people from around the country. So seems likely to me that they weren't all local folks.
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KnaveRupe Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:38 PM
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54. Murtha CAN'T lose.
His district is HEAVILY gerrymandered,



And the citizens of the district love him. Unless he's been secretly IM-ing 16 year old pages, he's a lock.

The swift-boating is to discredit anti-war candidates in other races by discrediting Murtha OUTSIDE his district. Murtha lends credibility to the anti-war movement, even though he himself isn't anti-war. Murtha's always been hawkish, but he genuinely cares about the troops and the military and knows we can't "win" in Iraq, whatever "winning" would be.
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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 07:56 AM
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58. I THINK

Ithink "murtha" deserves a medal of valor for just standing up to the moral majority
administration which has proven they are really the bambozzled flock of the morally wrong .

VOTE DEMOCRAT IN NOVEMBER: BE ON A WINNING TEAM!
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:49 PM
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3. "Shrimp boaters," heh heh I love it!
From now on call the Swift Liars the Shrimp Boaters.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 03:42 PM
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32. You got your fried shrimp boaters, your boiled shrimp boaters, your
shrimp scampi boaters, your shrimp cocktail boaters...

Newsprism
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 05:39 PM
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36. I like my Shrimp Boaters on a Skewer...or on a stick.....
rotated slowly over an open fire for as long as it takes for them to turn a crispy brown!



Any questions?
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 08:51 PM
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53. God Hates Shrimp
Shrimp, crab, lobster, clams, mussels, all these are an abomination before the Lord, just as gays are an abomination. Why stop at protesting gay marriage? Bring all of God's law unto the heathens and the sodomites. We call upon all Christians to join the crusade against Long John Silver's and Red Lobster. Yea, even Popeye's shall be cleansed. The name of Bubba shall be anathema. We must stop the unbelievers from destroying the sanctity of our restaurants.

http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:50 PM
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4. Yeah, right...............I heard Murtha never even WENT to 'Nam..........
:evilgrin:

:patriot:
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:53 PM
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6. Did the FreeperLady with the Purple Heart band-aid
have the cajones to show up? Didn't think so...
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:56 PM
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7. Let these bastards try to Swift Boat Murtha.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:57 PM
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8. How bizarre that they didn't name General Clark.
"said another Vietnam vet and the former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO." :shrug:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:04 AM
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13. They couldn't attribute a great line to Clark......I mean, who does
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 12:08 AM by FrenchieCat
Wes thinks he is calling those Shrimp boaters, shrimp boaters? :shrug:

Oh...I forgot; the most highly decorated officer since Dwight Eisenhower!

Guess CBS stays on my very long media shit list! :eyes:

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:17 PM
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21. Mystery gets more mysterious.......Wes' name has been added
to his quote as of this morning! :wtf:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 02:09 PM
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30. reporter must've had a brain freeze.
It seems to happen to all our best.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 02:06 PM
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28. I noticed that too...
...and you're right, the word for that is simply "bizarre". I mean, if he were "just" another veteran, okay, maybe don't name him. But to go ahead and mention that he was the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, as a throwaway line, without naming him... just underlines how actively they work to promote a biased view.

Ah, well, nevertheless: he's given us a great line, let's use it: let's don't let those shrimp boaters get away with smearing Murtha or anyone else!
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:33 PM
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10. In 2004...
...these lying sacks of shit claimed they had no political motive. They said their goal wasn't to help Bush but to "expose" Kerry.

Looks like the only ones they've exposed is themselves.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:17 PM
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11. where was this support for Kerry?
jebus
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:51 PM
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12. That's what I was just wondering
The only way you can effectively deal with these people and not look like a whiner is through surrogates. I was very disappointed in Democrats in '04 who left Kerry high and dry.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:12 AM
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18. Clark was there for Kerry
I remember his defending Kerry's war record, the medals incident, and on and on. Max Cleland too. And of course, there were all of Kerry's swiftboat crewmates. I guess Kerry thought they would be enough. Well, to tell the truth, they should have been, if people weren't so stupid.

But I also remember Clark, at a Tacoma rally, suggeting that just maybe it was Bush's war record that deserved examination. The Kerry campaign stabbed him in the back on that one, issuing a statement afterwards that Clark's opinions were his own.



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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 07:54 PM
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44. the guys you mention did stand up for kerry
On the other hand I think you are mistaken with "The Kerry campaign stabbed him in the back" statement. The candidate should not be the one calling for an investigation.

Clark, Dean, Sharpton, and Cleland stuck up against the Swifties.

Many other democrats did not.

Hillary, Lieberman, and many other prominent Democrats said very little. In my opinion the real culprit was Terry McAuliffe, who was party chair and could have ordered a counter-attack.

Of course there was the whole Dan Rather affair---however that fits in to the whole thing


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 08:18 PM
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48. Clark and Cleland and sometimes Kerrey were excellent
Most other Democrats weren't. The crew were great.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:26 PM
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24. Kerry's people are organizing vet groups to defend candidates' from attack
Patriot Project and VetPac and Fighting Dems are all ready and able to stand down any attack on vets and their records.

They put what they learned about the swift operations to good use.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:54 PM
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33. "Kerry's people"?
Puh-lease.

Maybe in the sense that we were ALL "Kerry's people" once he won the nomination. We aren't any more.

Kerry had nothing to do with the Murtha Rally. Trust me.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 05:24 PM
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35. Patriot Project and other groups were organized with the help of Kerry's
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 05:35 PM by blm
people - why pretend they weren't? These groups are all working to protect and promote vet candidates.

Kerry, Clark and Clealnd have all been working to fund and promote these groups, and I and others here at DU have been promoting them since they began. Now you want Kerry exed out of it? Why?

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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:17 PM
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61. Which "other groups"?
Not the Fighting Dems you tried to claim. That was Eric Massa's brainchild. With mcuh of the legwork done by Clarkies who migrated to supporting Eric's campaign for NY-29.

Look, I'm sorry if I over-reacted. I know they (Kerry, Clark, Kerrey, Cleland etc) re all working toward the same end, and it's kind of stupid if we can't remember that we should be too. But our collaboration would go a lot easier if you Kerry folks could quit pretending that Democratic politics begin and end with Kerry. They don't. There are a LOT of other people doing as much or, in many instances, more.

There are also many who were "Vets for Kerry" in '04 who won't be there for him next time. You can't just assume Kerry has any kind of a lock on the veterans vote anymore, and label us all "Kerry's people." Has Kerry given or helped raise money for some of the groups, yeah sure. And it's a wonderful thing that he did. But that doesn't make those groups "Kerry's people" either, even the one that morphed out of the old "Vets for Kerry" group (I forget which one that was). I would never presume to call them "Clark's people" just because Clark has helped the groups raise money too.

Kerry did not participate in this rally. He wasn't part of it. His staff didn't help organize it. I guess I felt it was sort of rude for you to try to insert him into it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:13 AM
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62. You think I and others support Kerry only because he's a VET WAR HERO?
Edited on Wed Oct-04-06 10:15 AM by blm
You couldn't be more wrong. It's an added aspect to who he is - and I appreciate that others can cling to that part of who he is, but what he did in Vietnam and afterwards, PALES to what he did as an ANTI-CORRUPTION, OPEN GOVERNMENT Democratic lawmaker.

We don't HAVE to insert ourselves into vet groups, Kerry is part of them, many of the people involved in these various groups came there through their support for Kerry and veterans' issues over the MANY years. This just didn't happen overnight. But some groups are filling a void that the Dem PARTY never bothered with - and that is why we are all involved in closing that void these past couple of years. Kerry used to rely on himself to do that - but the media being the way it is now, everything has to be bigger.

WE support these groups financially and by promoting the organizations because we believe in what they're fighting for - - but, my main cause is opening the books on BushInc. and getting a good governance president in office.

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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:21 PM
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63. I think you entirely misread what I wrote
I really can't imagine where you get the idea in your subject line. Nothing could be further from the truth. If anything, I think too many Kerry supporters don't appreciate his war hero status and what it means as fully as they should. Not you, blm, but others I've talked to.

Is it possible you are reacting to a perception that we Clarkies only support him because of his military record? I think you know better.

I also said nothing about you (Kerry supporters) inserting yourselves into vet groups. For one thing, you'd be welcome. For two, I recognize, and think I said so, that Kerry was instrumental in starting at least one of the vet groups, and has assisted others, so his supporters certainly have a home in any of them. What I was annoyed with was inserting Kerry into this thread, which was about a specific rally which Kerry chose not to attend (for whatever reasons), and especially because you wrote it as tho it was ONLY "Kerry's people" who were behind the organizations involved.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:47 PM
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66. You'd be wrong - I posted it because while others were free to be there
that day, Kerry's presence was still there and I was keeping it as part of the OVERALL Dem effort for vets - just as I always do.

You rarely see a thread about vet efforts where I don't group Clark, Cleland and Kerry together. If one is already represented in the thread, then I add the missing name, because I do recognize them as a FORCE.

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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 02:38 PM
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68. Well, I miss the relevance
And I don't see what I'd be wrong about. There is NOTHING in anything I wrote about supporting Kerry solely for being a war hero. You really pulled that one out of thin air.

My only points are these: You replied to a post asking, "where was this support for Kerry?" And you answered it by saying "Kerry's people" were behind all these organizations, to include the Fighting Dems which Eric started up, based on the lessons learned from the swiftboating.

Maybe you were just thinking Kerry derserved to be grouped with Clark and Cleland, even tho he wasn't in attendence. That's debatable, but even if it's true, it sure didn't appear to be the case from what you originally wrote. If looked much more like you were trying to claim Kerry, or his people, were behind all of it.

Oh, and could you please point me to a thread about Kerry where you inserted Clark's name along side? Thanks.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 06:41 PM
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43. I repeat - Why are you pretending that Kerry and his people are not part
of these veterans' groups who have been organized to fight attacks on vets?

I am really curious why it is important to you to put out that impression.

I have always stated that Cleland, Clark and Kerry have been working their butts off to push these organizations, but YOU are claiming Kerry has no part in it, even though many of us have put up articles regarding Kerry's work with these groups since they first appeared.

So - WHAT is your actual purpose in promoting something against Kerry that is demonstrably false?
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 08:04 PM
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46. We are all in this battle together:
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=249090

John Kerry Speaks on Senate Floor, Responds To Sickening Attacks on Decorated Veteran Rep. Jack Murtha

Today Senator John Kerry spoke on the floor of the U.S. Senate. Kerry responded to Republican attacks on Congressman Jack Murtha.

Below are Senator Kerrys remarks, as prepared:
Mr. President, yesterday, Jack Murtha, a respected congressman on military matters, and former Marine Drill Sergeant and decorated Vietnam veteran, spoke out on our policy in Iraq. He didnt come to that moment lightly. He spoke his mind and spoke his heart out of love for his country and support for our troops. I am not going to stand for a swift boat attack strategy against Jack Murtha.
It disgusts me that a bunch of guys who have never put on the uniform of their country venomously turn their guns on a marine who served his country heroically in Vietnam and has been serving heroically in Congress ever since.
No matter what J.D. Hayworth says, there is no sterner stuff than the backbone and courage that defines Jack Murthas character and conscience.
Dennis Hastert - the Speaker of the House who never served - called Jack Murtha a coward and accused him of wanting to cut and run. Well let me tell you, Jack Murtha wasnt a coward when he put himself in harms way for his country in Vietnam and earned two purple hearts - he was a patriot then, and he is a patriot today. Jack Murtha didnt cut and run when his courage in combat earned him a Bronze Star, and his voice should be heard, not silenced by those who still today cut and run from the truth.
Just a day after Dick Cheney, who had 5 deferments from Vietnam, accused Democrats of being unpatriotic -the White House accused Jack Murtha of surrendering. Jack Murtha served 37 years in the Marine Corps. He doesnt know how to surrender - not to enemy combatants, and not to politicians in Washington who say speaking his conscience is unpatriotic.
Robert Kennedy once said, The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. Chuck Hagel showed he hasnt forgotten that when he said, The Bush administration must understand that each American has a right to question our policies in Iraq and should not be demonized for disagreeing with them. But too many in the Republican Party forgot that long ago. They forgot that asking tough questions isnt pessimism; its patriotism.
Weve seen the politics of fear and smear too many times. Whenever challenged, Republican leaders engage in the politics of personal destruction rather than debate the issues. It doesnt matter who you are. When they did it to John McCain, we saw it doesnt matter what political party youre in. When they did it to Max Cleland, we saw it doesnt matter if your service put you in a wheelchair. And when they did it to Jack Murtha yesterday, perhaps the most respected voice on military matters in all of Congress, we saw that this administration will go to any lengths to crush any dissent.
Once again, theyre engaged in the lowest form of smear and fear politics because theyre afraid of actually debating a senior congressman who has advised presidents of both parties on how to best defend our country. Theyre afraid to debate a decorated veteran who lives and breathes the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor. Theyre terrified of actually leveling with the American people about the way they misled America into war, and admitting they have no clear plan to finish the job and get our troops home. Whether you agree with Jack Murthas policy or not is irrelevant.
The truth is there is a better course for our troops and for America in Iraq and I am going to keep fighting until we take that course for the good of our country.
American families who have lost, or who fear the loss, of their loved ones deserve to know the truth about what we have asked them to do, what we are doing to complete the mission, and what we are doing to prevent our forces from being trapped in an endless quagmire. Our military families understand that open debate about whats going on in Iraq doesnt put our troops at risk; its the only way to get it right in Iraq so we can get their sons and daughters home.
I think all of us should be mindful, as the White House yet again engages in character assassination to prevent Americans from listening to the words of military experts, of the consequences we have already endured from the failure to listen.
When the administration could have listened to General Shinseki and put in enough troops to maintain order, they chose not to. When they could have learned from George Herbert Walker Bush and built a genuine global coalition, they chose not to. When they could have implemented a detailed State Department plan for reconstructing post-Saddam Iraq, they chose not to.
When they could have protected American forces by guarding Saddam Husseins ammo dumps where there were weapons of individual destruction, they exposed our young men and women to the ammo that now maims and kills them because they chose not to act. When they could have imposed immediate order and structure in Baghdad after the fall of Saddam, Rumsfeld shrugged his shoulders, said Baghdad was safer than Washington, D.C. and chose not to act. When the Administration could have kept an Iraqi army selectively intact, they chose not to. When they could have kept an entire civil structure functioning to deliver basic services to Iraqi citizens, they chose not to.
When they could have accepted the offers of the United Nations and individual countries to provide on the ground peacekeepers and reconstruction assistance, they chose not to. When they should have leveled with the American people that the insurgency had grown, they chose not to. Vice President Cheney even absurdly claimed that the insurgency was in its last throes.
And now, after all these mistakes, who is the administration to accuse anyone of wanting to cut and run. We are in trouble today precisely because of a policy of cut and run. This administration made the wrong choice to cut and run from sound intelligence and good diplomacy; to cut and run from the best military advice; to cut and run from sensible war time planning; to cut and run from their responsibility to properly arm and protect our troops; to cut and run from historys lessons about the Middle East; to cut and run from common sense. That is the debate they are afraid to have in our country. Shame on them.
Instead of letting his cronies run their mouths, the President should finally find the courage to debate the real issue instead of destroying anyone who speaks truth to power as they see it. Its time for Americans to stand up, fight back, and make it clear its unacceptable to do this to any leader of any party anywhere in our country.
And I hope my colleagues will come down to this floor and debate the issue on its merits, instead of attacking the character of a man like Jack Murtha, because believe me - thats a fight nobodys going to win in our America.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #43
67. you tell um BLM! If a "picture is worth 1000 words what are 3 pics worth?




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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #43
70. In case it need to be said
I never ONCE said or implied that Kerry has not been involved with the vets groups. In fact, I readily acknowledge the exact opposite. I was talking about this particular rally.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #33
49. True - Kerry has supported Murtha in many other times, but not here
Kerry friends are behind Patriots group, which has been pretty good. This seems to have been the group Clark headed (or at least is a force in).
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 07:48 AM
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57. As an elected official, Kerry CANNOT be attached formally to a 527.
That his friends and supporters believe strongly that vets SHOULD be organized to defend other vets, should be a welcome situation, not a means to attack Kerry, just because he is not allowed by law to be attached to the group formally.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #57
64. Murtha is an elected official, so I doubt that was at issue n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:35 PM
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65. Murtha isn't attached to the 527s formally. It's against the law.
And the point is that Clark CAN be formally with a 527 at this point in time because he is not an elected official. That formal aspect shouldn't diminish what we all KNOW to be thr truth - that ALL of these men have been working together within and outside these vet groups since they started.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #65
69. Again, how is that relevant?
I don't think any of the groups involved here are 527s. VetPAC would be a PAC, right? Obviously elected officials can formally associate with PACs. Patriot Project is a 501(c) non-profit, iirc, but you can correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think the Fighting Dems are a reportable organization at all, altho I could be wrong about that too. Last I heard, they were functioning as a subset of the DNC. But if they are a separate organization, it ain't a 527 for sure. IAVA (recently renamed VoteVets) isn't a 527 either, altho I don't think they participated in this rally.

Point is, the post you responded to was talking about Kerry being at the rally, as if that explained why he couldn't participate.

Clark is not associated with any 527 afaik.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #69
71. No - my point was that Kerry's people participate in these rallies even
when he is unable to attend. I feel the same way about MY participation as someone who sends these groups donations.,

Why on earth you would find that offensive is a mystery.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:08 AM
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17. You got that right!!!!
:grr:
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #10
20. Bingo!
Spread it wide, spread it far.
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 06:17 PM
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41. Republicans exposed!
Boy, are rethugs great at exposing themselves. Check Rove, Foly, et al. They'd whip it out to anybody who'll vote for them. :evilgrin:
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:40 AM
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14. I was there and we had Jack's back!
Ed Rendell, Wes Clark, Bob Kerrey, Max Cleland - they were all great! Met some amazing and brave people there. Parents with buttons of their kids who are serving . . . or were. I'm no photographer, but I got a few good ones:

















This is a WWII vet we met, a man named Joe, standing in the rain to support John Murtha.








It was an honor to be there. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. Very cool! Thanks a million!
:patriot:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:33 PM
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26. Great pics - thanks for sharing. Everyone looks great.
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 01:33 PM by blm
But, Bob Kerrey looks a bit frail - has he been ill, or is that just a bad angle?
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:57 AM
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15. Here's a great pic of Murtha, Kerrey, and Clark together at the event.


"This guy laid his life on the line for us and for our country, and we're not going to let any Swift Boaters, shrimp boaters or anybody else take out Jack Murtha," said another Vietnam vet and the former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. Shit.....a Boat full of REAL Patriots is what I see!
Let the "shrimp Boaters" beware! :mad:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:17 AM
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19. John Murtha is NOT John Kerry. Murtha has already pre-empted...
these chickenhawk draft dodging right winger scumbags.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:21 PM
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23. Kerry's people organized groups/projects to prevent it from happening
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 01:23 PM by blm
to ANY vet.

Maybe if Murtha WERE more like Kerry, he would have organized a group in 2004 against the swifts.

I really think your remark is not reflective of what's actually happening.
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CGrantt57 Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:27 PM
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25. Only one thing to say to the Swift boaters...
Fuck you, you fucking fucks!!!

(It's a New Yawk thing.)

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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 02:08 PM
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29. The Shrimp Boaters
just need a good ass kicking. With pain comes awareness. The people funding them could use a little smearing too. Find out who they are and let them know they've been discovered.
We are up against the Big Money that wants cheap labor by any means necessary. They must be cut down to size by any means necessary. These scumbags need to be taught a lesson they'll never forget.

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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 03:34 PM
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31. Kerry should have
taken care of O'Neill 40 years ago. Read into "taken care" what you will.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #31
37. This really shouldn't be about John Kerry.....it should be about
these terrible unpatriotic bankrupted shrimps and the wonderful result that this rally was compared to the "Shrimpies"!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #31
38. People like O'neill are only being USED. ANY Democrat opposing Bush would
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 06:07 PM by blm
have been targeted with some lie that could be constructed against them - even Jesus Christ would've gotten the business end of BushInc. Prophets and Preachers against liberals claiming to be the messiah.

It's EXPOSING the entire operation behind these groups that will make them shrivel up eventually.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #31
51. Exactly what more could Kerry have done 40 years ago.
Kerry outclassed O'Neil by a huge margin - Kerry swayed people to his side. O'Neil completely failed to do what Nixon wanted - which was to counter Kerry.

O'Neil without 26 million of paid and 100s of millions in free coverage could never have attacked John Kerry. Kerry's speech in 1971 was seen by millions and affected many people's view of the war. Consider Kerry was asked to report on what was said at the Winter Soldier hearing. That type of testimony is common - and leads to the people critisising the "bad apples". Kerry summarized that in a sentence or 2, then spoke about the poor leadership, the mistaken goal and ended with a call for America to "turn" away from this type of Foreign policy. This is the root of the attacks.

On April 22, 2006 Kerry asserted that he was right to dissent in 1971 and he is right to do so now.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 05:55 PM
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39. What a sick, filthy group....
Recommended! The word need to go out.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 05:56 PM
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40. John O'Neil is a pathetic looser
The main guy of the Swifties is O'Neil. Instead of living a productive and happy life he has spent it stalking Kerry and tearing him down. Ever since Kerry embarassed him on Cavette.
But, since Kerry doesn't run every year the pathetic looser has to have something to do. So, he goes around tearing apart his fellow vets who happen to be democrats.
This guy has spent a lifetime on a grudge and this is the way he lives it. He's sick, emotionally unhinged and pathetic.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 06:34 PM
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42. A friend just sent me a 3 page article from NYT accusing murtha of corrupt
corruption, of being the "pork" buyer and seller in congress. did you guys see it?
here's a link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/02/washington/02murtha.html?ex=1160452800&en=2d0c32bbd5611471&ei=5070&emc=eta1
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 08:01 PM
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45. Sounds like an excellent Rally.
The important thing is to stick together against these thugs.
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terry4kerry Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 08:37 PM
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50. swift bloaters
My only reply is that the Swift bloaters behavior is trully disgusting. And.. don't you think bloaters is an appropriate description?
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 08:48 PM
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52. They just tried on Hannity & Colmes with a 26-year-old ABSCAM tape
where Murtha was offered a bribe and said he wasn't interested, but then added, "at this time."

This segment followed one on Foley where Hannity and Michael Reagan discussed how this is just "Democrat politics," timing this right before an election.

Colmes asked the guy with the ABSCAM tape whether he was timing this to coincide with the election, and whether he would have obtained this tape if Murtha hadn't been speaking against Bush on the war. Of course he never really answered.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. 26 years ago? So this would be round the time that George Bush
was standing up upside down in the corner of a bar snorting white powder, hey?
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KnaveRupe Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 07:33 AM
Response to Reply #55
56. And around the time when male prostitutes were receiving
After-hours tours of the White House, including the residence.

For what, who knows?

But clearly, if videotape of Murtha REFUSING a bribe is all the republicans can muster, then they are hurting even wore than we thought.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 08:28 AM
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59. oh no! Not the SHRIMP BOATERS! man the cocktail sauce guns!

lol. what a joke.
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drone Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:34 AM
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60. They should think
The shrimp boaters should consider how much blood from dead bodies may be staining their hands since the last election.
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