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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:34 PM
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ABC: "Massive metastasizing scandal" They knew for five years.
Foley asked the pages to measure their dicks.

Brian Ross: "Foley could end up being prosecuted under laws he helped to enact."

Republicans in "damage control mode."
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:35 PM
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1. "measure their dicks"?
oh my!!!

bwahahahahahahahahaha
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:38 PM
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3. Yeah, that was new news.
ABC didn't say "dick." I think they said "Organ."
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:57 PM
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10. What word did Foley use? Inquiring minds want to know.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 06:10 PM
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13. Well..............he didn't use "organ". (kestrel snickering)
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:46 PM
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18. NO "snickering" HERE..I JUST SPIT MY COFFEE ON KEYBOARD!!
THANKS ALOT..!!!

fly :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :rofl:
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:57 PM
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22. Foley called it the
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 08:59 PM by tblue37
"one-eyed snake."

That was during an email exchange when he was chattting up a boy about masturbating online. He told him to "grab the one-eyed snake," to measure it, and to amke sure his mother didn't find out what they were doing.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:28 PM
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46. Seven and a half inches said the young boy!
Young boy: My mother is calling me, but don't worry she dosen't know dick shit about computers.

Foley: That's cool.
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:46 AM
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74. The boy's mother...
should bring charges against this pedofilly scumbag...Republicans: the party of corruption, perversion and fear!
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:29 PM
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17. He wanted to measure their balls, to see if they were small enough to
qualify them for membership into the Republican party.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:46 PM
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30. How do we know he wasn't just measuring them for a brand new
catcher's mitt?

Newsprism
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:21 AM
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58. Does That Mean * Will Have To Measure Cheney?......nt
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:08 AM
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71. Heres the List of REPUBLIVERTS:
Here is the list....

* Republican "child protection advocate" Rep. Mark Foley..accused sexual predator of Congressional Pages,
at large, checking into rehab.


* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

* Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

* Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 07:26 PM
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82. Bookmarked this thread - for this particular post, alone! BRAVO!
Where'd this come from?

BTW - here's my take, and in it, I borrowed from another DUer here - "GOP = Guard Our Perverts":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... - for your consideration.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 07:35 PM
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84. Calimary..
I bookmarked it the day I saw it!

another DU'er posted it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"GOP = Guard Our Perverts"

Brilliant!

:toast:
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #71
85. holy cow! that's unbelievable! the party of family values, eh!!!!
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TheGriz Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #71
89. Is there a list of Democrats?
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #89
90. Democratic "sex scandals" tend to involve...
consenting adults. The GOP is the party of sexual repression, which attracts the truly perverted.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:36 PM
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2. K & R!
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:39 PM
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4. link?
Was this on TV or on their website?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:40 PM
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6. TV.
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:41 PM
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7. thanks, I'll be on the lookout for new reports.
good catch, aquart.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:39 PM
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5. Time to CLEARCUT the republicans out of congress
Anybody that votes GOP supports child molesters AND their enablers.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:50 PM
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9. Clearcut the psychopaths
And yes I do HATE psychopaths.I don't care that their brains are different,but I DO care they abuse people. Bullies psychopaths child abusers,they are NOT to be tolerated or trusted around human beings.
If you do not like the idea that psychopaths are dangerous cannot be cured see nothing wrong with their own abusive ways and you think these people can reform or deserve pity you are and will be ENABLING THEM.

Sometimes you DO have to say ENOUGH.AND ACT ON IT and go against a bully. And it has been far too long as a culture that we have let psychopaths in high and in low places,GET AWAY WITH their BAD conduct. the bullies the abusers the authoritarians, molesters and psychopaths have had too much tolerance in our culture for their intolerable cruel behavior and their sadism and parasitic predatory ways they hurt people.They try to set up the law,the way people interact,the financial sector ANYTHING to favor their kind, it's time we say NO MORE.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 06:09 PM
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12. Good for you. Do you think the Psychopaths wrap themselves in the flag?
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 06:10 PM by TwentyFive
How do you explain these psychopaths getting into positions of authority?

I have no doubt that
Rove
Hastert
Gingrich
DeLay
Foley
Frist
Cheney
Rumsfeld
Bush
Limbaugh
Robertson
Falwell

...are textbook definitions of psychopaths. The world would be much better off if all the above people were isolated in maximum security lockdown. Fewer people would suffer, die and be humiliated.

The really unfortunate are the ones who see this, but suffer because the blind fall for their scams and then vote them into power.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:02 PM
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15. Psychopaths gravitate to power.
They want it more than anyone else.
They like domination. So they disrupt group dynamics and suck the right ass and get themselves into authoritative positions where they can act out and hide.By looking upstanding,normal,competent,and they use the old boy network,exploiting "underlings", bullying and manipulation to get ahead and rise up until THEY are the authority.Than they are the petty tyrant.That nobody challenges but everyone hates..That is how psychopaths get into power and why they want power, it's for the power itself the authority itself,THey don't care about legitimacy they just want to be in control and dominate.
Psychopaths gravitate where they can control and get away with abuse the easiest they deliberately seek to create or build a culture of obedience and intimidation around themselves made of of enablers that will TOLERATE their misconduct and cover it up or minimize it for the psychopath's sake.

It's not too much different from abusive family dynamics where the drunk wife beater that bullies his wife,goads her into calling his boss for him and she telling the boss he is sick..he can't work..But they BOTH know it's because he has a hangover and was out late.

After all how many people in the whitehouse KNEW whom was the pedophile and the psychopaths but FAILED to out them? felt too intimidated or were blackmailed by the psychopaths?And instead are MAKING EXCUSES for these degenerates?? LOok at the pattern of abuse and how the dynamics work,it's there all over politics and corporate society. And it is SICK!..SICK SICK!

Abuse dynamics makes our entire culture sick.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:12 PM
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16. The Flag?
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 08:31 PM by undergroundpanther
Hell yes they'll wrap themselves in a flag, a cross, a moon and star,a pentagram,a 'joke', the "victim"' role,the'caretaker' role,they'll wrap themselves up in pig shit if it's what will get them into better positions of power and gets them more authority over people and more social 'clout'so they get more unearned trust and plausible deni-ability. They will do ANYTHING to be in CONTROL of others lives and futures as much as possible,parasite off others achievements, kindness or love,, and psychopaths abuse people,hurt people,exploit people,sexually exploit people ,manipulate people's consent,bully people ,play games with group dynamics like gas lighting,and intimidation,and they do their evil hearted best to get away with it.

Psychopaths want to hurt people, oppress them, dominate,control,use,lie, and be sadistic,to exploit them.

You cannot negotiate with a psychopath.

You cannot reason with psychopaths or authoritarian personalities.
You cannot live around them either,they'll hurt you,con you,intimidate you,harass,exploit,set you up, and destroy you and they destroy families and organizations too .You cannot treat them like they are non psychopaths and expect them to be civil or fair they will not..do it.They will exploit trust,and abuse power,ands lie..They do not have a CONSCIENCE,the very thing inside us that is our inner cop, that conscience inside us is what in the face of temptations,says out of empathy for the weaker,do not take advantage of 16 year old interns,it is wrong and sick to seek out young vulnerable people when you are old enough to be his own father.


Psychopaths and authoritarian personalities are because of their personality INCOMPATIBLE with the more noble human traits of merit,creativity,freedom of expression,honesty,trust,telling the truth,our freedom,fair justice,equality,democracy,peace,kindness or even simple compassion and they are who make living in society itself with bodily,emotional,or sexual safety impossible.

Psychopaths abuse people.
They do not feel guilt remorse ,shame or see anything WRONG with the way they treat others, they have NO CONSCIENCE so there is no way to change them,First prerequisite to change is to feel there is something WRONG. Psychopaths do not think ANYTHING is wrong with THEMSELVES. IT's everyone else's fault.

Psychopaths and authoritarian personalities cannot be trusted with freedom they abuse it,and they must be kept away from positions of power and authority,Eventually they will act out so they\'ll have to be locked up,and babysat by armed guards for the rest of their lives, so they don't hurt anyone,rob,abuse or kill.

It isn't that I hate their souls for being so fucked up,it's the problems they cause in OTHERS lives who are NOT like them that makes the psychopath not tolerable to exist near non psychopaths..I don't care what goes on inside someones head,..But when they act it out on others and hurt others and set up themselves in positions of authority or power in our society so they can harm others,foment hate,scapegoating,bigotry, abuse and get away with it,that is what I hate psychopaths for.For their effects on non psychopaths and for making victims,chumps,and marks out of us.And the DAMAGE done the lives,the lives not lived,people crippled by trauma,millions denied a chance to be who they are, humanity has been denied so much in this world the things that could be because a psychopath was who controlled the state,the purse,the institution,the corporation, or the very homes where people grew up or where people live..
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Bookmarking
I'm going to research this. thanks
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:04 PM
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24. Was the Finder's Case another example of a case they swept under the rug?
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 09:06 PM by EVDebs
http://indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/17342/index.ph...

"""Could our own government have something to do with this Finders organization and turned their backs on these children? That's what all the evidence points to," says Lewis. "And there is a lot of evidence. I can tell you this: We've got a lot of people scrambling, and that wouldn't be happening if there was nothing here." Perhaps. But the Finders say there is nothing there - at least nothing illegal.""

BTW, with "media" involvement, this also tends to show why the media doesn't take an interest...
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:25 PM
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26. There are TONS of things swept under the rugs.
The Pentagon and many corporations and institutions are I think NESTS of psychopaths and their hierarchies of enablers who do as they are told and never ask questions are who insulate these thugs from US . Why all the secrecy?
http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/Sekhmet....


Because of the unspeakable crimes committed by these"institutions" under the pretense of "national security" and the black budget that funds all this psychopathic abuses and diabolical inventions by corporate contract to kill and destroy or steal resources from humanity and render the world subjected,controlled and shattered...and captured by the most powerful psychopaths.THe truth would mean the end of the scam of their "dream" of their decadent,sick, rule over humanity.Humanity better realize we are not all the same. Some of us have no Conscience and therefore cannot be allowed to be treated as one of us.Anton Lavey of the Church of Satan discribed the best way to use secrecy, is to tolerate talk about the acts that are so unbelievable sounding, so huge, and so over the top crazy, that no one dares think it is the truth,for fear of being called a 'paranoid' and so nobody treats the crimes like it is the truth and no one investigates it and gets the perpetrators..for fear of ridicule..

http://www.unknownnews.net/031126a-up.html
http://www.unknownnews.net/031208a-up.html
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #24
33. Taiwan?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:34 AM
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70. "Competitor intelligence", as in snooping for corporate clients
Hmmm. Kinda reminds me of the HP situation at present. In any case, if this group acts domestically within the US or has access to the new database being created offshore (see Global Informnation Group, located in the Bahamas under Ben H. Bell, III ) and this thing metastesizes into the TIA project.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #21
39. Don't worry about bookmarking
Republican congressmen don't use bookmarks, they prefer their pages bent over.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #16
25. I worked with a psychopath/authoritarian
I quit. Best job-change decision I've ever made.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. You could have outed the fucker
Maybe.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:53 PM
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32. Deleted message
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. Queerness
Is not what makes a person a psychopath.
I am Transgender and I am NOT a psychopath,I have been seriously psychologically injured by psychopaths. I have PSTD.




Gay/queer people who are just Queer,are not dangerous people.Queers are NOT a danger to kids or anyone else, unless they are psychopaths first.
Psychopathy is the real danger here.

Not a persons sexual preferences or gender identity .

There are psychopaths who may be gay,or who are straight,or bi or anything else,Psychopaths are all are sadistic assholes,including the psychopaths in the whitehouse who desire to hurt little boys and teenagers for kicks and power trips,they are no different than a rapist who uses sex as a weapon..

Please do not assume and spread the lie all gay people and Queers are like the criminal thugs in the GOP sexually abusing kids and teens.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #35
48. Exactly. Thank you.
Foley sounds like a garden variety pedophile, anyway, not a psycho. It doesn't help anything to call him something he's not. What he is is dangerous enough.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. A pedophile
seduces kids because he can control them and crush them and ruin their lives ,sexuality and innocence. To me to be a pedophile they are already a psychopath,their empathy is dead if they molest or rape a child as far as I am concerned..The damage pedophilia does to the child never heals.It hasn't healed for me after 20 plus years of therapy.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #35
86. I got no problem with Barney Frank, my problem is with Hastert
Hastert runs to Gonzo to quell and control the heat.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #32
41. did you take a wrong exit off the turnpike?
a little news for you.

there are a LOT of "queers" on this website. and we make no apologies.

trying to paint with such a broad brush usually causes one to get paint on themselves.

do you have feelings that you are uncomfortable with?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #32
52. wow..
your statement is rather hateful. "queer" in the context you place it sounds just like a repuke would say it. only gays can use queer because they won't be using it in the context you just did. Yes, there are several closeted gays in the bush administration, mehlman reportedly being one, but you almost twist the point that gay means child molester because of your choice of wording in saying "Far be it for me to say but some of those guys around Bush and Chaney look dam queer to me."


sheesh... please respect that the people on this board who happen to be gay are totally offended by your tone.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #32
60. Plenty of (ahem!) "queer" guys are bad asses...
You might want to keep that in mind.
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12string Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #16
61. Psychopaths and Authoritarian Personalities
Let us not forget,especially in this age of Big Brother,how
many hide behind a badge and law enforcement role.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #5
44. Yes, we are safe, Monica was 19...no longer a child
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 11:08 PM by fuzzyball
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. Monica was 21.
Watch that fuzzy math.

Or do you believe that a 21 year old is incapable of making an informed decision? Such as voting, or signing contracts, or having sex?
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:07 AM
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55. even better....21 is good enough for me
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 12:09 AM by fuzzyball
Its been so long I have forgotten all the pertinent details.

By the way what is Monica upto these days? I have'nt seen
much of her in the mass-media.
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 07:01 AM
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66. last i heard she was designing purses
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:20 AM
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72. or getting killed serving in Iraq? nt
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 07:12 PM
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81. She was twenty four!
A young adult by anyone's standards, I would think. I've seen a lot of references to her age lately as being younger than it actually was. But she really was twenty four.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:45 PM
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8. found earlier ABC online
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #8
40. That is a link to the information in the topic? I can't see it.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:58 PM
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11. poetic justice
that is all
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 06:12 PM
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14. They warned the Republican pages but not the Democratic ones.
A#$holes.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:47 PM
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19. Dick measurement talk is only allowed in the lounge.
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 08:47 PM by Bleachers7
:woohoo:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:05 AM
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53. I knew there was a reason I never ventured there...
ever. LOL..


gotta love the loungers.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:48 PM
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20. Not that I doubt it's true, but ABC is hardly a credible news source.
However, if it is all true, I think it's justice served that he would serve time due to his own legislation.

Somehow makes the torture bill a teensy, weensy bit easier to take.

Now, back to focusing on election fraud so they don't steal it again.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:51 PM
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42. I read the IM transcript. They don't limit themselves to
talk of measuring, lol. You should read the part about how to use a towel.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:01 PM
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23. TPM cites a page in the 2001-2002 class re: warnings by a Pub staffer
A Republican staff member warned congressional pages five years ago to watch out for Congressman Mark Foley, according to a former page.

Matthew Loraditch, a page in the 2001-2002 class, told ABC News he and other pages were warned about Foley by a supervisor in the House Clerk's office.

Loraditch, the president of the Page Alumni Association, said the pages were told "don't get too wrapped up in him being too nice to you and all that kind of stuff."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:41 PM
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28. A bunch of links about psychopathy
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 09:46 PM by undergroundpanther
http://www.bullyonline.org /
http://www.hare.org/links/saturday.html
http://psychological.com/april_01_newsletter.htm
http://www.911-strike.com/psychopaths.htm
http://www.guilford.com/cgi-bin/cartscript.cgi?page=pr/...
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s1158704.h...
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0218-01.htm
http://www.psychohistory.com /

An example of misplaced pity and rationalizations of psychopathic behaviors.Baically enabiling by a "psychologist"..Many people get unbearably lonely and they do not abuse people because of it.This is one example of the rationalizations people do,in the face of something so malignant as a psychopath,blame it on lonliness rather than face the fact psychopaths are cruel souless and really are not like us.Deniasl runs deep and it can blind anyone even the people you THINK should see through the dynamics.
http://www.priory.com/psych/socio.htm

More educational links..

http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine06302004.html
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/conover01.htm
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/undergroundpa...
http://www.unknownnews.net/031126a-up.html
http://www.unknownnews.net/031208a-up.html
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:41 PM
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29. Let's see, the Repugs are the party of....
Racism, homophobia, sexism, xenophobia, greed, war, Constitution-shredding, fiscal irresponsibility, merging church and state, corruption...and now pedophilia and pedophilia cover-ups. No wonder they keep getting re-elected. :sarcasm:
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:16 PM
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37. They have alot
of sympathizers(psychopaths in the general population) and enablers(victims of psychopaths who don't see through the sick social dynamics and abuse cycles these psychopaths use to elicit public pity and extract unearned trust from people they will con into supporting, excusing or enabling a psychopath to power)
Too many people are NOT AWARE of abuse dynamics,how power is misused in organizations by authoritarian and psychopath personalities and too many people do not know how to have firm clear personal boundaries and defend themselves or others psychologically against a psychopath manipulator's charm or viciousness if they knew how to spot them and recognized one in their midst..
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:53 PM
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31. "Hard" to "beat" a scandal involving RW pervs.
The gift that keeps on giving..............
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:02 PM
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34. Foley and Crist (R nominee Gov FL) were roommates.
Supposedly they shared an apartment for a while when they were both in the Florida Legislature. I wonder if they tried to keep this out of the press to protect not only Foley but Charlie Crist.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:07 AM
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54. please tell me you're not joking
please.... I would love for this to break in the Florida press. I'm sure he's running from any questions about Foley.

I'll search in case you don't respond with link.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:21 AM
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57. I found nothing on it. n/t
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 07:29 PM
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83. I'm trying to find a print source that will confirm it.
I've heard it for years that Crist was gay and that Foley was too. I've also heard that they were roommates while in the legislature. The story was repeated as comments on several blogs by Gallagher supporters and was resurrected when this Foley incident first came out. The problem is that it was too far back for most newspaper articles to be on the net for me to find a source. However, as often as I've heard it repeated, I've yet to see a rebuttal by a Crist supporter. Crist did testify in support of Foley's sexual predator bill. Here's some photos of them together (LINK).
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:15 PM
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36. What are you quoting? Where is the link?
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:21 PM
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38. "some of pages who "interacted" with Foley were hesitant to report...
...his behavior because "members of Congress, they've got the power." Many of the pages were hoping for careers in politics and feared Foley might seek retribution."

So on top of pedophile charges, there's sexual harrassment, no?
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:00 PM
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43. I would think so...
...unfortunately, male pages may also be reluctant to go forward because of perceived issues of masculinity. I hope that I'm wrong and they do file charges though.
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behonest Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:23 PM
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45. predictable
Actually this should have been for seen. If you look at Bush's administration he puts people in charge of agencies that do the opposite of what they claim to do. Its predictable-people just are to nice to see how bad these people really are.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:33 PM
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47. Welcome to DU!
:hi:

I'm not sure that people are simply "too nice" to see these guys for what they are. Part of the reason they're in office is good old fashioned greed. Voters thought they'd be getting a big tax break by electing them. They justified their greed with a bunch of morality talk.

:toast:
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meuniermr Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 02:37 AM
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62. I gots to know..
What is with the anteater???!
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:53 PM
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77. He likes his termites basted
in Guinness. :rofl:
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:22 AM
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73. Their rethug parents
might not let them file charges...
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Riverman Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:04 AM
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51. Republicans' MOTTO for the Election: "No Child's Behind Left
Untouched" We are an Equal Opportunity Child Abuse Party!
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:13 AM
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56. I PREDICT THAT THE REPUBLICANS WILL HOLD FOLEYS SEAT:
If the red neck republicans were not willing to change out a republican for a democrat in the Sand Diego race when it was a fact that their rep was basically acutioning off favors to the highest bidder they are not going to change parties becasue of diddiling boys. The rep from Sand Diego pleaded guilty and was on his way to jail when they held the special election and the Goof Ball republicans still voted for a republican. I guarntee that this seat will stay republican no matter what happens they will justify it by saying well we are not voting for Foley we are voting for a new republican who of course loves God and his Country in that order. You can take that to the bank and I hope I am wrong!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:49 AM
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88. Thank you for your concern.
Your contempt for your fellow Americans is certainly just what we need to win.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 11:50 AM
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91. It is an integrity check -- let's see if accountability matters in FL
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:21 AM
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59. I hope
the cover-up will bring these scummy worms down.

Foley is just another hypocrite gay guy in the closet. However I've been reading a lot of remarks to his sexuality here on DU that would look perfect in Freeper-land. Why on earth are these homophobic individuals allowed to post here?
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 07:19 AM
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67. It's not his sexuality -
it's his hypocracy and his pedophilia that people are discussing. There is little antigay sentiment around here.
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:52 AM
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75. pedophilia
is the paraphilia of being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to prepubescent or peripubescent children. Those pages don't qualify, they were not children.

Foley is a hypocrite and a Republican, but not a pedophile.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:34 PM
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78. From the second paragraph of Wikipedia
In contrast to the generally accepted medical definition, the term pedophile is also used colloquially to denote significantly older adults who are sexually attracted to adolescents below the local age of consent<1>, as well as those who have sexually abused a child.
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 07:00 PM
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80. exactly
16 is the age of consent in many states. Plus, he didn't have sex with any of these teenagers, as far as we know. Technically he's not a pedophile.

A hypocrite scum bag, yes.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 03:06 AM
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63. Republicans sure are creepy.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:37 AM
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64. There is no excape from this you hypocritcal repuke asshats...
...DU'ers, We need to use this for all its worth...Run, Run and Run with this.

I have repuke friend who is rpuked out of his mind, I cant wait to tell him the news...WooHoo!!

The Party is over for those remolestican fucks!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 06:16 AM
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65. Five years???? FIVE YEARS??????
And now our impartial AG is going to investigate. Hunky dory. What kind of people willingly sacrifice children for politics? It's sickening.
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woodsgirl Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #65
68. New adage
You can fool some of the people all of the time. Do you think
the remaining 30% of the country who loves bush will look over
a govt. sponsored pedohillia ring? I don't think so. Our
children are an extension of ourselves. We do love ourselves.
George Will said yesterday repubs. won in '04 despite
overwhelming odds/ We control the voting machines. Brad
Friedman of Bradblog may be the political genius of our time
by offering up a bill for paper ballots. Barbara Boxer tried
to get the legislation passed. Republicans wouldn't hear of
it, of course. So when THEY cry foul in Nov. We can say
"We tried."
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The Watchman Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 08:45 AM
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69. OK sparky, here's the deal.
Foley is already playing the "alcohol made me gay and like boys" card. it plays into the christian right's proclomation that being gay is a function of "choice" not "biology." however, Pedophila is all together seperate, and even hetrosexual people have been known to take a liking of same sex young uns. ethier way, the sicko is trying to cover up his ooglings by blaming it on the bottle.

Already this story has started to sink off the news cycle, the latest desernable stategy is "blame the left wing media for making it seem like a big deal." like those hideious ads that run on fox news about how cheery and wonderful things are in Iraq, and how the big bad liberal media is lying to us and only showing the bad stuff.


Be vigilant.
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:56 AM
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76. The next thing we'll hear from Foley is..
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 11:57 AM by IWantAChange
that he's been BORN AGAIN - I see him in the statethouse in Florida shortly thereafter.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:47 PM
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79. Links: Democratic challengers to Republicans most vulnerable in Predatorgate
coverup, by my assessment of the R's vulnerability to calls for resignation.

The OP mentions some of the Republicans who need to be asked, "What did you know,and when did you know it", and whose hard-drives MUST be seized as evidence in a possble criminal conspiracy.

I went to http://www.fec.gov and http://www.thegreenpapers.com and clicked through to state General Election voter information pages. Here are the incumbent names, states and districts, Democratic challengers, and campaign homepage URLs:

R Incumbent (State-District) ....... Democratic Challenger
Homepage

Mark Foley (FL-16) ..................... Tim Mahoney
http://www.timmahoneyforflorida.com

John Shimkus (IL-19) .................. Danny Stover
http://www.stoverforcongress.us

Thomas Reynolds (NY-26) .......... Jack Davis
http://www.jackdavis.org

Rodney Alexander (LA-05) ......... Gloria Williams Hearn
NO WEBSITE LINK AT THEGREENPAPERS

John A. Boehner (OH-08) ............ Mort Meier
http://www.victimsofjohnboehner.org

Denny Hastert (IL-14) ................. John Laesch
http://john06.com

Roy Blunt (MO-07) ..................... Jack Truman
http://trumanforcongress.tripod.com

See http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/9/30/212758/946/4... for more details.

Here's where you can go to help some of these candidates. Most of these Democrats are on their own with very few resources. One doesn't even have a website!

IMO, what they need most is help with local media, press releases, photo-ops, etc. IMO, their only hope of gaining office for themselves is to ignite local media feeding frenzies to bloody up and then devour the coverup leadership. You can even find lists of links to their local media at the bottom of General Election webpages for their states at http://www.thegreenpapers.com .
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terry4kerry Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 08:46 PM
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87. Who could ever keep up with those values?
Just shows you the typical example of bull and "republican" values=perb!
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