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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:37 PM
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It's over for Allen: NYT : he made racist comments about black Redskins
Specifically, Larry Brown.

In Northern VA you DON'T diss Larry Brown.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/27/us/politics/27allen.h...
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:39 PM
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1. And we haven't even BEGUN to tally up his ANTI-SEMETIC remarks!
:rofl:
rocknation
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:39 PM
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2. he'll get the W white supremist vote then?
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:10 PM
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36. I think he lost some of them when they found out....
about his Jewish connection.

Fundy wacko KKK Christian types subscribe to the same belief most Orthodox and Conservative Jewish authorities adhere to: According to most Orthodox and Conservative authorities, a Jew is a person who has a Jewish mother, or who converted to Judaism under appropriate rabbinic authority.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:46 PM
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38. then he'll have to rely on old ladies vote?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:42 PM
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3. His old man certainly wasn't a racist. Did he think that being racist..
is how you fit in in the South?

No, it's not. Isn't this an insult to Southerners?

What a shmuck.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:49 PM
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6. How do you know?
You don't know what his father said behind closed doors. His mother apparently felt comfortable enough to use the word macaca to the extent that lil Georgie learned it.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:53 PM
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8. By all accounts he treated them with respect...
and appointed them to leadership positions on the team and coaching staff.

This point suggests that he was not a racist.

Who knows for sure? You can't prove a negative.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:29 PM
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15. Not really
I know lots of racists who understand that the law requires equal job placment, etc. And he obviously had to treat his team with respect if he was going to be successful as a coach. That doesn't mean anything at all. Most white racists keep their racism behind closed doors and have for a very long time.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:36 PM
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16. True.
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 01:38 PM by MookieWilson
But, again, how do we prove a negative?

We can't. I've read enough about the team, etc. to give the coach the benefit of the doubt. But, no, I can't say definitively he was not a racist. I'm just basing my opinion on what I've read.

Allen, jr. spent a lot of time at the team's practice facility and on the sidelines, so his remarks could be solely his own impressions rather than second hand from dad.

And I'll come clean here that I didn't like Allen as a coach because of the way he treated Sonny Jurgensen. That's STILL a sore spot.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:55 PM
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19. You said "certainly wasn't a racist"
And I said you can't know that, which you now agree that no one can definitively say he wasn't a racist. I only said that there was enough racism in the household for George to learn the word macaca, so that combined with the rest of George's antics would indicate to me that there may have been more going on with Coach Allen than met the eye.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:01 PM
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20. There's no evidence...
the coach was a racist. I'm pretty certain he wasn't and I don't even like the guy.

Let's credit George jr. with becoming a racist by choice.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:27 PM
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30. Amen!
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:43 PM
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4. This is a guy with a confederate flag in his office isn't it?
Why didn't anyone pounce on his racism the first time he ran? It seems extremely blatant with this guy. I suppose he has to wear a Klansman outfit for people to finally get it.

Rp
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:47 PM
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5. This state almost elected Oliver North. Man, it was close! nt
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:42 PM
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17. To be fair, that was 1994 and Chuck Robb would have been crushed
by anyone else that year.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:51 PM
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23. Sen.Warner got Marshall Coleman to run to siphon off votes from North
it worked. Thank God.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:54 PM
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9. I don't know how true it is, but yesterday I heard several
reporters on TV saying that Va. USED to be alot more "southern" than it is today. Believe me, there's still a LOT of racism and prejudice in todays South, no matter what the media of the gov't tries to tell you.

I'm a WF from Pa. who moved to SC almost 20 years ago. I lived therefor 6 years, then moved to TX for 6 years & then to GA where I live now. Here in GA, Dems have lost elections and control of the State because they took the image of the Confederate flag off the state flag! Those folks will tell you thy aren't against integration, but Damn it, they want THEIR history back on THEIR FLAG! I believe in both Ga & VA things are getting better. There are many more people from other places moving in and bringing theirbetter ideas with them. However, in the rural parts of each state, the old ideas still persist!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:16 PM
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12. True. I was a Norfolker, a city crawling with Yankee carpetbaggers.
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 01:39 PM by MookieWilson
Of which I was one.

I had the misfortune to live in SC for two years in the early 70s. It was a racist bog and I hated every minute.
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 03:16 PM
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26. insightful post . Now only if we can take 1 or 2 "southern" States in 08
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 03:43 PM by Fluffdaddy
"I believe in both Ga & VA things are getting better. There are many more people from other places moving in and bringing their better ideas with them."
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:55 PM
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10. And a Noose
He said it was some sort of 'old west' motiff

I think of a Noose I think of the thousands of minorities hung in the South back before the civil rights movement for nothing more than perhaps looking at a white girl

I find nothing 'old west' about a noose
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:32 PM
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33. he called it a "little ol' noose"
A sort of affectionate way of pretending it was unimportant.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:02 PM
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11. Don't forget the
miniature hangman's noose.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:47 PM
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22. That just means that he is "tough on crime"
I'm not kidding that was the talking point I read it in a Kathleen Parker column a few months ago.

PLEASE don't ask what I was doing reading her pointless column but she did say that.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 03:09 PM
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25. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dr. Pepper all over my monitor! (n/t)
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 03:17 PM
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27. Link
Allen ain't nothin' but a hot dog


Lizza and others have pointed to other "signs" suggestive of Allen's "race problem," such as a Confederate flag he used to display in his home that was part of a flag collection. Allen also had a noose hanging from a ficus tree in his law office that was part of his Western collection and symbolic of his tough attitude toward crime.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle...



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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:22 PM
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13. Don't forget about the noose next to the flag.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:22 PM
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14. Don't forget about the noose next to the flag.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:52 PM
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7. Racist Allen is a disgrace to his party...
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:54 PM
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18. Actually, I wonder how many of today's extremist Republicans...
have similar in their backgrounds, if we knew the truth. I have a friend in Mississippi who says the whole rise of the Republican party in the South was based on racism -- and I think it's a factor elsewhere.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:02 PM
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21. Yes, that's what Lyndon Johnson predicted when he signed the Civil...
Rights Act.

And Ol' Lyndon was right.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:19 PM
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28. Your friend and LBJ were absolutely right- "the whole rise of the
Republican party in the South WAS based on racism"

When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, he remarked after signing the Act, "We have lost the South for a generation."
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:56 PM
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35. Lester Mattox
and other "Dixiecrats" led the mass migration of the angry white male to the southern Republican party.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 03:00 PM
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24. The name of the team itself is racist!
NT!

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:24 PM
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29. Actually,
80% of Native Americans don't think so.

In fact, some school football teams use the name.

Yes, on first glance, it does sound kind of racist. The Braves and Indians have racist logos. But, most Native Americans have no problem with the logos of the Chicago BlackHawks or the Redskins.

But it's NOTHING to do with human pelts.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:29 PM
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31. Can you give a pertinent snip of the Time article
Some of us choose not to register on that or any site.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:30 PM
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32. Well for a white southerner who grew up in the 60's & 70's....
to claim that he never used the infamous "N-word" strains the credulity of even the most dedicated freepers.

:rofl:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:25 PM
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34. He grew up in California.
He moved to Virginia when his dad became coach of Washington and, being of college age, he went to UVA.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:34 PM
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37. Excerpt from NYT article.
Mrs. Hawkins, who described herself as a rural Virginia housewife and an active Democrat, said in an interview Tuesday that she heard Mr. Allen use the slur repeatedly at a party on election night in 1976. She said Mr. Allen used the term while deprecating the intelligence of the black players on the Washington Redskins football team, which Mr. Allens father coached. Recalling remarks about its star running back, Larry Brown, Mrs. Hawkins said that Mr. Allen started in effect bad-mouthing him, saying what a shiftless you-know-what he was.

She said she remembered the conversation because she was a big fan of the team and was shocked. She said Mr. Allens statement on Monday was just plain a lie.

Mr. Wadhams said the encounter did not happen. He said that Mr. Allen remained very good friends with Mr. Brown and that as governor of Virginia, Mr. Allen had appointed Mr. Brown to the board of visitors at George Mason University.

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