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dtotire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:04 PM
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Rove Promises October Surprise
I got this from an E-mail. Makes me worried.

Karl Rove Promises 'October Surprise'

By Ronald Kessler

In the past week, Karl Rove has been promising Republican insiders an “October surprise” to help win the November congressional elections.

President Bush’s political strategist is also saying that the final two weeks before the elections will see a blitz of advertising, and the Republican National Committee is deploying an army of volunteers to key locations to help the grass-roots effort and monitor the elections. The RNC is offering to fly in volunteers and cover their expenses.

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Rove is not saying what the October surprise will be. Asked if he would elaborate and give his thinking about the coming elections, Rove told NewsMax that his take largely parallels what RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman said in a
Sept. 5 NewsMax story.

As for the October Surprise, Rove said, “I'd rather let the balance unroll on its own.”

The previous NewsMax story quoted Mehlman as saying that Republicans will hold their majority in the House and Senate. He bases that conclusion on a recent meeting with his regional political directors, on private polling, and on analyses of individual races.

Mehlman conceded that the House is in a “competitive situation.” In the House, 35 to 40 seats are in play, he said. In the Senate, 12 or 13 seats could change hands. To tilt the balance, Democrats would have to pick up six seats in the Senate and 15 seats in the House.

But, Mehlman said, “I believe that the combination of the relatively narrow playing field, the relatively strong financial position our folks are in and the national party is in, the good turnout operation that we have, the motivation of our base, and the lack of motivation of their base as indicated by turnout in a number of recent Democrat primaries,” will do the trick.

Meanwhile, Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., the chairman of the Republican Study Committee, told the American Spectator Newsmaker Breakfast that even in Indiana, “There is no question that there is public consternation about our progress in Iraq.” However, he said, “Hoosiers want us to come home, but they want us to win and come home.”

When he was with Bush recently, the president asked him, “What do you have to say, Pence?”

“Thanks for being more determined than our enemy,” Pence said.

“I like the way you put that,” Bush quickly replied.

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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:06 PM
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1. He's lying
He's trying to make the Democrats nervous, hopefully no one falls for it.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:23 AM
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32. It may be "nerve warfare",
or it might be that the October Surprise wil be the well-orchestrated "capture" of Bill Laden --- just in time for election day!. But I believe Rove has shot his bolt and the American people are finally waking up. They'll ask: "WHAT took so long, and at WHAT cost?" Diebold Time!

pnorman
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:06 PM
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2. Are we ready to counter it, if there is one?
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 03:09 PM by AX10
This could also be used as an excuse to justify a "suprise" GOP "win".
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:07 PM
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3. pence is a spineless prick
no doubt rove has pictures of him with a donkey or a santorum. Yes master, you are more determined then the bad guys, can I go back to Indiana now master?

"Conservatives" should be so proud they need surprises to win elections.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:11 PM
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7. Lest anyone be confused, this is Mike


A favorite of the chattering class, no doubt you've seen his smarmy ass on your teevee.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:31 PM
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21. pence
Was he ever in the Air Force, I swear I had a seargent that looked exactly like him, and
his name I think was Mike Pence, he was a complete A$$ then too, if it was him.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:56 PM
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26. nice soft-focus..
was this taken at Glamour Shots?!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:28 PM
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29. Thanks Shipmate
That is the spineless prick I was referring to. I have relatives in Indiana (don't know if they are in his district) but they would no doubt vote for a chucklehead like Mikey. Some family members you just choose to ignore.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:08 PM
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4. of course he wouldn';t say what the surprise was
If he did, it wouldn't be a surprise and would be of absolutely no value in October.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:08 PM
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5. Right, so when they steal the election - they have a shining excuse
they can point to their 'october surprise' and say 'that's why the American people kept us in power'. Bah. These people HATE democracy. Their personal fortunes (and possibly freedom) depends on keeping Republican control of the House and Senate. They're not going to let that go.
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Rude Horner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:10 PM
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6. Yeah, I'll BET they're going to have people monitoring the elections
hacking tools and all. Fucking traitor bastard.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:14 PM
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8. Monitor the monitors.
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 03:14 PM by mmonk
Get in their faces if you have to. Even call them brownshirts in public if it pleases you but stay in their faces.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:17 PM
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9. If the Democrats
were pounding away, as they should be but are not, on the administrations many, many failures, if they were running ads showing Bush saying that he'd get Osama and pointing out that five years later Osama is still free, if they'd highlight the fact that middle class families are worse off than they were when Bush took office, if they'd say out loud that torture is NOT what Americans do, if they'd mention everywhere that it is Republicans who have been in control of all three branches of government, then no "October Surprise" could have any effect.

But are they doing these things?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:20 PM
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10. No, they are talking about how the repukes have got
security all wrong and how they will do it right. Looks like we have the same handlers as last time.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:33 PM
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13. That, Shelia
...is a winning combination. Lets hope the smart-asses take your advice, eh?
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:27 PM
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11. their GOTV operation is the October Surprise
they have a good one.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:32 PM
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12. The October Surprise is that the October Surprise will not be needed.
All they have to do is get a much ballyhooed GOTV push in the last two weeks, make it real obvious and unmistakable, then rig the vote machines to give them the result they want. When then results contradict the polls, they claim the polls were flawed and the results could be predicted by their GOTV efforts.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:53 PM
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15. Or they could Nuke Iran.
One small, carefully deployed little nuke will cause massive unrest around the world, set us into martial law (which allows them to cancel elections) and that will be that. Or, perhaps we'll have some sort of attack over here- nothing major, just enough to put everyone in terror mode again.

Sorry to be so pessimistic but they are not going to give up the house and or the Senate without a big fight and now that rigged elections are hitting the mainstream, they may need to come up with another way to remain in power. Remember who we are dealing with here- they will stop at nothing.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:01 PM
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18. I tend to agree with you.
Some kind of thing that just cancels elections. But if no surprise happens at all, it will be even more incriminating of another stolen election, that is, if they win.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:49 PM
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14. WE can counter THEIR October surprise with OUR November surprise........
in the ELECTIONS!! This country and the world is in a shambles and the rethugs are in charge. Time to fire the incompetent management that has put US in this mess.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:55 PM
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16. Although I'd be surprised if there wasn't an October surprise by......
the neo-Cons I'd take this with a large cow lick of salt considering the source. An email (from friend, org or ??) is quoting something from Newsmax which is normally considered to basically be right up there with Faux News if not worse.

(FYI: Source Watch Info on Newsmax)

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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:58 PM
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17. Well, they could bring Osama bin Laden out of whichever
Club Med resort they've been keeping him at...
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:04 PM
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19. Well they would really have to use a lot of makeup
for his corpse to look lifelike!
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:28 PM
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25. bin Laden - Bushie saying today he'll send troops to Pakistan
to get bin Laden and Musharraf hinting they know general location of bin Laden.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:28 PM
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20. It's probably Bin Laden
They probably have him hidden away somewhere for a special occasion.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:48 PM
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22. That would do it.
It would also explain why the Retarded Cowboy has been sprinkling his propaganda speeches with the name 'bin Laden' so liberally (pardon the pun) lately, considering a previous statement where he said that he 'wasn't too concerned' about him.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:50 PM
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23. Don't let what Rove says affect your efforts for this election
The GOP is just trying to play with your mind. Fight for your local Democratic politicians.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:16 PM
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24. Well, did you expect him to NOT promise an "October Surprise?"
The GOP is terrified about the November elections. By claiming an "October Surprise," Rove can assuage their fears.

And Bush will never "get" Osama. He's a creation of the CIA and son of the Saudi Royal Family. 15 of the 19 9/11 attackers carried Saudi passports. And the bin Laden family helped finance W's early business ventures.

No way does Bush have any intention on capturing Osama...
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:56 PM
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27. DON'T forget the November 04 Surprise.
Setting aside the questions about voting fraud,there was a surge of GOP support on Election Day, and not all of it was hanky panky. Rove did "get out the base" to an extent that what was thought of as a victory for Kerry turned around during the day.

Again, set aside the factor of voting fraud. The GOP is real good at rallying their troops.

That I think is the October Surprise. GOPers will come out of their respectiuve holes in large numbers.

The issue is whether Democrats can accomplish the same thing in large enough numbers to offset that.

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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:18 PM
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28. Fraud was the only factor in '04
I don't believe for a second that people came out to vote FOR Chimpus Khan.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:29 PM
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30. I wish you were right but I think that's too easy
I'm not denyiong the possibility or likliehood of voter fraud.

But not to the extent that it can be blamed as the only reason we keep losing.

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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:08 AM
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31. Agreed
Reluctantly I agree with you. It's not just voter fraud. Rove has an exquisite machine for turning out true right wing religious fanatics. The 35% hardcore Bush supporters turn out 100% of the time, so they only have to steal 2-4% of the vote. However, I believe that this 35% is not as motivated this election. Rove hasn't given them anything. Nothing on abortion, nothing against gays, two wars gone bad, and I don't think the religious wing nuts are going to crusade to the polls so Shrub can torture legally.

Of course an October surprise may entail the promise of some other outlandish promise like....enshrining the ten commandments in a constitutional amendment. That would turn out some fundies.
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