John Kerry on Rush Limbaugh’s Comments on Israel

[whometense]

bwahahahahahaha...emphasis is mine...

Below is a statement from John Kerry:



“Rush Limbaugh’s ignorance and willingness to divide Americans knows no bounds. His latest statement about Israel is beyond offensive to all of us who have fought to protect Israel in the face of enemies committed to its destruction.



Rush Limbaugh needs to pick up a history book instead of a donut. It was a Democratic president who first recognized the State of Israel. It was a Democratic President who first sold Israel defensive weapons. And it was a Democratic President who first sold Israel offensive weapons.



The people of Israel and the Jewish community don’t need Rush Limbaugh to tell them who stands with them, and no one has time for right wing trying to score cheap political points while Israel fights to defend its very existence.”



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[jonnyblitz]

1. outstanding!! SLAM!

:thumbsup:

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. Rush is really out of his league. It must be the drugs..........

[Freedom_from_Chains]

3. Rush Limbaugh needs to pick up a history book

instead of a donut, or the bottle of oxycontin.

[Sam Odom]

4. Why even acknowledge him ?

??

[MADem]

7. Because the last time JFK didn't "acknowledge" a lunatic asshole

he got his ass swiftboated.

He takes the motto of that lesson from the Jews, you see: NEVER AGAIN!!!!!

[Dr Fate]

13. I agree- Kerry needs to call these liars to the carpet. n/t

n/t

[Sam Odom]

15. Do you think Kerry comments will sway any ditto-heads ?

Dean used to bring up his name almost daily in 2004... Used to piss me off. Just me, I guess.

[Dr Fate]

16. It's about the occasional, drive home listener, not Ditto Heads.

We ignore the power of a lying media at our own peril!!!

The more we call these guys out, whether it's Rush, Chris matthews or whoever, the better.

[Epiphany4z]

19. It is not the ditto heads that need to be swayed

it the people who vote but don't really pay attention they walk past a tv in a store and hear bits and pieces. They catch a little bit on radio drive into work..or hear a co worker talking about ..did you hear what kerry says. All of these things are little things but they work..most people are not ditto heads or addicted like those of on DU...with air america streaming in and C span on the tv..I think Dems are starting to get it...it is not just the big things..it is little seeping thing that help..it is like saying your own name 3 or 4 times in a speech so people will remember it.

[WildEyedLiberal]

23. Plus a lot of the people who listen to Rush just like "tough talk"

I think Kerry hitting back hard like this, making a mockery of Rush, will get a lot of admiration from the people who just like to see a good, solid smackdown. Never let it be said that John Kerry didn't take a great deal of wisdom from 2004...

[MADem]

20. Don't be ABSURD, of course not. What it will do, though, is

make some of these fuckwits a bit more hesitant to come after him, if they know they are going to be verbally run through TOUTE SUITE by a master of the written and spoken word.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

5. Rush use to just be outrageous, these days he is vicious. n/t

[Master Mahon]

6. I just wonder what the political rhetoric

would be today if Palestine and Lebanon donated as much money to our politicians campaigns as Israel does??
Actually, I don't wonder I think I know what it'd be.
In the US it's all about the bucks...the rhetoric is just that, rhetoric.

[Ian David]

8. Do you have a link? n/t

[Mass]

10. Here

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=259214

[tocqueville]

9. yep, but does Kerry support a cease-fire ?

that the really important question.

[Totally Committed]

11. As long as EITHER SIDE is killing civilians,

I'm not sure I like us boasting about selling them weapons to do it.

I am on the side of ALL THE CIVILIANS -- Lebanese, Israeli, and Palestinian -- who are suffering and dying because they have gotten in the way of this fighting.

War sucks. ALL WAR. I understand that Rush needs to be put in his place, and I LOVE THE DONUT COMMENT. I just don't think we should be boasting about putting the guns in anyone's hands when they are killing innocent people.


That's all.

TC

[WildEyedLiberal]

22. I definitely understand your point

And while I missed Rush's spewing bile, I can infer from Kerry's statement that it must have been something like "only Republicans care about Israel, Democrats are pussies who love Islamic terrorists." Which is, of course, a blatant lie, and feeds the GOP's meme that Democrats are weak on security. So I do think it was appropriate for Kerry to call Fatso out on his lie.

Honestly, I don't know what to believe re: the whole Mideast conflict. I do think Hezbollah started it, but I also think Israel is alienating the world with its response. That said, I can't really argue with Israel's desire to root out Hezbollah once and for all, because their stated claim is to destroy Israel. I kind of liken it to our invasion of Afghanistan, I guess - when a militant group exists that has sworn your destruction, you strike at the root and eradicate the problem at the source.

The real tragedy in all this is that so many innocents are dying.

[MADem]

25. But Israel is doing the world's bidding, you see

If "the world" or even the bastards with the money who CONTROL the world, really, TRULY, wanted Israel to sit there and try to cherry-pick out the insurgents while they hide and launch from civilian neighborhoods, they ALL had an opportunity to get up in front of the world media and SAY THAT at the G8. And they all could have leaned quietly on Israel, and forced them to try to do this, one on one (though it would not work--there'd be double the number of missiles in Lebanon had they tried it that way).

But they didn't do that, they didn't say a damn thing, and ya know why?

Israel is doing their dirty work FOR THEM.

Because no one in that bunch wants their people to freeze in winter, to have to walk in hot, dusty summer, to do without air conditioning, to live a pre-oil life. Because if these fundies get their way, they'll turn next on Saudi Arabia, grab Iraq, consolidate Iran into the mix, and control the oil assets throughout the region if they can. And make no mistake, that IS their goal. Everyone blah-blahs about religion, but the real gods here are CASH and POWER.

And who knows, assuming they get their way, and once they've wrung every concession they can possibly manage out of the rest of the world, conversion could well be mandatory before you get a sip of the black gold, ya crummy infidel.

They're already doing a heckuva job beating the shit out of women in the streets of Iraq for failing to cover themselves "appropriately." These guys have a "my way or the highway" attitude. And so do we. I don't think we're saints, but I have no desire to give up the odd drink, see the female population forced to wear bedsheets, and be required to prostrate myself no matter where I happen to be, five times a day, by thugs with large sticks.

[karynnj]

33. Would you rather we not have given them weapons as they

were attacked by about 5 Arab countries at one time? Wes Clark seemed to ok a period of bombing by Israel in his comments from a few days ago. Did you have a problem with that? Kerry is defending all Democrats from the charge that they don't support Israel and that they are weak on national defense.

Someone needs to counter these false accusations. I assume that Kerry is not alone in responding to this. (Clark is on Fox so I would bet he has had some similar comments.) I do hope that the Democrats will push for a cease fire at some point - Kerry has always been pro-diplomacy. He recently said that "war was a failure of diplomacy". (before this situation)

[Totally Committed]

38. What I said, I thought I made clear, was not anti-Kerry, but anti-war.

I thought that my reply conveyed that I liked what Kerry had said, for the most part, but while civilians on all sides were being killed, we shouldn't be boasting about supplying the weapons... ANY of the weapons. It's unseemly. It's wrong.

And, guess what? If Wes had said it, I'd have said the same thing. I am no one's sychophant. When I think Wes is wrong, or I don't agree with him, I say so. He would expect that of me... of anyone, actually. That's the way he is. But, this isn't about Wes. And, it really isn't about Kerry, either. It's about not appearing arrogant in the face of so many civilian deaths. Did Kerry mean to sound that way? My guess is he did not. My post was an expression of MY OPIONION. I realize Kerry has always been pro-diplomacy. Point out where in my post I said otherwise. You can't, because I didn't. I was expressing my heart-felt sadness over all the innocent life being lost. Period. I felt we shouldn't be boastful in light of that.

Why can't any of us have an honest expression of emotion without having someone jumping out and implying insult where none was intended? Why is is so difficult to allow that?

TC

[karynnj]

41. I shouldn't have mentioned Clark

I can see that you did not comment on the thread about his plan, it was wrong to assume you had. I apologize that I thought you had - you didn't. I definately should have searched first. I was wrong.
(http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1670427 )

The other point is that the times Kerry is referring to when Democratic presidents were the first to give Israel offensive and defensive weapons predate when he went to the Senate. In 1967 and 1972, Arab states attacked Israel. The situation is far more complicated now and Kerry has not made a detailed statement on his views. I don't know if I will agree with Kerry because I don't know his position.

I like the French plan best, but all the plans have the feature of replacing Hezbollah at the Lebanon/Israel border. I really wish that as the new Lebanese government was formed that the international community had worked with them to prevent Hezbollah from being on the border and sending missles into Israel. The absense of diplomacy in that area created time bombs ready to explode.

I definately think that Israel has struck back way to hard and that it will rebound against them. I also don't like the fact that the world is holding off from stopping this.

[Totally Committed]

47. Thank you, karynnj. I appreciate that... and

I agree with you on this point:

I really wish that as the new Lebanese government was formed that the international community had worked with them to prevent Hezbollah from being on the border and sending missles into Israel. The absense of diplomacy in that area created time bombs ready to explode.

Hezbollah has to be disarmed, if possible. (Seeing how much success they've had disarming the IRA in N.Ireland, even after having that agreed to in negotiation tells me how difficult that will be to accomplish and enforce, however...) and they MUST be replaced at the border... a very astute point.

The fact that the world has held off is troubling, but I think they see the responsibility for reining in the Israelis as the U.S.'s job, because we are their main (okay, only) ally. But, as I have just learned in another thread, the U.S. has held off sending anyone to the region because it is speeding a shipment of bombs to the Israelis first. See:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2735534

It's sort of like "fixing" the game so the outcome is guaranteed... like when you have so many of the chips in a poker game, you can buy your way to winning the pot? -- like that. There won't have to be much negotiation by Condi if all she has to do is look the Arabs in the eye and say "Israel wins, and here are the terms..." It's sick and it's unfair, but unfortunately, it's how this government does business now. The Arabs will be furious, the terrorists will be thrilled, and the beat will go on. So sad.

Lets both hope for peace. It's a nice thing to finally agree over, isn't it?

TC

[karynnj]

49. I agree with everything you wrote here

My biggest concern is that the way this was done will make Israel even more unaccepted than it is - if that's possible.

This has to be a nightmare for most of the more moderate Israelis. For many of them, the long occupation of Lebanon was a nightmare that challanged their view of their country, much as Vietnam or Iraq did here. For the Lebanese, this must be heartbreaking when they had some hope of being a stable country.

Here, I hope more people realize how bad their decision was to vote for a man whose only solution is war. International diplomacy looks so much better now.

[Totally Committed]

50. There is a fairly strong Peace Movement in Israel at the moment.

Likud is not the power it once was, and (thank goodness) Bibi Netanyahu has been relegated to being Wolf Blitzer's main "Israel expert" on his Sunday shows.

Neither the U.S. nor their allies inside the Israeli government are invested in a negotiated peace, unless they are the ones dictating the terms. It's just the way things are. The fact that Sharon was about to bite the bullet and make peace with the Palestinians when he had his "stroke" only makes me feel that peace is more possible now than we are being led to believe. Having friends both in Israel AND Lebanon, I am heartsick at what is happening.

I feel that if we do not help HONESTLY broker a deal soon, the whole region will be in flames for another 20 years. There ARE people on both sides who want peace. We should be supporting their efforts instead of arming those who don't. I am terrified because I don't see this happening in a Bush administration. They are not diplomats, just war-mongering, oil-thirsty bullies at this point.

I am not optomistic.

TC

[Zhade]

37. I agree, except for the fat joke. Meh.

But yes to the rest!

[Mass]

39. I agree.

[Dr Fate]

12. Love , Love LOVE IT-- but did he say it ON TV?

If not, it didnt happen.

Did he say this on a television program, or is this just red meat for the choir/bloggers?

[whometense]

17. I appreciate your point,

but I don't know. He was in New Orleans today. Maybe it'll turn up on New Orleans tv.

Of course, the "if a tree falls in the forest" rule is always apt when it comes to Kerry and the MSM...

[Dr Fate]

18. Ohh- It didnt happen then. Too bad. Maybe next time.

n/t

[TheCowsCameHome]

14. Limbaugh loves to make fun of Kerry's service in Viet Nam.

That from a first class COWARD.

He has no room to ridicule anyone. He is an example of everything wrong in America.

[Monkeyman]

21. Did you guys hear Rush blame the victims

Americans trying to get out of the war zone. He slam them .Its time for Rush I have a boil on my ass can't go to Vietnam to go to jail

[Sam Odom]

24. I don't waste my time in listening to him n/t

n/t

[Monkeyman]

26. Just a vet to know your enemy is to defeat your enemy

[ProSense]

27. Excellent snack down of

the pill popping pig.

It's time for them to pull this vitriolic windbag off AFN.

[Supersedeas]

28. Limpbod chokes on a donut.

[Ilsa]

29. That bolded quote offers some really fun opportunities....

"Rush Limbaugh needs to pick up a ______ instead of a ______."

..."tube of lube" instead of a "Dominican Republic boy."

[Ilsa]

30. "Rush Limbaugh needs to pick up a _noose_ instead of a

__fraudulently labelled script for Viagra."

[WildEyedLiberal]

31. I would've loved a Viagra joke

But that definitely would have been too tasteless coming from a Senator. Hilarious, but tasteless. :evilgrin:

The donut crack is just right, IMO.

[karynnj]

35. Last time, David Wade commented on Rush attacking Kerry

he called him donut eating, so clearly they like the theme. I love it. It's innocuous enough that Rush sounds like an idiot when re repeats it (which he did last time - and he didn't like it) I guess it kind of says he's fat, which he is and soft. This is a really perfect put down for him.

[Canuckistanian]

32. Burn!

Way to go, John! Put that Nazi in his place!

[chat_noir]

36. Rush Limbaugh Sings "I'm A Nazi"

listen here: http://www.bartcop.com/rushnazi.mp3

Lyrics here: http://bootnewt.tripod.com/imanazi.htm


I'm a nazi (he's a nazi)
(Sieg heil!) I really am
'Cause I'm a nazi (he's a nazi)
That's right, you're being scammed
I'm a nazi (he's a nazi)
I don't care about the middle class
'Cause I'm a sick Republican sleaze ball
With the face of a horse's ass
(He's a sick Republican sleaze ball) Ho!
(With the face of a horse's ass)

[Canuckistanian]

42. Oh, I got a copy of that long ago

It's hilarious! I'd like to know who did it, though.

[Cha]

34. "Instead of a donut"!!

SLAM!!

[samhsarah]

40. self-delete

[Voltaire99]

43. Bragging about arming Israel while it massacres citizens on our dime?

Oh, good show there, John Kerry. Obsequious worm.

[MarkDevin]

44. Good for you, Senator Kerry!

"Rush Limbaugh needs to pick up a history book instead of a donut." :rofl:

[win_in_06]

45. Kerry listens to Rush?

[Totally Committed]

48. Any smart Democrat elected has at least one staffer

listening to RW hate radio every day for them, and probably even recording it. Know thine enemy.

I just wish they'd use it more to fuel their own responses. A ittle righteous anger now and then does a lot to help a response sound "un-wimpy".

TC

[win_in_06]

51. I don't think repugs listen to Air America

[Appalachian_American]

46. I knew he could do it.

You have to respond to these creeps on their level.