When/if Israel asks for help, besides the U.S., who can they

[babylonsister]

count on to come to their aid? I'm wondering who their allies are.

[Sam Odom]

1. Militarily, Israel wouldnt need anyone else n/t

n/t

[Popol Vuh]

11. Oh really?

Good... Then we don't need to fund them anymore then. n/t

[bbinacan]

2. Britain

maybe?:shrug:

[JHH]

3. sometimes the best thing a friend can do is stop one from doing harm

[babylonsister]

4. No one to my knowledge has tried to stop anything, or have I

missed something?

[JHH]

6. Thats my point a true friend would intervene

[babylonsister]

7. Ah! And making friends is hard werk! nt

[Benhurst]

5. When you have the World's Only Superpower and

Third World Dump on your side, who else do you need?

[Name removed]

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[cali]

12. Lots of opinion

very little fact. Not to mention your unpleasant salivating at this prospect: "hopefully, Israel will learn a tough lesson - that they are "not all that special". And you make it perfectly clear that what you'd love to see is destruction rained down on Israelis from H'zbollah rockets. How charming.

Your premise that Israel 'hollered wolf' is deeply flawed. H'zbollah has been firing rockets into Israel for years, and then they crossed inot israel, killing several soldiers and capturing two That's cut and dry provocation. That it in no way excuses Israel's heavy handed response, does not exonerate H'zbollah.

You have no way of knowing if the Israelis are shocked as hell. In fact, Israelis expect such attacks.


Whether you or I or anyone else approves, Israel is an ally of the US. In fact, I find the one sided support of Israel truly dismaying, but you're deluding yourself if you think that the US won't aid Israel.

Finally, your oh so apparent bloodlust and eagerness to see Israelis bombed should no more be countenanced than someone avidly looking forward to seeing the Palestinians bombed.

As Mr. Welch said: "Have you no decency, Sir?"

[cali]

13. Don't be shy

Respond to my post. I'd love to see you defend your screed.

[Name removed]

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[cali]

18. Your words

reflect vile bigotry and ignorance. From your characterization of the captured soldiers to blaming 9/11 on Israel, your colors shine through.

How dare you accuse me of not caring about the people of Lebanon or Palestine who are suffering under a disproportionate and unjust response? I make it clear in my first response to you that I condemn Israel's reaction to H'zbollah's provocation, and in thread after thread here, I've expressed this.

I hope like hell you're not really a liberal but whatever you are you don't belong here.

[Name removed]

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[cali]

24. The only reasonI haven't alerted the

mods is because I think it's educational to let you spew your hatred for a bit. There are a lot of people here who are vehemently opposed to Israeli actions, who consider Israel a rogue nation, etc, but they're not bigots. Unfortunately, you represent a minority of truly bigoted folds.

You are frankly anti-semitic. The proof?

"Its not ignorance to know that the Israelis did not have anyone at the World Trade Center because they knew it what was going to happen. WHENEVER the real storyis told about 9/11 I hope we find out whether this 'ally' told anyone in the Whitehouse or State Department."

I don't think this needs explaining as to why it's anti-semitic.

Your stupid ad hominem attack accusing me of being an IDF member is laughable. Nope, I'm just a person who doesn't like bigotry or racism of any kind against any people. It really sickens me.

Judging from your other posts, it's clear you wouldn't be numb to seeing Israelis blown up by the bushel- you've made it clear you'd be gleeful. Also judging from your other posts, I think it can safely be said that you'd feel that way about Jews getting killed anytime, anyplace.

BTW, It's a lie of course, that no Israelis died in the attacks on 9/11. Five did, and many, many more Jews died.

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/september11israelvictimsmemorial.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Wow

"I would be numb to a huge
crater hole in the heart of Tel Aviv. Numb to Israel's power plants,
fuel depots, 20-story apartment buildings, bridges and roads
being blasted to bits. Well, almost numb because when you are
on a arrogant, head-on suicide mission, don't expect the world
to be a willing participant.

I've got my popcorn ready."


Too bad you will be disappointed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. That's Blood Libel

the seeker (12 posts) Mon Jul-17-06 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #18
23. Cali, get a hold of yourself
Its not bigoted to call a spade a spade. Its not ignorance to know that
the Israelis did not have anyone at the World Trade Center because
they knew it what was going to happen. WHENEVER the real story
is told about 9/11 I hope we find out whether this 'ally' told
anyone in the Whitehouse or State Department.



That post is right up there with the Protecols Of Zion and the ancient calumny that Jews used the blood of Christian children in ritualist sacrifices.

[cali]

33. What's distressing

is that the mods haven't removed this person's posts. I finally did alert them- hours ago.

[European Socialist]

9. With Smirk, the response is "how high".

[IndianaGreen]

10. Israel is an alcoholic friend

a real friend would stop enabling her drunkenness with power.

[ProudDad]

16. You've got it!

The U.S. has bankrolled Israel all along. Now Israel is a well (NUCLEAR) armed rogue state.

I wouldn't keep handing out money to an alcoholic friend, we sure as hell shouldn't support a fascist state like Israel. Of course, the bushies are also fascist so it's not too suprising...

--------------------------------------

Of course, from a war monger's perspective -- $4 billion a year for a "nuclear equipped air craft carrier" right in the middle of oil country is a pretty good deal...

[pdxmike]

14. this isn't like the west bank or gaza

Hezbollah has been shelling Israel proper, and firing missiles into Haifa (imagine terrorists firing missiles into San Diego). Regardless of what you think of Israel, NO sovereign state can tolerate this.
I feel for the people of Lebanon. But, they can't have it both ways. Hezbollah is part of the government, has ministers in the cabinet, AND are given carte blanche to act with impunity in the south(at the behest of Syria and Iran). If the Lebanese government wants to be treated like a sovereign state, then they have to take responsibility for the entire country. Now obviously they can't do that. Hezbollah is too powerful. So what is Israel to do? What would you do?
Remember- this isn't occupied territory that is at issue here. This is Israel proper.

[ProudDad]

17. What would I do?

I'll tell you.

If I were in charge of Israel, I'd make peace with my neighbors using my advantages in the realms of economic power and wealth. I'd HELP the Palestinian people to their own whole, homogeneous homeland for a start.

I'd SURE AS HELL not try to "FUCK for Chastity".

A good definition of insanity is to keep doing the same things over and over again and expect a different result. Israel's been doing just that by seeming to expect respect and peace while conducting an oppressive occupation supported by gratuitous collective punishment for the least of perceived injuries.

Of course, they're also burdened by being yet another (evil) fanatic theocracy.

[cali]

19. If only it were that simple

There's a lot to criticize about Israel, but designating it as evil, fanatic, fascist and a theocracy demonstrates ignorance.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. But it so easy to do...

...haven't you seen it, Cali? you have been called an apologist for the Israeli war-machine, a propagandist, etc. Too bad you aren't like me, with a Magen David avatar, or you to could be called a member of Mossad or a freeper tool.

People wonder why I rarely 'chastise' Israel at DU...why would I? That job seems to be taken! Even when I do criticize Israel, it is never "good enough."

Conservative authors opinions are not welcomed here, unless of course they are slamming Israel. Remember that lovely little thread, with the author talking about the "Zionist paranoia?" The one that a few DU'ers thought was so brilliant, and some even defended after the author was exposed for a bigot? Well, that asswipe has a new piece that is already gaining traction here.

Do you still wonder why I am pro-Israeli at DU?

[cali]

21. You and

I differ widely as to Israel's actions, but I've been taken aback by much of the venemous anti-Israeli rhetoric I've seen. Did you see the comments in this thread in #s 8 and 15? I suppose I should hit alert, but it's interesting that those comments when directed toward Israel and Jews, is left unchallenged (except by me).

[Behind the Aegis]

22. We may differ.

The one thing I have respected about you is that you don't resort to word-twisting and propaganda, like some that you have also encountered. We can disagree, even heatedly, but I don't ever recall a post to me from you or mine to you ever being deleted!

The recent incursion into Lebanon has shown who the true "neutrals," and "pro-Palestinians" are, and it has also shown who the anti-Israelis and worse, disguised as "pro-Palestinians" or "neutrals," really are!

On edit: Here is the latest link from that asshole Paul Craig Roberts.

[treestar]

30. Why do supporters of Israel so quickly resort to this emotionalism?

All countries will be criticized. It's like there is this embittered sense of entitlement that Israel never will be.

[cali]

36. Your inability

to see the frank anti-semitism in the now deleted messages, is an indication of a moral blind spot.

My remarks are not particularly emotional. It's a simple matter of recognizing bigotry when it right in front of you, and not standing idly by.

[treestar]

29. It is that simple

Your post is just emotional reaction. The post you're responding to doesn't say any of that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Come Again

the seeker (12 posts) Mon Jul-17-06 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #18
23. Cali, get a hold of yourself
Its not bigoted to call a spade a spade. Its not ignorance to know that
the Israelis did not have anyone at the World Trade Center because
they knew it what was going to happen. WHENEVER the real story
is told about 9/11 I hope we find out whether this 'ally' told
anyone in the Whitehouse or State Department.


She's implying the Israelis blew up the World Trade Center.

I'd put that up there with the Protecols Of Zion, the Dreyfus Affair, and the Doctor's Plot.


I praise Cali for his restraint.

[cali]

34. Thanks.

Do you feel as if you've stepped through the looking glass. I'm having a hard time believing that so many DUers would ignore such blatant bigotry. Talk about letting your biases blind you.

[pdxmike]

25. Hey! Great idea! Why didn't I think of that?

Make peace with Hezbollah. Sweet! OK, let's have Israel get right on it. Oh yeah. I forgot. Hezbollah isn't the PA, or even Hamas for that matter. They have completely foresworn ANY result short of the destruction of Israel.
This isn't a matter of "fucking for chastity"(cute term). This isn't some ill-conceived attempt by "greater Israel" nuts to hold on to the West Bank.
Israel should just make nice with Hezbollah? Yeah right.

[treestar]

32. Those states are too weak to control all their terrority

So blame them for what those out of control forces do is all Israel ever does.

The Palestinian Authority can't control its territory; it's barely a state, yet every Palestinian is considered to be at fault for what one terrorist does, apparently for their failure to keep the state strong enough.

If the Israelis want to be like its patron the US and only use force and never diplomacy, have at it and take the consequences. As they have been for the past 50 years.

Sounds just like the US. Afghanis who were bombed and "deserved" to die just because their government wouldn't/couldn't keep Al Qaeda out. Punishing the ordinary people does not work. They just resent the punisher and a new hatred is born.

[treestar]

28. Interesting thought. Can they survive without the US?

The US is responsible for a lot of the BS over there, to be sure. Israel might have to use diplomacy on its own, and learn to use it.

[JackNewtown]

35. Any answers to the original post?

Surely a nation like Israel has numerous allies around the globe.