Governor Mark Warner's Mapchangers: Second Round Voting Begins!

[Penndems]

The top five candidates will receive $5,000 from Governor Warner's Forward Together PAC. The winning candidate gets a fundraiser event with the Governor!

Choose five from the east, and five from the west (you'll need to create an account to vote).

Link:
http://www.forwardtogetherpac.com/mapchangers

[FrenchieCat]

1. Ooooh Boy! $5,000 each! 5000 X 5 = $25,000!

How much did that party cost over at YrKOS? was that $50,000 to $75,000? Just askin'.

Warner has got some great PR folks working for him, cause this is a great way to build up one's mailing list for almost nothing!

[Penndems]

2. Judging from the photos posted of the party over at Kos, it looks as if

the PAC dropped a ton of dough on that party! ;)

Mark did the same thing at the Virginia State Convention back in '96 when he was running for the Senate. All the food and beverages one could eat and drink. He always throws a wonderful reception.

Trust me - Former Governor Warner only hires the cream of the crop. :D :thumbsup:

[ruggerson]

3. Frenchie

instead of constantly haranguing every thread about Mark Warner, wouldn't your energies be better spent being positive about Wes Clark?

What are you guys so afraid of? I mean, this is getting so ridiculous it borders on absurdity.

[skipos]

4. I second that. nt

[Awsi Dooger]

6. Same thing happened in '04 with the John Edwards threads

You could count on the same Clark supporters to torture those threads with the same desperate irrelevancies.

I like Wes Clark quite a bit, but his name around here means disruption to me.

[FrenchieCat]

12. relevance is relative.....

and you've got your nerves Awsi Dooger......

Cause the last time I saw you, was most likely in a Clark thread....so plueaze, let's not rewrite history.

[Awsi Dooger]

24. I'm more than willing to compare

Number of times I've posted in a Clark thread, let alone criticized him, to the times yourself and other Clark backers enter these Edwards or Warner threads.

Never anything positive or pertaining to Warner. Other than the familiar, "what about foreign policy?" I don't understand why it's necessary to stick that in every thread.

The thread you saw me in was "what candidate has the best personality?" I wrote Edwards in second place was probably the true winner since Clarkies here dominate and skew the polls. I stand by that. Again, it's commedable loyalty and support for Clark but I'm allowed to handicap the numbers based on longterm trends, and make proper adjustments.

[FrenchieCat]

26. How is winning a poll, skewing it?

Anyways, I will keep repeating and reminding folks that Warner has no foreign policy experience...since Foreign policy is all that is ever discussed on the news day after day....

Why?
Cause it is true.

So maybe you don't want me to speak the truth, but don't think that will stop me.

Guess you don't even have the presense of mind to understand that there is a specific reason why I support Wes Clark to run for President; because Foreign policy affects the world, global economics and domestic Policies directly(see 1/2 trillion gone from treasury and what that has done to our budget) and dramatically Doh!

So, NO.....I ain't gonna let folks forget that running a pol who has absolutely no experience in the area that is of most concern to not just this nation, but the world.....is dangerous in terms of thinking that's how we can win an election.....

In fact, that is the main reason that I don't believe Mark Warner could win the GE in 2008, even if he won the primaries based on the media selling him as another Southern Governor (like the one that won in 1992 when we were at peace....and the economy was the issue).

A Bin Laden tape comes out, and we lose.

I ain't letting myself get "set up" to lose.....just cause you've talked yourself into some kind of alternate scenario filmed on Planet X.

[FrenchieCat]

11. Warner must not have many threads....cause It's been a while since

I commented on Nada-National-security-Experience Mark Warner.


And yes....you are right, that I'm deathly and earnestly afraid of losing another election to the Republicans, because of those pushing the idea that what's going on in this world has nothing to do with who we want running as leader of that Free World. That's what I find utterly ridiculous.....

[ruggerson]

15. I understand the point you're making

but this is a thread about Warner giving away funds to deserving candidates. Something we should all be glad he's doing. I support any PAC on the Dem side that is helping out local candidates.

[FrenchieCat]

17. Too bad that wasn't your first response to my first post!

[JNelson6563]

33. Some of your own advice?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=122187#122193

This is a post about an extraordinary leader, General Wes Clark and what he was publicly thinking at a time when our country was in an extraordinary crisis....and is very apropos to be read by those who may have undue fears that Wes Clark, due to his having been a General, would be "into" the whole military "thing". The point is, if he wasn't into it on 9/14/01....means that it just ain't in him.That's why I posted this interesting OP-ed from 2001.As of your OT comment about you supporting Warner, Rendell or Feingold...More power to you....but it leaves me to wonder whyYou would come into this thread having absolutely nothing to say about the information I put up. Does that provide us with a map into the workings of your mind? Look, you seem nice enough, but I really don't "see" why you even bothered.

Physician heal thyself.

[Hippo_Tron]

36. It depends on who he's giving the money too

If it's 5 grand for people running for state legislature it's a big deal. If it's 5 grand for people running for Congress or Governor, then you have a fair point.

[wisteria]

5. No thanks!

I wouldn't want to encourage him.

[ruggerson]

9. You inspired me

to write four friends to take part in this. One of them got his girlfriend to do it.

So you are directly responsible for six people, including me, signing up on his site and getting involved.

Thanks!

And I'm sure Mark Warner thanks you too.

Sweet dreams!

[Zhade]

21. Unless your claim is false, designed to piss off another DUer.

:)

[ruggerson]

23. Why would I want to piss off

someone who continually and habitually disrupts positive threads about Mark Warner?

:P

[wisteria]

28. If you are refering to me, you are wrong. I generally don't post at

anything Warner, but this one seemed so phony, a come one with the promise of money.

[Douglas Carpenter]

7. does anyone know where Gov. Warner stands on foreign policy????

I've tried to search the web and I cannot find very much except generalities..

[Awsi Dooger]

10. And I hope that continues

Mark Warner is a competent handicapper. How many different ways can I shout Hallelujah!?

There is no need to force an opinion two years removed. Nothing is gained by winning the daily debate on June 19, 2006. One Democratic candidate after another has not understood that.

Play to your strengths. He'll be asked the foreign policy questions during the campaign and primaries. That's when you need an answer, not now. Besides, more recent info factored into the equation equals a superior answer.

Again, it's like the US Open, where you can't win the tournament on the first day but damn sure can lose it, as Tiger proved.

Warner did attempt some foreign policy remarks recently, on Afghanistan, etc, and they were weak. In 2008 that might have been big headlines and disqualified him. All it did now was create one or two minor threads and diaries here and on Kos.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Why? Cause it's best to keep "Hidden" what he thinks till

everyone is on the bandwagon.

That's what some might call following an empty suit!

[Douglas Carpenter]

14. that is exactly what concerns me...what does he not want people to know???

Maybe his postions are fine for all I know. I just can't respect politicians who hide their agenda. If he has nothing to hide. And maybe that is the case -- let him declare what he believes. Otherwise I have to conclude that might be hiding something.

and Why is Mark Warner Richard Perle's (PNAC) second favorite Democrat??

link:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=2596

""When a perceptive student asked about his preferences for the next president of the United States, Perle made some riveting remarks. He immediately stated his hope that Senator Joseph Lieberman would be the Democratic candidate. Failing that miracle, Perle hopes former Governor Mark Warner will win the Democratic nomination. Perle warmly praised both right-leaning Democrats who are doyens of the Democratic Leadership Council. Richard Giuliani is Perle’s favorite Republican. When asked about potential presidential candidates who would cause him concern, Perle swiftly reeled off a long list of Democrats led by Governor Howard Dean, followed closely by Senator John Kerry, former Vice President Al Gore, former Senator John Edwards, and he finished his list of neoconservative hate figures with a revealing comment about Senator Hillary Clinton. "

I would just like to know where Gov. Warner is at on foreign policy issues

that's all...

I spent hours and hours trying to look for clues and could find almost nothing except vague generalities and this:

1. He heaped praise upon Peter Beinart's latest book, "The Good Fight" which advocates a highly interventionist-highly militaristic worldview.

2. This article from the daily kos regarding comments he made regarding Venezuela and Iran - link:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/11/03338/1129

3. And a number of sites quoting the comment listed above by Richard Perle; a man who did not have anything good to say about any other Democrat - even centrist/DLC Democrats except Sen. Lieberman.

I am not saying that these point disqualify Gov. Warner. If he wants to lead the most powerful country in the history of the world, he should let the world know where he stands on foreign policy issues.

[Awsi Dooger]

25. Warner won't have a bandwagon without being competent on foreign policy

His supporters, like myself, aren't pretending otherwise.

He may not know what he thinks. Right now, he doesn't have to.

I don't want loose and uninformed and unnecessary comments from mid-2006 coming back to haunt him, or any other Democrat.

That's the way I evaluate a campaign. You can choose other ways.

[FrenchieCat]

27. Folks ain't that smart.......He'll have a bandwagon if the media

gives him one. And with folks such as yourself in the lead, many will follow without giving it a 2nd thought.

If Warner won the Primaries (if enough of us buys into the crap that in times of multiple wars, we need a Telecommunications CEO cause he's from the South (He's not even really southern on top of it) and was a good centrist governor for 4 years), and then later, Warner loses the GE, the same folks will be scratching their ass trying to figure out how it happened.

Most likely it will be a Bin Laden Tape, or the capture of a "new" Terrarist #2 man. Either way, whatever the GOP dreams up will be a way of highlighting how "weak" Democrats are to the point of them only finding a man with ZILCH experience while our soldiers continue to die.....and North Korea and Iran continue to tell Bush to kiss their ass!

[Awsi Dooger]

35. I wish folks like myself had as much influence as you think

If so, Edwards would have been the '04 nominee and we might be gearing up for re-election

Edwards/Clark. There, how 'bout that. Your guy would be the current VP, probably making all the improtant decisions overseas.

[Hippo_Tron]

38. But does he actually have opinions about foreign policy?

I agree that it's good not to get your positions on record too soon. But if he doesn't have a good grasp of foreing policy then I don't want him running the country. Mark Warner is often compared to Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. But both of those men, while they didn't have prior foreign policy experience, were absolutely brilliant and very well qualified to be commander-in-chief. Warner has to convince me that he understands foreign policy by himself and isn't just going to use the talking points that his advisors give him. Frankly the fact that he's been so reluctant to talk about it makes me very skeptical of his abilities.

[snowbear]

8. Gotta admit.. Warner is pretty internet savvy...

And it should be interesting to see how he does against our other candidates once the debates begin.

I seriously know very little about him other than his success as Virginia's Governor and his mega-wealth from being a co-founder of Nextel. That, and like Clark and Edwards, he's known for pulling in votes across the political spectrum.

My early hunch is that he'll rock when it comes to debating domestic issues; especially concerning the deficit, etc.

But on foreign affairs? I dunno.

Put him together with someone like General Clark and it seems we have the best of both worlds..

I guess they were all calling Warner a "TechnoCrat" at that KOS event. A "techie Democrat"

[shortcake]

16. These guys are good.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743286510/104-6371106-2358314?v=glance&n=283155

[mrgorth]

18. Can someone help me out with this?

I only know a couple of the Pennsyvanian's I want to help and Webb. I don't know who else to pick.

[Penndems]

29. mrgorth, I'll share my ballot choices with you:

East:
1. Virginia Senate - Jim Webb
2. Pennsylvania 08 - Patrick Murphy
3. Pennsylvania 06 - Lois Murphy
4. Pennsylvania 10 - Chris Carney
5. Pennsylvania 19 - Phil Avillo, Jr.

West:
1. Texas Governor - Chris Bell
2. Nevada Senate - Jack Carter
3. New Mexico 01 - Patricia Madrid
4. Minnesota 02 - Colleen Rowley
5. California 03 - Bill Durston

I didn't choose many Virginia candidates because I have a hunch Mark will probably do fundraisers for them anyway.

Hope this helps! :hi: :D





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[demdiva]

19. Steve Young - CA 48th!!!!

[demdiva]

20. awwe rats! he's not there

[JordanLFW]

22. Plug for Nancy Skinner MI-09

Might you want to use one of your East slots on Nancy Skinner running for Congress here in Michigan's 9th?

Nancy is a former Air America host, and a progressive Democrat. Checkout this interview with Buzzflash. That's the kinda rep I wanna see in Congress!

Nancy is endorsed by UAW, AFL-CIO, Democracy for Metro Detroit, and the National Organization for Women just to name a few.

It's a district that splits 50-50 (Kerry took 49%, Governor Granholm and Sen. Stabenow recently took 50%). Republican incumbent Joe Knollenberg is under scrutiny for taking trips to Hawaii courtesy of the travel lobby.

Nancy could also use votes in the DFA contest at http://tools.democracyforamerica.com/housevote/

[JNelson6563]

31. Nancy's got my vote!

I sure hope she wins that DFA poll. We need more Dems in DC from MI. :toast:

[Califooyah Operative]

30. Vote Jerry McNerney - Help Beat Richard Pombo!

you can also vote for Jerry McNerney in DFA's Grassroots All-Star Contest!

http://tools.democracyforamerica.com/housevote/

[JNelson6563]

32. Cast my vote. Thanks!

Any help we can give our candidates is appreciated! :toast:

[catD]

34. How do liberal Dems from Virginia feel about him?

I notice I don't like his face for some reason, which is hardly a good basis for evaluating him. I guess if/when he runs, we'll get to see him in debates, so I'll have more to go on.

I'm more liberal than he is, and I don't think there's a need to go centrist. Clinton disappointed me when he cashed in his political chips to get a Republican-supported program like NAFTA going. I'm not even commenting on NAFTA in that --- it just seemed dumb politically.

This funding thing Warner's trying may be a worthy experiment. Interesting to see who has enough grassroots support to make a go of it and interesting for bloggers to have an effect. But on the negative side, it does look like a publicity stunt to me, not an honest interest in blogger involvement (maybe that's just my suspicion shining through). And I'm wondering how the winning candidates will feel about it. Just wondering if they'll feel real gratitude or will end up a bit resentful of him for coming down on high to bestow his favors on them as the winners of a small amount of contest money where they didn't actually apply to be contestants. You know? Maybe they'll love it, especially if it were to really catch on, but I think it would probably be a better idea if a portion of official Democratic Party money were being used this way.

[snowbear]

39. Too early to tell... Kos seems to like him a LOT...

I think he'll do better than we anticipate in the primary.. but who are eventual nominee will be.. ... none of us know yet!

If Warner does run, I hope he runs with General Clark.

[RedTail Wolf]

37. Sorry Warner is not the next President,,,no charisma,

Puts me to sleep. Might be a great fence sitting middle of the roader but listening to him for more than 15 mins. is painful. Also he seems too nice to play against Rove and company! RedTail Wolf