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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:11 PM
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The Scarlet "L": How Will Kerry Deal With the Liberal Label?
He is one - thank God. But he can't appear as liberal as his lifetime record suggests he is for the election. Or can he? It's a tough box to be in, given the political climate. Rove knows this.

So what's his answer to the silly slanders of liberalism that will come from the GOP (as if they haven't started already). He can try to dodge it for awhile, but that doesn't look so good. He can't flat-out deny it, given his lifetime liberal voting record. I hope he embraces the label, and helps bring the meaning back - closer to it's dictionary definition, rather than Limbaugh's strawman liberal. That would take some convincing, tho, if we don't want to lose swing voters over it.

Either way, Rove & co. are going to keep slapping that label on him. Bring it on - maybe people will wake up & see what real liberals look like.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:12 PM
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1. Any of our guys have to deal with this....
Not one of them won't. We could run zell and they will portray him as the second coming of Marx.

The fact is we and he shouldn't even address it. Gore tried to run from it in many ways and didn't turn around until it was too late.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:13 PM
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2. HE SHOULD WEAR IT PROUDLY
I'm SICK of the demonization of liberals by the Greedy Old Pig party. WE NEED TO TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY *AND* THE LIBERAL LABEL.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:13 PM
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3. He should embrace it.
He should stand up and say he is a liberal, and explain what being a liberal is. He should talk about FDR and responsible social policies. The people who hate liberals arent voting for him no matter what, for the rest of the country he shouldnt accept the completely bogus concept that america doesnt like liberals.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:14 PM
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4. I think the "L" word is losing it supposedly negative side
After 3 years of "Compassionate Conservatism" liberalism is sound pretty good to many Americans.

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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:15 PM
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5. we need to take the word "liberal" back.
lib·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.

1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.

3. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

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Nowhere in these definitions is liberal defined as treasonous, weak, communist, or out of touch. We lay there and allow the right wing freak shows to define who we are. It's time to stand up and take our name back.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:15 PM
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6. Let me rephrase
Edited on Wed Feb-04-04 12:17 PM by sandnsea
Tired of a politics of slander and labels that reduce people to their lowest instincts. If liberal is balancing budgets, creating jobs, etc., call me a liberal. We're going to talk about issues, and then go down a list of what's wrong with this Administration. He shut Hannity down completely last night.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:16 PM
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7. Maybe this is where the antiwar crowd can actually HELP Kerry
I don't want to tip my hand, but think about it.
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iowapeacechief Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:41 PM
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17. Why be coy?
If Kerry becomes the nominee, I hope we (liberals, progressives, environmentalists--activists for peace and justice, human rights, economic justice) will line up behind him and charge the White House. No more running away from wrong, rude caricatures!

Let's stick with Dennis Kucinich and build the progressive movement that empowers the Progressive Caucus and emboldens a progressive White House!

Just think how well John Kerry could lead if he had enough of "us" behind him to feel he could stop hedging his bets!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:17 PM
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23. That's a better plan. Dissent will happen anyways
without anybody having to pretend.

:)
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:17 PM
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8. Wear it proudly
He should do what Cronkite did -- recite the definition of liberal and state that we should all be liberals. Also, say if creating a record-breaking deficit is * idea of conservative, then call me a liberal! If protecting your corporate friends and the wealthy is conservative, then call me a liberal! He should say it loud, and say it proud! DON'T DO WHAT DUKAKIS DID!
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:18 PM
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9. Hopefully he will wear it with pride as J.F. Kennedy did.
Sen. John F. Kennedy, acceptance of the New York Liberal Party Nomination, September 14, 1960.


What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

But first, I would like to say what I understand the word "Liberal" to mean and explain in the process why I consider myself to be a "Liberal," and what it means in the presidential election of 1960.

In short, having set forth my view -- I hope for all time -- two nights ago in Houston, on the proper relationship between church and state, I want to take the opportunity to set forth my views on the proper relationship between the state and the citizen. This is my political credo:

I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.

Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. And the only basic issue in the 1960 campaign is whether our government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility.

Our liberalism has its roots in our diverse origins. Most of us are descended from that segment of the American population which was once called an immigrant minority. Today, along with our children and grandchildren, we do not feel minor. We feel proud of our origins and we are not second to any group in our sense of national purpose. For many years New York represented the new frontier to all those who came from the ends of the earth to find new opportunity and new freedom, generations of men and women who fled from the despotism of the czars, the horrors of the Nazis, the tyranny of hunger, who came here to the new frontier in the State of New York. These men and women, a living cross section of American history, indeed, a cross section of the entire world's history of pain and hope, made of this city not only a new world of opportunity, but a new world of the spirit as well.

Tonight we salute Governor and Senator Herbert Lehman as a symbol of that spirit, and as a reminder that the fight for full constitutional rights for all Americans is a fight that must be carried on in 1961.

Many of these same immigrant families produced the pioneers and builders of the American labor movement. They are the men who sweated in our shops, who struggled to create a union, and who were driven by longing for education for their children and for the children's development. They went to night schools; they built their own future, their union's future, and their country's future, brick by brick, block by block, neighborhood by neighborhood, and now in their children's time, suburb by suburb.

Tonight we salute George Meany as a symbol of that struggle and as a reminder that the fight to eliminate poverty and human exploitation is a fight that goes on in our day. But in 1960 the cause of liberalism cannot content itself with carrying on the fight for human justice and economic liberalism here at home. For here and around the world the fear of war hangs over us every morning and every night. It lies, expressed or silent, in the minds of every American. We cannot banish it by repeating that we are economically first or that we are militarily first, for saying so doesn't make it so. More will be needed than goodwill missions or talking back to Soviet politicians or increasing the tempo of the arms race. More will be needed than good intentions, for we know where that paving leads.

In Winston Churchill's words, "We cannot escape our dangers by recoiling from them. We dare not pretend such dangers do not exist."

And tonight we salute Adlai Stevenson as an eloquent spokesman for the effort to achieve an intelligent foreign policy. Our opponents would like the people to believe that in a time of danger it would be hazardous to change the administration that has brought us to this time of danger. I think it would be hazardous not to change. I think it would be hazardous to continue four more years of stagnation and indifference here at home and abroad, of starving the underpinnings of our national power, including not only our defense but our image abroad as a friend.

This is an important election -- in many ways as important as any this century -- and I think that the Democratic Party and the Liberal Party here in New York, and those who believe in progress all over the United States, should be associated with us in this great effort.

The reason that Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson had influence abroad, and the United States in their time had it, was because they moved this country here at home, because they stood for something here in the United States, for expanding the benefits of our society to our own people, and the people around the world looked to us as a symbol of hope.

I think it is our task to re-create the same atmosphere in our own time. Our national elections have often proved to be the turning point in the course of our country. I am proposing that 1960 be another turning point in the history of the great Republic.

Some pundits are saying it's 1928 all over again. I say it's 1932 all over again. I say this is the great opportunity that we will have in our time to move our people and this country and the people of the free world beyond the new frontiers of the 1960s.
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:19 PM
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10. What's "Liberal"?
That he's pro-choice? Pro gun control? Pro same sex marriage? Pro environment? So what?

John Kerry is still Pro Big Business. Bottom line. And this is also something he can't run from.

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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:21 PM
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11. Be Proud of it.
Beat them to the punch and declare that he is a indeed a liberal and not one those pick pocketing conservatives that can't be trusted to give you back your tax money in services but instead give it their rich cronies. Make them defend.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:26 PM
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12. He's changing its meaning
Reason Kerry annoys me #36: He's trying to redefine liberal so he can have it both ways. Classic centrist muddying of the waters.

When asked how he will defend himself from that "charge" of being liberal on Faux last night Kerry said (slightly paraphrased):

"Well I'm not concerned with labels. If being liberal means being fiscally responsible and balancing the budget, call me a liberal. If being liberal means being for a strong defense, call me that if you want."

In otehr words, "I'm really a conservative, except I'm not because liberalism is conservatism..."

I'd have a lot more respect for him if he'd come out like Howard Dean and describe himself honestly, and defend liberalism in the process. Dean doesn't say "I'm a liberal, because liberalism is about balancing the budget." He says he is socially liberal/progressive, and fiscally conservative about balancing the budget. First you have to balance the budget, then you can afford liberal programs and policies.

The difference may sound nit-picking, but it isn't. Liberalism is not about fiscal restraint. In times like this, fiscal restraint may be necessasry to clean up GW's mess, but that isn't the core of what liberalism is about.









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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:34 PM
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14. I heard a great analogy from one of my County Commissioners
Paraphrase: People say Government should be run more like a business, but I don't see how you can do this. In business, when there are tough economic times, demand goes down - so you shrink your business to keep in step with demand.

In government, when there are tough economic times, demand goes up. So you have to grow the government to keep in step with demand. Government is nothing like a business.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:32 PM
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13. How would any of them?
All of them have of have a history of Liberalism. Except Clark (one of the many reasons I want Clark).

Rove would paint them all Liberal. Even Clark as his ties to the Democratic Platform become clear.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:39 PM
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15. Classic Liberal FDR. He got us out of the Depression & a World War.
WWFDRD?

Has a nice ring to it, actually.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:40 PM
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16. It's Up To US To Be PROUD LIBERALS!
I like Wes Clark's take on this: thank God we live in a liberal democracy!
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:43 PM
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18. The Only Way is for the Party to build its Nominee into a Mythical Figure

who is above stupid partisan labels and focus on grass-roots revival of the great ideals of Democracy and the Democratic Party.

One cannot answer petty charges directly because there are going to
be a million of them. One has to build a fortress against any and every type of attack -- Kerry support has to be made so hardenned that attacks just bounce off-- dismissed as B.S.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:44 PM
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19. Senator Skull & Backboneless will probably deny it.
Just as he denied it with his vote for war.
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King of New Orleans Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:45 PM
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20. Just point to the deficit
It ain't the liberals that got got us in this mess, it's the bonehead conservatives. Democrats should run as being responsible in contrast to the irresponsible little boy running around playing war right now.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:54 PM
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22. You are on to something, but we shouldn't run away from the word.
Edited on Wed Feb-04-04 12:55 PM by blondeatlast
The deficit will appeal to more conservative voters so we should hammer at it. How powerful will the word "liberal" become if we can throw the cheap labor, spend wildly while cutting revenue label at the Cheap Labor Conservatives?

Job loss, the economy, and the deficit are going to be the hot buttons of this election, and judging by the past 3+ years, the Pubes don't have a chance against the Democrats.

Edit: Almost forgot--welcome to DU!

:toast:
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:47 PM
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21. He could use his voting record. It ain't pretty. I just looked closer.
In another thread about Kerry and Monsanto, du-er nofurylike put up some links that I read. It was kinda sad. Kerry's a true corporateer.

Hint: The ACLU rates him at less than 50% voting on their/OUR protections against the encroaching police state. Go to aclu.org

He is a very mixed bag. You can argue for or against him with piles of history to back you up. That is very sad to me. I'm starting to miss the sound of Dean's voice already.

Dennis! Get us out of here!
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