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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 11:42 AM
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So MSNBC is trotting out every Democratic congressperson
ever accused of corruption

Never mind that the entire repuke leadership is up to their eyeballs in raw sewage right now. We need to be reminded of Traficante and Rostenkowsky (and that Clinton pardoned him).
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 11:44 AM
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1. That way they don't have to talk about...
...Tom Delay, Jack Abramoff, Duke Cunningham, Scooter Libby, etc. etc. etc...

eh?
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 11:48 AM
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2. Entire current repuke leadership - adding current slams the point home.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 11:49 AM
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3. WTF are they doing? They are spending a lot of time going over
old scandals. Hey, you idiots, there are plenty of new ones to focus on.

:wtf:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 11:52 AM
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4. MSNBC, is doing a Trafficant Retrospective as I type this
How generous

Oh ....now they're on to Rostenkowski
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primative1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:14 PM
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9. I missed the Trafficant retrospective?
Sad ... He was my favorite rep, gave the institution all the respect it deserved
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:01 PM
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5. What's the fucking point of that?
How can they even legitimize going back over twenty years to pull up every Dem that has ever been in trouble? With all the corruption that is going on presently why would they waste time going over ancient history.
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:02 PM
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6. So they can point fingers
and have something to talk about on FAUX
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:03 PM
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7. The point is to discredit Dems and have the GOP win in 2006....
It really is that simple.

When folks call it the "corporate" media....there is a reason.

The Media is not on our side; the media is on "their" side.....unfortunately for the American people.

Just remember this later.....cause they will continue to do this. Even when they start bashing Bush again!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:10 PM
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8. Dems ignore this at peril - After 04, why does the party need convincing?
Altercation Book Club: Lapdogs by Eric Boehlert

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12799378/#060518

Relatively early on in the August coverage of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth story, ABC's Nightline devoted an entire episode to the allegations and reported, "The Kerry campaign calls the charges wrong, offensive and politically motivated. And points to Naval records that seemingly contradict the charges." (Emphasis added.) Seemingly? A more accurate phrasing would have been that Navy records "completely" or "thoroughly" contradicted the Swifty. In late August, CNN's scrawl across the bottom of the screen read, "Several Vietnam veterans are backing Kerry's version of events." Again, a more factual phrasing would have been "Crewmembers have always backed Kerry's version of events." But that would have meant not only having to stand up a well-funded Republican campaign attack machine, but also casting doubt on television news' hottest political story of the summer.

When the discussion did occasionally turn to the facts behind the Swift Boat allegations, reporters and pundits seemed too spooked to address the obvious—that the charges made no sense and there was little credible evidence to support them.. Substituting as host of "Meet the Press," Andrea Mitchell on Aug. 15 pressed Boston Globe reporter Anne Kornblut about the facts surrounding Kerry's combat service: "Well, Anne, you've covered him for many years, John Kerry. What is the truth of his record?" Instead of mentioning some of the glaring inconsistencies in the Swifties' allegation, such as George Elliott and Adrian Lonsdale 's embarrassing flip-flops, Kornblut ducked the question, suggesting the truth was "subjective": "The truth of his record, the criticism that's coming from the Swift Boat ads, is that he betrayed his fellow veterans. Well, that's a subjective question, that he came back from the war and then protested it. So, I mean, that is truly something that's subjective." Ten days later Kornblut scored a sit-down interview with O'Neill. In her 1,200-word story she politely declined to press O'Neill about a single factual inconsistency surrounding the Swifties' allegations, thereby keeping her Globe readers in the dark about the Swift Boat farce. (It was not until Bush was safely re-elected that that Kornblut, appearing on MSNBC, conceded the Swift Boast ads were clearly inaccurate.)

Hosting an Aug. 28 discussion on CNBC with Newsweek's Jon Meacham and Time's Jay Carney, NBC's Tim Russert finally, after weeks of overheated Swifty coverage, got around to asking the pertinent question: "Based on everything you have heard, seen, reported, in terms of the actual charges, the content of the book, is there any validity to any of it?" Carney conceded the charges did not have any validity, but did it oh, so gently: "I think it's hard to say that any one of them is by any standard that we measure these things has been substantiated." Apparently Carney forgot to pass the word along to editors at Time magazine, which is read by significantly more news consumers than Russert's weekly cable chat show on CNBC. Because it wasn't until its Sept. 20 2004 issue, well after the Swift Boat controversy had peaked, that the Time news team managed enough courage to tentatively announce the charges levied against Kerry and his combat service were "reckless and unfair." (Better late than never; Time's competitor Newsweek waited until after the election to report the Swift Boat charges were "misleading," but "very effective.") But even then, Time didn't hold the Swifties responsible for their "reckless and unfair" charges. Instead, Time celebrated them. Typing up an election postscript in November, Time toasted the Swift Boat's O'Neill as one of the campaign's "Winners," while remaining dutifully silent about the group's fraudulent charges.

That kind of Beltway media group self-censorship was evident throughout the Swift Boat story, as the perimeters of acceptable reporting were quickly established. Witness the MSM reaction to Wayne Langhofer, Jim Russell and Robert Lambert. All three men served with Kerry in Vietnam and all three men were witnesses to the disputed March 13, 1969 event in which Kerry rescued Green Beret Jim Rassmann, winning a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart. The Swifties, after 35 years of silence, insisted Kerry did nothing special that day, and that he certainly did not come under enemy fire when he plucked Rassmann out of the drink. Therefore, Kerry did not deserve his honors.

It's true every person on Kerry's boat, along with the thankful Rassmann, insisted they were under fire, and so did the official Navy citation for Kerry's Bronze Star. Still, Swifties held to their unlikely story, and the press pretended to be confused about the stand-off. Then during the last week in August three more eyewitnesses, all backing the Navy's version of events that there had been hostile gun fire, stepped forward. They were Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

Russell wrote an indignant letter to his local Telluride Daily Planet to dispute the Swifties' claim: "Forever pictured in my mind since that day over 30 years ago John Kerry bending over his boat picking up one of the rangers that we were ferrying from out of the water. All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach; although because of our fusillade into the jungle, I don't think it was very accurate, thank God. Anyone who doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river."

The number of times Russell was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 1. On Fox News: 1. MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1. On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Like Russell, Langhofer also remembered strong enemy gunfire that day. An Aug. 22 article in the Washington Post laid out the details: "Until now, eyewitness evidence supporting Kerry's version had come only from his own crewmen. But yesterday, The Post independently contacted a participant who has not spoken out so far in favor of either camp who remembers coming under enemy fire. “There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river,” said Wayne D. Langhofer, who manned a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry’s. Langhofer said he distinctly remembered the “clack, clack, clack” of enemy AK-47s, as well as muzzle flashes from the riverbanks." (For some strange reason the Post buried its Langhofer scoop in the 50th paragraph of the story.)

The number of times Langhofer was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 0. On Fox News: 0. On MSNBC: 0. On ABC: 0. CBS: 0. NBC: 0.

As for Lambert, The Nation magazine uncovered the official citation for the Bronze Medal he won that same day and it too reported the flotilla of five U.S. boats "came under small-arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks."

The number of times Lambert was mentioned on. On Fox News: 1. On CNN: 0. On MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1 On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Additionally, the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs, who served as the paper's point person on the Swifty scandal, was asked during an Aug. 30, 2004, online chat with readers why the paper hadn't reported more aggressively on the public statements of Langhofer, Russell and Lambert. Dobbs insisted, "I hope to return to this subject at some point to update readers." But he never did. Post readers, who were deluged with Swifty reporting, received just the sketchiest of facts about Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

If that doesn't represent a concerted effort by the press to look the other way, than what does?

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:39 PM
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11. But, but, but, but . . .
the media is LIBURL!

:puke:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:54 PM
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12. Apparently the only people they've convinced is the Dems in DC.
Damn, we need to get the DNC to open its eyes and SEE the corporate media as the tool the GOPs use most to bludgeon them.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 01:01 PM
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13. the DC DNC "sees" exactly what their corporate owners
want them to "see"
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:18 PM
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10. Ike's Sherman Adams and the vicuna coat is never mentioned
The scandal of the past that most closely resembles the current uproar over lobbying excesses is the one that struck the Eisenhower administration in June 1958. Presidential Advisor Sherman Adams accepted the gift of an expensive vicuna coat. Ike found out and Adams's desk was empty before sundown. But Rove is needed for the 06 election and his legal problem is not directly tied to lobbying, unlike the crimes of our GOP Congresspersons.

But this fellow argues that many voters take it for granted that politicians can be corrupted, so the Dem approach should be to speak out on the need for a warranty on political integrity with no expiration date that covers all major defects in the way Congress does business, including its failure to check the excesses of the executive branch.Republicans did not stand by idly and enjoy the Democrats' agonies. We need a Dem "Contract with America" that, combined with the above warranty, might actually give voters more than just dissatisfaction as an incentive to vote.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-02-28-baker-edit_x.htm

Scandals don't deliver elections
By Ross K. Baker

For months now, the Democrats have been giving voice to the charge that the Republicans in Washington preside over a "culture of corruption."
The phrase was popularized by House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi in her attacks on the Bush administration for its halting response to Hurricane Katrina. The cry has been taken up by other Democrats who see the scandal involving lobbyist Jack Abramoff as the key to regaining the majority in the House and making headway in the Senate in the 2006 elections.

But when political scandals of the past are examined, it turns out that few of them have, by themselves, made much difference in the ensuing election. And it turns out that Watergate, the one modern scandal that really did have monumental electoral consequences, is something of a quirk. In those few other instances in which the party in power did suffer, other factors better explain its loss.<snip>


Ike and a vicuna coat. The scandal of the past that most closely resembles the current uproar over lobbying excesses is the one that struck the Eisenhower administration in June 1958. At that time, House Democrats charged that a Boston businessman — Bernard Goldfine, who was having problems with the Securities and Exchange Commission — had paid hotel bills for Eisenhower's chief of staff, Sherman Adams, and given Adams an expensive vicuna coat. Adams, in turn, interceded for Goldfine with the SEC.

The Democrats trumpeted the corruption theme, and the second Eisenhower midterm election in 1958 became a GOP debacle, one of the worst losses for a president's party that century. This election is often described as a turning point in American politics because liberal Democrats replaced so many conservative Republicans. Richard Nixon, then Eisenhower's vice president, wrote that, "Nov. 4, 1958, was one of the most depressing election nights I have ever known."

What undoubtedly caused the sky to fall on the GOP was not the Adams scandal but the worst recession since the end of World War II. In October 1957, the stock market had its sharpest decline since the one following Eisenhower's heart attack in 1955. Unemployment surged while consumer prices actually rose. Compared with this economic cataclysm, the hotel bills and the vicuna coat were blips on the voters' screens.
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