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heartofthesiskiyou Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 05:57 PM
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Disinformation continued - NSA Databases -Tice?
I wait impatiently to hear what Tice has to say. My concern is that he may be a part of the disinformation campaign the USA Today story represents. If Tice talks about the numerous databases that are being generated then he may be credible. If he sticks to the presentation of the relatively, (thought still illegal mind you), lesser infraction of keeping a list of everyone we have called in the last four years, then he will be judged by me as another piece of the problem.

How I entered this issue, as per my expertise in the Internet, I determined that a database, that I know for a fact is being gathered compiling web sites, e-mails, monitoring of blogs and compiling the discussions there to name just a few items they are interested in. I projected if they are doing this to the Internet; it is a reasonable theory that other databases are being gathered in other disciplines. In a search for other experts in their fields and what they were saying, I determined that data bases being developed in tracking cell phone calls, another tracking actual physical position of individuals in relation to the nearest tower receivers (updated every six seconds with a packet ping as long as the battery is in place in the cell phone), a full fledged monitoring of media including sources, articles and many times surveillance, another data base of political opposition groups including monitoring their activities and functions on issues such as war, environment and others. Another a travel database is collecting all air flights taken by all individuals for at least four years within the country. It monitors all flights and other information concerning international travel on all Americans and foreigners that travel on any American company flights.

These six data bases are well know to individuals and professionals within each of the disciplines those databases touch upon. In addition there are tons of anecdotal information that these data bases exist that appear regularly in press accounts, leaks, Web sites, inadvertent slips by security analysts and law enforcement agents, and many others.

When the USA Today article broke and the way it was being handle by MSM it was clear to me we were dealing with a disinformation campaign within the first 30 minutes. I therefore reported it here at DU as for what is. An attempt to deflect attention away from the full scale of the operation they were engaged. I continue to stand on the assessment. Until such time I see the US Congress, Tice, MSM or the NSA itself lays the facts out on the table in full view of the general public, I will continue to stand on that assessment that this is nothing less then a third rate futile attempt at disinformation perpetrated upon American society to keep the extent of the NSA activities out of the public eye and not anything less.

Cross posted in an existing thread on the direct answer concerning Tice and I beg your indilgence as I wanted to place this in a full tread of it's own.

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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:34 PM
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1. New angle! Shocking!
It all feels wrong. Especially the sort of "teaser" statements he's made.

said he plans to tell the committee staffers the NSA conducted illegal and unconstitutional surveillance of U.S. citizens while he was there with the knowledge of Hayden. I think the people I talk to next week are going to be shocked when I tell them what I have to tell them. Its pretty hard to believe, Tice said. I hope that theyll clean up the abuses and have some oversight into these programs, which doesnt exist right now.

Tice said his information is different from the Terrorist Surveillance Program that Bush acknowledged in December and from news accounts this week that the NSA has been secretly collecting phone call records of millions of Americans. Its an angle that you havent heard about yet, he said. He would not discuss with a reporter the details of his allegations, saying doing so would compromise classified information and put him at risk of going to jail. He said he will not confirm or deny if his allegations involve the illegal use of space systems and satellites.
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