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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 02:30 PM
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This came to me from a good friend of mine.....I apologize for not
having a link.....I am printing it in its entirety. Please read. I was struck by its tone.

AN APOLOGY FROM A BUSH VOTER

By Doug McIntyre

Host, McIntyre in the Morning

Talk Radio 790 KABC

There’s nothing harder in public life than admitting you’re wrong. By the way, admitting you’re wrong can be even tougher in private life. If you don’t believe me, just ask Bill Clinton or Charlie Sheen. But when you go out on the limb in public, it’s out there where everyone can see it, or in my case, hear it.

So, I’m saying today, I was wrong to have voted for George W. Bush. In historic terms, I believe George W. Bush is the worst two-term President in the history of the country. Worse than Grant. I also believe a case can be made that he’s the worst President, period.

In 2000, I was a McCain guy. I wasn’t sure about the Texas Governor. He had name recognition and a lot of money behind him, but other than that? What? Still, I was sick of all the Clinton shenanigans and the thought of President Gore was… unthinkable. So, GWB became my guy.

For the first few months he was just flubbing along like most new Presidents, no great shakes, but no disasters either. He cut taxes and I like tax cuts.

Then September 11th happened. September 11th changed everything for me, like it did for so many of you. After September 11th, all the intramural idiocy of American politics stopped being funny. We had been attacked by a vicious and determined enemy and it was time for all of us to row in the same direction.


And we did for the blink of an eye. I believed the President when he said we were going to hunt down Bin Laden and all those responsible for the 9-11 murders. I believed President Bush when he said we would go after the terrorists and the nations that harbored them.

I supported the President when he sent our troops into Afghanistan, after all, that’s where the Taliban was, that’s where al-Qaida trained the killers, that’s where Bin Laden was.

And I cheered when we quickly toppled the Taliban government, but winced when we let Bin Laden escape from Tora-Bora.

Then, the talk turned to Iraq and I winced again.

I thought the connection to 9-11 was sketchy at best. But Colin Powell impressed me at the UN, and Tony Blair was in, and after all, he was a Clinton guy, not a Bush guy, so I thought the case had to be strong. I was worried though, because I had read the Wolfowitz paper, “The Project for the New American Century.” It’s been around since ‘92, and it raised alarm bells because it was based on a theory, “Democratizing the Middle East” and I prefer pragmatism over theory. I was worried because Iraq was being justified on a radical new basis, “pre-emptive war.” Any time we do something without historical precedent I get nervous.

But the President shifted the argument to WMDs and the urgent threat of Iraq getting atomic weapons. The debate turned to Saddam passing nukes on to terror groups. After 9-11, the risk was too great. As the President said, “The next smoking gun might be a mushroom cloud.” At least that’s what I thought at the time.

I grew up in New York and watched them build the World Trade Center. I worked with a guy, Frank O’Brien, who put the elevators in both towers. I lost a very close friend on September 11th. 103 floor, tower one, Cantor Fitzgerald. Tim Coughlin was his name. If we had to take out Iraq to make sure something like that, or worse, never happened again, so be it. I knew the consequences. We have a soldier in our house. None of this was theoretical in my house.

But in the months and years since shock and awe I have been shocked repeatedly by a consistent litany of excuses, alibis, double-talk, inaccuracies, bogus predictions, and flat out lies. I have watched as the President and his administration changed the goals, redefined the reasons for going into Iraq, and fumbled the good will of the world and the focus necessary to catch the real killers of September 11th.

I have watched the President say the commanders on the ground will make the battlefield decisions, and the war won’t be run from Washington. Yet, politics has consistently determined what the troops can and can’t do on the ground and any commander who did not go along with the administration was sacked, and in some cases, maligned.

I watched and tried to justify the looting in Iraq after the fall of Saddam. I watched and tried to justify the dismantling of the entire Iraqi army. I tired to explain the complexities of building a functional new Iraqi army. I urged patience when no WMDs were found. Then the Vice President told us we were in the “waning days of the insurgency.” And I started wincing again. The President says we have to stay the course but what if it’s the wrong course?

It was the wrong course. All of it was wrong. We are not on the road to victory. We’re about to slink home with our tail between our legs, leaving civil war in Iraq and a nuclear armed Iran in our wake. Bali was bombed. Madrid was bombed. London was bombed. And Bin Laden is still making tapes. It’s unspeakable. The liberal media didn’t create this reality, bad policy did.

Most historians believe it takes 30-50 years before we get a reasonably accurate take on a President’s place in history. So, maybe 50 years from now Iraq will be a peaceful member of the brotherhood of nations and George W. Bush will be celebrated as a visionary genius.

But we don’t live fifty years in the future. We live now. We have to make public policy decisions now. We have to live with the consequences of the votes we cast and the leaders we chose now.

After five years of carefully watching George W. Bush I’ve reached the conclusion he’s either grossly incompetent, or a hand puppet for a gaggle of detached theorists with their own private view of how the world works. Or both.

Presidential failures. James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce, Jimmy Carter, Warren Harding-— the competition is fierce for the worst of the worst. Still, the damage this President has done is enormous. It will take decades to undo, and that’s assuming we do everything right from now on. His mistakes have global implications, while the other failed Presidents mostly authored domestic embarrassments.

And speaking of domestic embarrassments, let’s talk for a minute about President Bush’s domestic record. Yes, he cut taxes. But tax cuts combined with reckless spending and borrowing is criminal mismanagement of the public’s money. We’re drunk at the mall with our great grandchildren’s credit cards. Whatever happened to the party of fiscal responsibility?

Bush created a giant new entitlement, the prescription drug plan. He lied to his own party to get it passed. He lied to the country about its true cost. It was written by and for the pharmaceutical industry. It helps nobody except the multinationals that lobbied for it. So much for smaller government. In fact, virtually every tentacle of government has grown exponentially under Bush. Unless, of course, it was an agency to look after the public interest, or environmental protection, and/or worker’s rights.

I’ve talked so often about the border issue, I won’t bore you with a rehash. It’s enough to say this President has been a catastrophe for the wages of working people; he’s debased the work ethic itself. “Jobs Americans won’t do!” He doesn’t believe in the sovereign borders of the country he’s sworn to protect and defend. And his devotion to cheap labor for his corporate benefactors, along with his worship of multinational trade deals, makes an utter mockery of homeland security in a post 9-11 world. The President’s January 7th, 2004 speech on immigration, his first trial balloon on his guest worker scheme, was a deal breaker for me. I couldn’t and didn’t vote for him in 2004. And I’m glad I didn’t.

Katrina, Harriet Myers, The Dubai Port Deal, skyrocketing gas prices, shrinking wages for working people, staggering debt, astronomical foreign debt, outsourcing, open borders, contempt for the opinion of the American people, the war on science, media manipulation, faith based initives, a cavalier attitude toward fundamental freedoms-- this President has run the most arrogant and out-of-touch administration in my lifetime, perhaps, in any American’s lifetime.


You can make a case that Abraham Lincoln did what he had to do, the public be damned. If you roll the dice on your gut and you’re right, history remembers you well. But, when your gut led you from one business failure to another, when your gut told you to trade Sammy Sosa to the Cubs, and you use the same gut to send our sons and daughters to fight and die in a distraction from the real war on terror, then history will and should be unapologetic in its condemnation.


None of this, by the way, should be interpreted as an endorsement of the opposition party. The Democrats are equally bankrupt. This is the second crime of our age. Again, historically speaking, its times like these when America needs a vibrant opposition to check the power of a run-amuck majority party. It requires it. It doesn’t work without one. Like the high and low tides keep the oceans alive, a healthy, positive opposition offers a path back to the center where all healthy societies live.

Tragically, the Democrats have allowed crackpots, leftists and demagogic cowards to snipe from the sidelines while taking no responsibility for anything. In fairness, I don’t believe a Democrat president would have gone into Iraq. Unfortunately, I don’t know if President Gore would have gone into Afghanistan. And that’s one of the many problems with the Democrats.

The two party system has always been clumsy and imperfect, but it has only collapsed once, in the 1850s, and the result was civil war.

I believe, as I have said countless times, the two party system is on the brink of a second collapsed. It’s currently running on spin, anger, revenge, and pots and pots and pots of money.

We’re being governed by paper-mache patriots; brightly painted red, white and blue, but hollow to the core. Both parties have mastered the cynical arts of media manipulation and fund raising. They’ve learned the lessons of Watergate and burn the tapes. They have learned to divide the nation for their own gain. They have demonstrated the willingness to exploit any tragedy for personal advantage. The contempt they have for the American people is without parallel.

This is painful to say, and I’m sure for many of you, painful to read. But it’s impossible to heal the country until we’re willing to acknowledge the truth no matter how painful. We have to wean ourselves off sugar coated partisan lies.

With a belated tip of the cap to Ralph Nader, the system is broken, so broken, it’s almost inevitable it pukes up the Al Gores and George W. Bushes. Where are the Trumans and the Eisenhowers? Where are the men and women of vision and accomplishment? Why do we have to settle for recycled hacks and malleable ciphers? Greatness is always rare, but is basic competence and simple honesty too much to ask?

It may be decades before we have the full picture of how paranoid and contemptuous this administration has been. And I am open to the possibility that I’m all wet about everything I’ve just said. But I’m putting it out there, because I have to call it as I see it, and this is how I see it today. I don’t say any of this lightly. I’ve thought about this for months and months. But eventually, the weight of evidence takes on a gravitational force of its own.

I believe that George W. Bush has taken us down a terrible road. I don’t believe the Democrats are offering an alternative. That means we’re on our own to save this magnificent country. The United States of America is a gift to the world, but it has been badly abused and it’s rightful owners, We the People, had better step up to the plate and reclaim it before the damage becomes irreparable.

So, accept my apology for allowing partisanship to blind me to an obvious truth; our President is incapable of the tasks he is charged with. I almost feel sorry for him. He is clearly in over his head. Yet, he doesn’t generate the sympathy Warren Harding earned. Harding, a spectacular mediocrity, had the self-knowledge to tell any and all he shouldn’t be President. George W. Bush continues to act the part, but at this point whose buying the act?

Does this make me a waffler? A flip-flopper? Maybe, although I prefer to call it realism. And, for those of you who never supported Bush, its also fair to accuse me of kicking Bush while he’s down. After all, you were kicking him while he was up.

You were right, I was wrong.

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 02:34 PM
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1. Linkiepoo for you, Ms. Peggy...
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 02:36 PM
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3. Thank you!
I am hopeless at finding these....I'll see if I can revise the post...
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:15 PM
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12. direct link
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 02:35 PM
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2. Peggy, I'm posting
this thread only so you can read the varying responses. I knew I'd seen that before, and it seems McIntyre's motives might be less than pure. :hi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1121541
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 02:37 PM
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5. It is always good to become more enlightened......
I don't know the guy, but this apology seemed sincere to me....
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 02:37 PM
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4. K&R. What a great read. WTF is it gonna take for the other 31% to
wake the f*ck up?

:banghead:
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 02:41 PM
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6. Another story of how the Republicans became the lost party.
Somewhere along the way, the party took a hard right and its supporters went straight. Now one doesn't know where the other is. Thanks for posting this, I enjoyed reading it since it reminded me of a few Republicans I'm close to. They're saying about the same thing.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 02:41 PM
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7. So, there is a light in the attic.
The rabid partisanship makes it difficult if not impossible for those that rode the BushCo Train to disembark. It would seem a no-brainer to most of us, but admitting you're wrong is really a challenge.

Thanks for posting this, Peggy. It gives me hope that sanity might prevail.

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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 02:51 PM
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8. In ten, twenty years...
we're going to be getting apologies from all sorts of once-rabid Bush fans. As this administration takes a nose dive, many commentators are going to be jumping ship like rats on a sinking barge.
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Xeric Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 02:59 PM
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9. One line stood out for me
"None of this, by the way, should be interpreted as an endorsement of the opposition party. The Democrats are equally bankrupt."

And this is why I have been saying that the disapproval ratings DO NOT translate into an easy win for Democrats unless the Democrats have a convincing message and define the opposition in terms even the dolts can understand. They don't and they haven't. They need to define WHY we as Democrats were against the neocon idiocy and WHY we are the party of equality and fairness. The Democrats can't play Republican lite or avoid the tough issues as they have been doing in my district or they will lose. The real possiblitly exists, and you can read it between the lines in the "apology" from this guy, that a third party led by an even more dangerous demogogue will emerge and lead us into an even worse disaster.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:12 PM
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11. Yes, I agree completely....
It seems to me as though the farther away from the grassroots the Dem leadership gets, the less backbone they have.....

The real passion, the real ideas seem to come from the party base.....

Somehow we need to get our passions and our ideas up to the so-called leaders, so that these ideas can be implemented.

Thanks for posting!
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:17 PM
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14. Great post!
and you're absolutely right. We need to make it clear to our Dem leaders that we don't want "centrist" candidates.
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:05 PM
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10. A good explanation of Republican thinking.
The cycle that followed 9-11, perfectly designed to bring in honourable right-wingers and did capture so many.

It takes a big shock, and then some courage to admit what happened.
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:16 PM
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13. "I regret voting Bush, but I'll NEVER vote for a Democrat"
This is basically what this author is saying. Willing to eat crow for his support of Bush the Lesser, he still gives no consideration that his negative view of Gore was also skewed. He paints Democrats as passive, even when they've had no control over any branch of government.

Did this guy vote for Kerry? Just a guess, but I imagine not. He probably voted for a Libertarian or something. In his mind, it's enough that he did NOT vote for Bush in 04.

But, this guy is still as partisan as he ever was. He'll continue to be deceived by lies because he has the idea that only Republicans make good leaders.

This, as we know, is nuts.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:39 PM
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17. Bingo. n/t
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riona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:11 PM
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20.  I second your bingo
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:32 PM
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28. Yep. he reminds me a bit of Kitchener as described by Lloyd
George. When everyone else was convinced WWI would be over by Christmas, Kitchener differed, saying that it would be a long, hard struggle. But such insights by him were very rare, to say the least. So rare, in fact, that Lloyd George commented on this insight, to the effect that Kitchener was like one of those great lighthouses, which, for a brief moment, lit up the whole of the landscape(seascape), then once again left it all in total darkness.

This bloke doesn't have anything like even Kitchener's stature, of course, but in moments of forgetfulness, he writes a few passages of real, radical, Democratic, purple prose. Brief reality checks, verging on the inspiring, then once again his world plunges into total darkness. A confused gentleman, who needs to get his head/heart sorted out.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:15 PM
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38. And he doesn't offer any solutions...
Edited on Tue May-09-06 01:15 PM by Misunderestimator
This letter actually seems more critical to me of democrats than of republicans. He is only saying that this administration sucks, but it's pretty damn clear he wouldn't vote for a democrat to fix anything.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:37 PM
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39. You hit it
Edited on Tue May-09-06 01:40 PM by WildEyedLiberal
This man's testimony doesn't "inspire" me one bit. It's clear he has not BOTHERED to give one iota of consideration to the plans and ideas or Gore or Kerry - they're probably too "leftist" for him.

Read this closer, people, and for a moment, just stop screeching with glee about the anti-Bush rhetoric. This guy is STILL a RW nutjob. Notice the Minuteman-esque rhetoric about immigration. Notice his vast overgeneralizations and lies about Democrats, his contempt for "leftists." Obviously he has no such contempt for "rightists." You think this guy liked Kerry's health care for all proposal? You think this guy supported Gore's pro-environment policies? This asshole spreads the lie that Democrats are so pussy "Gore wouldn't have gone into Afghanistan." Yeah, he's clearly evaluating the Democrats impartially. :eyes:

We need to STOP lionizing every single asshat who says Bush sucks. Lots of people think Bush sucks, because guess what - only the super-duper Kool-Aid drinking True Believers STILL believe in him. A LOT of people hate Bush from the RIGHT - because he doesn't advocate the death penalty for illegal immigrants, or because they believe the war in Iraq was wrong because it keeps the troops from guarding our borders.

Look, people. Tom Tancredo thinks Bush is too liberal. Pat Buchanan thinks Bush sucks. Tom Metzger, the godfather of the Aryan Pride movement in the United States, thinks Bush sucks and is only fighting the Iraq War for the "Zionist kike regime." Kim Jong Il and Ahmedinejad think Bush sucks. Do we want to start cheering on these people just because they hate Bush?

I don't think so. And frankly, I don't see anything to cheer on in this essay. This fool is still a right-winger who just feels duped because Bush is a BAD dictator. You can bet if we had been able to subjugate the Iraqi population into total submission in six months, this asshole wouldn't be complaining about the invasion.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:31 PM
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15. And he continues to be wrong about Al Gore.
I'm glad he sees the light about Bush, I really am. Now we just need that other 31% to wake the fuck up. But if he's so aware of how badly bungled the Katrina aftermath was, then he should also be aware of how Al Gore was an *INCREDIBLE* leader during that disaster. He was a leader when he didn't have to be, when there were no photographers, pollsters or pundits around. He had nothing to gain by pitching in and helping when he could've written a check to the Red Cross and made a few pointed remarks about the incompetency of Bu$hCo. No one would've thought ill of him if that's all he did. But he stepped up and got A LOT done (without government support, without state and federal agencies, without the powers of office). He just rolled up his sleeves and he made a fucking difference. If the tables were turned would Bush have done anything? LOL! He did nothing to help and he was in charge of the fucking country!

What difference has Bush ever made? Or should I say, what positive change has Bush ever made? Every single thing he touches, whether it's domestic or foreign policy, health care, education, the environment, the economy, is worse off for his attention.

Sorry, I really appreciate the author admitting his error. But I did not appreciate the little snipes at Gore. Clearly if he could be so wrong about Bush (so utterly, completely, glaringly wrong), isn't it also possible he's wrong about Gore?
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:37 PM
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16. A big bone to pick -- with his assessment of Gore
In fairness, I don’t believe a Democrat president would have gone into Iraq. Unfortunately, I don’t know if President Gore would have gone into Afghanistan. And that’s one of the many problems with the Democrats.


I, too, don't know what Gore would have done, but I am sick unto death of this painting of Dems as some sort of gutless wonders. RWers seem to forget that the first bombers of the WTC were ALL captured and imprisoned; and that Clinton's foray into Kosovo and Bosnia was hailed as horrible, just horrible, by the conservatives at the time. Whatever Gore would have done -- if 9/11 had even happened on his watch -- I'm sure would have been worlds more effective than what we have seen from dimson.
:mad:
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:11 PM
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21. When these a**holes speculate about what Gore would have or
would not have done, I tell them he would have stopped the terror attack on 9-11 before it happened.
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:37 PM
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24. Yup, Gore would've read the memo
and who knows, 9/11 might still be just a number to call in an emergency...
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:45 PM
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25. Gore wouldn't have gone into Afghanistan
Edited on Mon May-08-06 04:52 PM by Tactical Progressive
because 9/11 wouldn't have come close to happening.

And Republicans would be screaming their deeply-held, Dems-in-control mantra: "WE'RE NOT THE WORLD'S POLICEMAN!" if Gore had attempted any form of international interventionism, no matter the cause. When Dems are in power there's no 'God wants us to spread democracy' - it's 'We don't believe in Nayshun-Building'.

They would also be blocking every attempt at air travel security and financial means to track terrorism, in service of their corporate money-hiding constituency, just as they did when Clinton was President and he and Gore were trying to protect us from terrorism.

These people see things ONE WAY: THEIR WAY. Republicans are simply pure ego. Nobody else has the RIGHT to use the US military no matter the cause, and nobody else has the RIGHT to question their use of the US military regardless of whether or not they are lying up one side and down the other when they do it.

In their minds they are the only ones entitled to America, and they are supremely entitled to it.

Douggie doesn't understand any of that; he's just trying to cut himself free from the monumental failure of pure Republicanism that this Republican president and this Republican Congress have brought us to.

If Bush had decimated social spending to pay for this half-trillion dollar travesty in Iraq and his three-trillion in tax cuts for 'middle-class' millionaires, Doug would still be on board, make no mistake. Republicans don't do contrition; they point fingers and pass the blame. That's all this is. People like Doug never grow up.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:39 PM
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18. K&R
I already read this once, but it's definitely worth another read!
The poor guy, but I'm glad self-preservation and good sense kicked in for him.:-)
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:58 PM
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19. morning talk radio here in LA has huge following
i hope listeners got an earful this morning.

i didn't because i listen only to Air America and refuse to get into any of our cars if DH has talk radio on. He knows the drill and turns it to an oldies station before i get in!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:16 PM
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22. It's like the story of the old woman and the snake.
This old woman's out in the snow when she find a snake half frozen to death.

Being an animal lover she brings the snake in, warms in up, and nurses it back to health.

As soon as it's OK, it bites her. And as she's writhing in pain and dying an agonizing death she asks, "why did you bite me?"

And the snake says, "bitch, you knew I was a snake."

Well, I've got no sympathy for Bush voters. They knew he was a snake.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:37 PM
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23. Self delete. n/t
Edited on Mon May-08-06 04:41 PM by Uncle Joe
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:01 PM
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26. VERY interesting.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:01 PM
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27. Let's see how this hate radio star behaves this fall and in 08
I predict most of these tools will in 2008 be on the Jeb/Condi/McCain/Frist bandwagon just like they were Smirk's. Hopefully this particular one will see the light and give Dems a chance for a few years.
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:51 PM
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29. How could intelligent people believe the lies in the first place?
I always am amazed at how seemingly knowledgeable people like this got taken by Bush. None of us did. We are no more smarter then the average Joe out there.

Also I don't like the idea that "the Dems are just as bad." That is just scapegoating IMHO.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:02 PM
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30. K&R for our Dear Peggy.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:50 PM
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31. link
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:09 AM
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32. He talks like Bush is some anomaly in the republican party
Edited on Tue May-09-06 12:10 AM by joeprogressive
when in fact he completely embodies their entire philosophy. I appreciate his apology but as others have said it is empty if he isn't going to give Dems a chance. I mean even if the Dems had no plan at all and ran the most lukewarm candidate it shouldn't matter. This president's performance should be a wake up call to America that change must occur. They held power in every branch and blew it.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:54 AM
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36. absolutely!
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:45 PM
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40. Exactly
That's why WE need to stop cheering on these RW fools who have an "epiphany" and decide they hate Bush. Given this idiot's immigration rhetoric, he'd probably support someone like Tancredo if he ran in the Republican primary.

We need to stop making our criticism and contempt all about Bush and start making it all about the Republican party and the conservative philosophy. Bush is near irrelevant at this point - we need to attack the entire corrupt conservative power structure and destroy it from the roots, not just snipe away at Bush, who is becoming more irrelevant with each passing day. We won't be facing Bush in 2008 - we need to attack EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE GOP.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:38 AM
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33. i find this to be a highly partisan apology...
a kind of "ours fucked up...but yours isnt any better"...utter crap!
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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:48 AM
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34. Yes, there are some interesting points but it still sends...
an "it's not my fault" kind of message.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:53 AM
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35. exactly...as though a dem president would have made equally big mistakes
which is utter non-sense....i didnt agree with all of clintons policies but we didnt get stuck in unbearable debt/trade deficits/war because of clinton!

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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:49 PM
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41. Yes, and it reminds me of some of my RW friends
They explained their votes for Bush by saying "Yeah he's dumb and I don't like him, but he's better than (Gore/Kerry)!"

Utterly intellectually weak, troglodyte hogwash. I have no patience for it or for any RW fool who qualifies their "dislike" of their guy by simply saying "well, yours is worse, though." Because that lets their IDEOLOGY off the hook. When they can blame all the GOP's problems on one man, their odious hatemongering warmongering anti-worker anti-citizen philosophy gets off scot free.

He's blaming Bush for his LIES and INCOMPETENCE, NOT for his radical right-wing dangerous ideology. This man is still a RW faithful, and he can shove his "apology" up his ass.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:58 PM
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37. Carter="failure" ? Camp David Accords by itself...
was more help to the world than this Boy Idiot has done in 6 years!

and btw...John Kerry and I have been friends for 35 years...he is anything BUT a Paper Mache' Patriot.:argh:
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:56 PM
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42. He only thinks he was wrong to support Bush - not the GOP
He doesn't think it's wrong to support a hatemongering, bigoted, anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-worker, anti-freedom, anti-civil liberties, warmongering, xenophobic radical fascist theocratic right-wing fundie political party that feeds like a parasite off of hate and fear.

His apology is therefore worthless. Bush is irrelevant; he won't be on the ballot in 2008. I could care less that this RW tool hates Bush - I'll bet you anything he won't hate George Allen, Tom Tancredo, John McCain, or any other hateful fascist extremist pig.

He and his hateful RW bilge and ignorant, knuckle-biting stereotypes of Democrats and leftists can kiss my liberal patriotic ass, because I'm tired of filth like this ruining my country. Bush is dead weight to the conservative agenda, and his massive failure and abysmal polls are dragging the whole GOP ship down with him. This tool, like so many other RW whores, is just jettisoning Bush because he has become a liability to their evil agenda, not because he's had a genuine change of heart. Fuck him.
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