My discussion with my two repub sisters

[blue cat]

I asked them if they were embarrassed now for voting for Bush. One of them said no, the other said that she hated Bush and said that everyone does now. Wow. She said it was because of the immigrant issues, and that she wished he would be impeached because of it. I also said that we each owe 30,000 for our debt, and my sister who still believes in Bush said that it has always been that way. They don't like talking about politics much anymore since things are going so badly, but they sure as hell did when they were gloating and chanting flip flop or some bushit.

[calimary]

1. I always appreciate testimonials like this.

It's MOST intriguing and instructive to hear how other people think nowadays, especially those who used to be Koolaid drinkers. To see signs of them coming around tells me we may yet save our country.

[blue cat]

6. The one who has changed her mind

said that she was addicted to talk radio (conservative) - Savage is her favorite. She said that she also listens to NPR. She said that she likes Bill Richardson's ideas about immigration, which I have never, ever heard her say one decent thing about any democrat. She is the type that loved the purple bandaid thing. I'm not sure that she is ready to vote D, but she isn't so starry eyed about Bush anymore. She used to yell at me for being disrespectful, etc. for criticizing Bush. She is a still a fundie through and through. All I can say is WOW.

[Sinti]

12. Addicted to talk radio

This is an interesting factor in a lot of *bots. There must be an endorphin rush or something that the anger, intensity, and hate-mongering on talk radio brings about in some people's brains, like a football game or something. It seems that some folks need this, and they need an enemy to feel good, like they're better than others, or their lives have meaning or something -- maybe these addicts need detox. Hmmm... :think:

[PassingFair]

22. The side of truth SERIOUSLY underestimated the power

... of AM radio in this country.
We let them run their sewer-mouths for
TWENTY YEARS without a decent rebuttal.

[Hissyspit]

2. No it hasn't always been that way.

Bush has racked up more foreign-owned American debt than all previous presidents in U.S. history.

Your sister is spouting the talking points, and no offense, but she is full of shit.

[gratuitous]

3. For your dim sister . . .

Remind her that her family's share of the national debt had been going down under Bill Clinton, as we actually had budget surpluses. There was even some talk that the U.S. Savings Bond program might have to be abolished, because there would be no more public debt to finance.

Well, those days are gone, and will be gone for good unless the reverse-Robin Hoods of the GOP have their greedy mitts wrenched off the levers of power. Dick Cheney, a public servant, got an enormous tax refund this year; how much did your sister get?

[Vexatious Ape]

9. Yes, and the outgoing CEO at

Exxon is getting a retirement package of 400 million. The bush economic model has worked strikingly well for that asshole--even better than Shotgun Cheney's.

[blue cat]

10. Ya know I tried

but she kept telling me that I was wrong, and that we have always had this debt, and it had nothing to do about Bush. She just wouldn't believe that there is a problem. He husband is an executive for a fast food restaurant, so she will never be a D. Fox is always turned on in there home, in fact she goes to sleep with it on.

[aquart]

11. and if sis got a refund.......

how much of it went to pay higher gas prices, higher state taxes, higher fees for everything the government offers or regulates, higher food prices.......

ask if she's putting more away now than under Clinton...

Oh, and be sure to ask about her insurance prices...if she lives in a flood plain, or tornado alley, or if she worries about where her water is going to come from with privatization of water resources and global warming......

So many fun topics over the jelly beans and chocolate bunnies. Speaking of which, does it worry your dear sisters that the levees haven't been adequately repaired for a cat 5 and all our sugar and oil refining capacity is in the gulf? But that's a bonus question.

And they think immigration is the issue? More like emigration when the roof lifts right off their houses.

[silverojo]

4. It wasn't ALWAYS that way

When Clinton was in office, the debt was eradicated.

[Hissyspit]

7. Deficit was eradicated, not the debt. n/t

[blue cat]

8. When I first heard that Bush

was running for pres, the first thing that I thought of was the movie "The Omen". Thanks for the post.

[serryjw]

5. It really is a lot worse

children can't pay so the parents have to assume that burden.Since our wars are 'supplementals' they are not part of the debt...NO ONE is taking into account the PROMISE of SS & medicare to the boomers.

[gglor]

13. The really terrible tragedy of these hopeless bushman is

they have such a low IQ and they are not able to understand anything other than what they are told to do. Kind of zombism, like really dumb and not necessarily blond. I do not mean to offend you. I have seen this blind ignorance in my own x friends.

Then what is totally evil is there are the republicans that vote for bush cause that is where their money is or comes from.

No matter the reason, they really are traitors.

[blue cat]

16. No offense at all

Good to know that there are others who know what it is like.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

14. Yes, but how will they vote in 06 and 08 is the key question, not whether

they hate shrub, will they be "sold" on the next Repub brand name candidate?

[blue cat]

15. Sold on the next R

would be my guess. They enjoy conservative radio too much to ever be dems.

[niceypoo]

17. I work with someone simular...

he realizes that the whole GOP agenda is based on Kleptomania. He says that he voted for Bush based on his abortion views. He is scared to death that Bush is the anti-christ and that he might go straight to hell with him for enabling his wars and thievery........but then he defaults into ranting about France or some other long worn out talking point of the day. Obviously a lot of that crap is just brainwashed into his head. He will yell about Bushes fucked up Iraq invasion then start ranting about "Old Europe". I remind him that the whole "Old Europe" and "France" talking points came from them OPPOSING Bushes Iraq invasion.....that he is against the war and for it at the same time when he says stuff like that. Being bombarded with that crap for so long then seeing the light really has his brain scrambled up as to what is real and what isn't. Its almost surreal talking about this stuff with him.

[rman]

18. strange...

Illegal war, lying to the American people, undermining civil rigts, domestic spying...

Nothing.

But W should be impeached because of the immigration thing..?

[Nomen Tuum]

19. I'm in the same boat.

Both my sisters LOVE Bush and worship the ground he walks on because he is a Christian.

Nothing you can say to them will change their minds!

[Justice]

20. I have found that the few bush lovers I know also get angry when

you talk about how badly things are going. It is amazing how thinned skinned they are -- they don't even really try to defend Bush, they just get all testy and ask that we stop talking about it.

[gglor]

21. they have no answer and they know they could be wrong

but will not dare admit it. I had a run in with one of those republicans whose job depends on being republican. I got right in his face, and confronted him heavy. Then I refused to talk to him at all.

Last week, after 3 months of silence I heard thru a committee member that he had no choice and that he was even afraid to talk about it, it would cause him the loss of his job. 2 and 2 makes four nsa spying, he was formerly in the military and now his daughter is in the military.

How he votes, who knows. But thats the only concession I have gotten from these bushmen.

My family is just now realizing they have to fight back. They kept saying can't happen. I had to remind them of vietnam, nixon and how unarmed students on their own campuses were shot and killed. That fight was bloody.