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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 11:00 PM
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Hey, Fellow Americans, REMEMBER WHEN ...?
REMEMBER WHEN you displayed your flag on the front porch on the 4th of July, and you didnt have to worry about whether it would be misinterpreted as support for a corrupt president and his administration?

REMEMBER WHEN Support the Troops meant equipping our military with everything necessary for battle, instead of just being a catchy phrase that looked good on a bumper-sticker?

REMEMBER WHEN your tax dollars paid for things like improved education and social programs, instead of making Halliburton shareholders millionaires?

REMEMBER WHEN you watched movies about WWII, and it was the enemy who tortured captured American soldiers, instead of American soldiers torturing the people theyd allegedly liberated?

REMEMBER WHEN you heard something on the TV news or read something in a newspaper, and you didnt have to go to the internet to find out just how much of it was fact, and how much of it was spin?

REMEMBER WHEN a politician was caught with his hand in the cookie jar and he resigned in disgrace, instead of excusing his own behaviour by claiming that his political opponents were equally as guilty of wrongdoing?

REMEMBER WHEN Made in the USA labels on products were the norm, and not a total oddity?

REMEMBER WHEN Made in the USA labels were actually made in the USA?

REMEMBER WHEN you hitchhiked through Europe as a teenager, and you DIDNT have to replace the American flag on your knapsack with a Canadian flag in order to be a welcomed guest in a foreign country?

REMEMBER WHEN organized crime figures had to make phone calls from the corner phone booth, because they were the only people who had to worry about wire-taps?

REMEMBER WHEN you were considered to be a worker of value because you were an American with a good work ethic, and not because you were a Pakistani or an Indian who would do the same job on the cheap?

REMEMBER WHEN telling a fellow politician on the floor of the House to go f*ck himself was considered behaviour unbecoming an elected official, instead of being accepted as the way a Vice President behaves himself?

REMEMBER WHEN you could pretty well count on the fact that if the president said it, it was based on sound intelligence and was probably true?

REMEMBER WHEN your president spoke in public, and his words werent the punch-line to late night TV-show jokes?

REMEMBER WHEN you could rely on your elected representatives to put your interests ahead of the corporations that filled their campaign coffers, or the lobbyists who gave them great basketball tickets?

REMEMBER WHEN you didnt even KNOW what religion the people you voted for were, because it didnt really matter? Remember when you didnt know what party your neighbour belonged to, because that didnt really matter either?

REMEMBER WHEN the pension youd worked for your whole life wasnt in danger of being wiped out by corrupt CEOs, assisted by respected accounting firms that made that corruption almost impossible to detect?

REMEMBER WHEN you could brag that as an American, you were guaranteed things like free speech and due process of law, without checking the nightly news to see whether those rights were still in effect?

REMEMBER WHEN the president upheld the law of the land, instead of coming up with legal loopholes to support the idea that hes above the law?

REMEMBER WHEN you could say, Im a proud American, without qualifying it with a list of all of the things your government is doing that youre not exactly proud of?

REMEMBER WHEN you saw news stories about people so poor they had to beg on the streets in order to feed their children, and you shook your head in disgust and thought, What kind of uncivilized country would allow that to happen, because it wasnt your own country?

REMEMBER WHEN you actually thought that the people in charge of running your country were smarter than you were?

REMEMBER WHEN your parents worked all their lives to ensure you a better life, instead of worrying about how bad the life theyd be leaving their children might be?

REMEMBER WHEN the importance of clean drinking water and breathable air were unquestionable mandates, and not some crazy hippie agenda to be weighed against corporate profits?

REMEMBER WHEN questioning your governments policies was seen as participating in the process, and not giving aid and comfort to the enemy?

REMEMBER WHEN the enemy was a country or military force that posed a threat to American democracy, and not a nation of innocent civilians who whose destruction was dismissible as collateral damage?

REMEMBER WHEN your country went to war based on facts beforehand, instead of constantly-changing suppositions after-the-fact?

REMEMBER WHEN patriotism was judged by your words and actions, and not by whether you were a member of the party currently in power?

REMEMBER WHEN the American Dream was attainable through diligence and hard work, and not the luck of the outsourcing draw?

REMEMBER WHEN profitable corporations were content with simple tax dodges, and didnt have to have government subsidies as part of the bargain?

REMEMBER WHEN incredibly wealthy Americans bragged about their philanthropic work, instead of bragging about their tax cuts?

REMEMBER WHEN you went to the polls and voted, and didnt have to rush home and watch the news in order to find out if your vote was counted?

REMEMBER WHEN the election of a president was considered the result of democracy in action, and not the result of Diebold executives doing the job they were expected to do?

REMEMBER WHEN you sang God Bless America as a kid, and never thought youd grow up to wonder if, in view of your countrys actions, asking Gods blessing was asking a bit too much?

I REMEMBER WHEN and I wonder if these ideas will become ancient history by the time those of us old enough to recall them are dead and gone.

You might want to print this, and pass it down to your children. It could be worth a fair buck on Antiques Roadshow someday an odd document that cant be verified as authentic, because the memories it conjures up are just too bizarre to be accepted as ever having been fact.


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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 11:05 PM
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1. and
REMEMBER WHEN the Federal Government had a special commission to investigate war profiteering and fraud because it considered an outrage that corporations would try to take advantage of our men fighting and dying for our country?
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 11:08 PM
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2. K&R
Great Post Great Post! :toast:
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 11:09 PM
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3. Thank you. This is a keeper and I am sending it everywhere.
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 11:13 PM
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4. Yep, I remember ......
Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 11:14 PM by hwmnbn
Thanks for such an evocative post. It begins to show the depth of all we've lost under this administration. It is heartbreaking and maddening. K&R and will distribute.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 11:21 PM
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5. Yeah. It was a mere 5 1/2 years back...
Seems like only yesterday. Whoa. It was.

Reading my mind. Oh, the good old days. Think I will print this one out and show it every darn person I bang into. Thank you!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 11:30 PM
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6. I remember
As a Canadian, I remember your life being that way. I could see it in the TV shows that came from Buffalo, NY.

I could see the dedication to an ideal, an ideal that got a president to resign because of malfeasance.

And ideal that caused a nation (and the world) to rally behind a national tragedy (9/11).

And I mourn for that ideal again.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 01:25 AM
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16. With the poetry of your words, I am reminded ...
... that others than my countrymen are aware and appalled by what is happening.

With the sharing of your thoughts, I am reminded that as an American living in Canada, I am surrounded with my like-minded global citizens.

Your words moved me more than I can artfully express.

Thanks, Canuckistanian.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 11:43 PM
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7. I remember... and MOURN
I demand that innocence to be returned for MY children.

No more BS..... end of story. Yeah.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 11:47 PM
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8. K&R!
Peace.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 12:08 AM
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9. Someone destroy the Americans Dream
and it wasnt OBL or Saddam
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 12:08 AM
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10. K & R
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 12:40 AM
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11. If Thoreau were alive today
He would have written this. It voices the real anger people have for what has happened and is happening still. An anger that no amount of pundit putdowns and dyspeptic displays of transparently phony outrage from the other side of the aisle will mitigate, or hinder.

We're huddled in a hard rain, amid the thunder of pilfering Pharisees bleating from their tinplated telegenic pulpits or lying into a TV camera from a burgundy, flag-bedecked office deep inside the Beltway.

A greasy mixture of Jesus-by-Numbers sanctimony, reptilian xenophobia, and an insatiable instinct for the main chance, and damn the consequences. Braying hycpocritical sleetstorms of blather, bile and outright lies from a crowd whose scabrous hands on America's throat must be pried off finger by cold finger.

It's time for an American Revolution, of the mind. It's time, at last, for action on a scale not seen in this country for forty years.

Is America to be guided by a living, endlessly honed Constitution, and laws that help Americans have better lives, better communities? Or is that Constitution fated to remain a "goddamn piece of paper", a snotrag for these button-down fascistas?

A critical mass is reached, and America will come through battered but wiser. And forty years from now, may few of us remember this sinkhole of crime and moral degeneracy, this aching trek through a deepening swamp, this carnival of the demons. May we age, or die, remembering how good were the times after these. Those times are coming. We can get there.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 12:44 AM
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12. I hope we CAN get there ...
... and it will be a hollow victory if we don't all get there together --you and I, and we as a nation.
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AusGail Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 12:56 AM
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13. Remember when
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 12:57 AM by AusGail
I hope the Democrats employ you to write their commercials when the election campaign starts. Bombard the public with your material and you will be on a winner.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 01:28 AM
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17. Hey, AusGail!!!
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 02:13 AM by NanceGreggs
:hi:

On edit: Truth be told, AusGail, I can't think of anything I'd rather do.

For anyone who's listening (or reading), my meager talents are FREE to a good Democratic home ...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 01:10 AM
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14. My, you are full of it, aren't ya, NancyGreggs?! I'm so glad I
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 01:11 AM by babylonsister
saw this and will certainly pass it on! You do have a way with words! :loveya:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 01:21 AM
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15. Well, you've got this coming to ya, BabylonSister ...
... :hug:
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 02:52 AM
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18. Great job, Nance...
You're on a roll lately, while I've been petering out. Either that or my change in schedule is leaving me unable to post during the times when people who know my stuff are around to notice. :)

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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 08:24 AM
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19. Thanks for the Memories
Remember what it was like before the Machiavellian Josef Goebbels, Karl Rove, turned political discourse into a bloodsport. Remember what it was like before it was you're either with the Administration or be declared an enemy of the state, even if you're a disabled veteran. Remember when fascists wore brown shirts and jack boots. Remember when the President actually had a memory. :kick:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 01:46 PM
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32. Hi The Wizard!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 07:04 PM
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59. Thank Zeus I'm a Democrat
Been coming here daily since The Bush jihad launched its immoral invasion while surrendering to bin Laden. The Administration's response to "They hate us for our freedoms" is to reduce the Constitution, that many of us defended with our lives, to toilet paper. It's not a god damned piece of paper to me.
Thank Zeus I'm a Democrat
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 08:27 AM
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20. I've already spread the word
Thank you for the memories.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 08:52 AM
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21. Are you releasing this to the public domain?
Are we free to use this? Because it's excellent! Recommended.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 11:17 AM
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30. As always ...
Everyone should feel free to spread this around, if you think it's of value.

I would only ask that if you cross-post this on other websites, there be an attribution to myself as the author, and to DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND as the original publisher of the piece.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 08:58 AM
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22. Excellent! If I may add: Remember when the Press was hungry and hardworkin
and took their responsibility as one of the pillars of a strong democracy VERY seriously.

I won't see a lot of what I remember, but I am raising a son who will work towards restoring the promise of a strong democracy and a strong and inspired Nation.

Very inspiring--thank you for some wonderful words!

K&R.
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minglewood Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:13 PM
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36. the press
and I remember when we felt sorry for the Russians because their newspaper, Pravda ("The Truth"), was so full of bogus propaganda that most Russians felt it was best used as toilet paper.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 08:19 PM
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44. SO true. (Welcome to DU, minglewood!)
:hi:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 09:02 AM
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23. Excellent,
I will share this with everyone regardless of their political affiliation.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 09:14 AM
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24. Wow...I'm feeling all nostalgic
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 09:23 AM by Greylyn58
and totally sick at heart because of the utter corruption that has occurred in just the last 6 years.

I just pray that we haven't lost everything you listed forever because that would be criminal indeed.

:(



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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 09:17 AM
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25. I do remember, and I wish I could say you are wrong, but sadly, I can't
it's all too true.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 09:29 AM
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26. Those were the days my friend. We thought they'd never end...
Great post. I hope everyone sends it far and wide (especially to Freeperland).

K&R
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 09:39 AM
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27. Good work--but one tiny correction.
You did not identify the jobs done by Pakistanis or Indians as "outsourced." We have plenty of Pakistanis & Indians over here who have excellent work ethics. And they are not shy about asking for higher wages. In fact, many are entrepreneurs--who work for nobody.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 11:13 AM
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29. It never occurred to me that that paragraph ...
... would be interpreted that way - but obviously it has been. I thought the outsourcing angle was obvious.

I apologize to anyone I may have inadvertently offended.

I guess it never occurred to me because I live in Toronto, a city with a very large Indian and Pakistani community, and if all of the businesses they owned here closed down tomorrow, the city would be a virtual ghost town!
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 11:54 AM
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31. That was only a tiny flaw....
Houston has a pretty good supply of Indians & Pakistanis, as well.

I know that American history is not as blameless as we were taught in school. But, in some sense, we were often "the good guys."

That's been lost.

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Bob K Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 11:03 AM
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28. Remember when.....
.... we elected folks to do the people's work in their official capacity and we'd leave their personal affairs (lives) up to them?
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 02:05 PM
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33. All courtesy of Mr. "I'm a uniter, not a divider".
Yes, I DO remember all of those things, and more. I'm a little older than most here at DU and the change this country has gone through in the last 40 years is amazing. I remember never locking the house up during the day, at night and even if you went away for a short time.
An Eisenhower Republican would be a "far left loony" now. Yes, I remember. And I lay most of the blame for these alterations on the Republican party who are much more concerned about themselves than the good of the whole. Selfishness, Republicans have turned it into a faux virtue. Bastards! :mad:
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 02:40 PM
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34. Best piece I've read in a month!
Thank you.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 02:42 PM
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35. K & R !!!
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Angry Swede Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:17 PM
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37. If you mistook
the flag on my porch on the 4th for support for a corrupt president and his administration you were probably running from my Viszla. It's that Paccouli smell, we actually train her to go after it.

"REMEMBER WHEN you actually thought that the people in charge of running your country were smarter than you were?"
-Hah! We don't have egos! We're Americans!

What a bunch of malarkey.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:26 PM
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38. Welcome to DU, Angry Swede ...
... I took the time to look at your DU profile, and was interested to see that listed as your Hobby was: "Uh...everything this site deplores"

BTW, the inclusion of "uh" was totally unnecessary. When people like you speak, the "uhs, duhs, and dohs" are a given.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:33 PM
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39. That's right Swede
We'll all be better off if the president is even dumber than you. That'll teach them terrorists.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:36 PM
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40. Forgot to add, Welcome to DU
Don't let rationality hit your ass on the way out.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:27 PM
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41. Viszla. And you quote Heinein like he's a right-winger. Ah, gotcha.
I feel sorry for your poor dog. Dude! Sweden's a great place, a Socialist Paradise. You must be on the run, then. And confused. Very.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:29 PM
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42. Oh, yeah. Welcome to DU, Captain Sweezle Peanut.
You need some Pachouli, I think, though. Some of the good stuff.
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:51 PM
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43. That's just sad.
"If you mistook the flag on my porch on the 4th for support for a corrupt president and his administration you were probably running from my Viszla."

Your "if-then" statement does not make any kind of sense at all.


Please, DUers, don't let the semi-literate few affect your view of our lovely city. We're not all dimwits.



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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 09:43 PM
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46. They're right-wing radicals who don't know how to govern.
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 09:44 PM by 94114_San_Francisco
Enjoy your stay... :eyes:
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 04:58 PM
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57. Why so angry swede?
Did you forget why we display our flag on the Fourth of July in the first place? Do you forget WHY our forefathers revolted? Why they fought and died? If you do remember... then why are you so hot to give W the Monarchy back? If you do remember... why bother even having a flag? You obviously don't believe in the principles of Democracy behind that symbol.
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LoKnLoD Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 08:35 PM
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45. Wow...
just wow, fantastic post .


:toast:
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 09:53 PM
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47. The next time you throw a dinner party, can I come?
Better still, come to my place and meet my friends - we'd have a blast. Beautifully done, Nance. :thumbsup: :)
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 01:19 PM
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52. Of course you can!
I'm in Toronto, though, so it will be a loooooong trip!

As for me, if I'm ever in San Fran, I'm going to hold you to that invitation!
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 11:41 PM
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48. Great Job
Remember when Ike warned us about the military-industrial complex
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WmDavid52 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 06:28 AM
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49. Wonderful message..
I just wanted thank you for a great, truthful and honest message.

Remember... When the "reds" were communists of the USSR?
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 11:42 AM
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50. If I had the posts,
I'd recommend that. It's good work. Thanks for releasing that to us, I wonder what a poster-sized print is worth to have made... Something eye-catchingly big.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 01:18 PM
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51. Thanks, Heywoodj!
And Welcome to DU!

:hi:
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 01:31 PM
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53. Thanks!
Thanks for the welcome.

It's odd, I'm actually just down the 401 from you, apparently. I wonder how many more of us there are here.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 02:11 PM
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55. I've come across posters from Ottawa and Oakville ...
... where are you?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 01:42 PM
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54. Most excellent, thanks for posting NanceGreggs!
:kick:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 02:14 PM
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56. bttft
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 01:14 AM
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58. Rove Cheney Wolfowitz Rumsfeld Rice Ashcroft, need I say more?
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