Ned Lamont just said on Hartmann that Lieberman may run as Repug

[RamboLiberal]

Thom was asking Ned if the battle between he and Lieberman may wound both of them so badly that a Republican could beat whomever survives the primary. Ned said there is no credible Repub in the race then said there is talk Lieberman may run as a Republican!

I say Joe should do just that - he's mostly a DINO!

[tanyev]

1. Come out of the closet, Joe, and reveal your true self.

You'll be much happier. And so will we.

[tatertop]

2. No surprise. A traitor is what a traitor does.

What a clown.

[Grown2Hate]

3. Other than on his defense views, I keep hearing he's extremely liberal.

Is there any evidence of that, some sort of compendium of his votes on certain issues, etc? I'm just curious. Because all I ever hear about is his war cheer leading, all I ever see is his right wing tendencies. I'm just curious if there is any evidence the other way.

[Freddie Stubbs]

4. 100% voting rating by Planned Parenthood:

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=002907M

[Freddie Stubbs]

7. The American Humane Society gave in a 100% rating

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=003739M

[Freddie Stubbs]

5. The NRA gave him an 'F' for his Senate voting record

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=001639B

[liberalpragmatist]

6. Here are a couple

His overall voting record is pretty good. It's mainly his rhetoric and his zeal for appearing non-partisan that undermine his credibility.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Joseph_Lieberman.htm

And here's a position sheet from Project Vote-Smart: http://www.vote-smart.org/npat.php?can_id=S0141103

Also from Project Vote-Smart is his voting record: http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S0141103

Here are his interest group ratings: http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0141103

And here's his National Journal ranking for last year: http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/lib_cons.htm

[Bob3]

11. no it's his weaseling and desire to be stroked that is killing him

For example he voted against Alito in the conformation vote - however when Kerry tried to set up a filibuster (the only way really to defeat the nomination) Joe voted against that. His no vote on Alito was meaningless. He did the same with the bankruptcy bill - a toxic gift from the GOP that will keep on giving.

He also made a horses ass out himself by suggesting that rape victims at catholic hospitals could just take a cab to another hospital if they wanted emergency contraception. This is not the view of a man who cares much about women.

He's useless, really. And can be counted on to undercut ANY Democratic initiative as long as he's in the Senate. It's ego I think, he loves the regular spot on Hannity's show as Fox News' "good" democrat.

[Douglas Carpenter]

9. Lieberman on War and Peace vs Lieberman on domestic issues

For the sake of constext I have contrasted Sen.Lieberman's record with that of Sen. Kennedy, Sen. Clinton, Sen. Allen and Sen. McCain

Sen. Lieberman voting record on most domestic-social issues is essentially moderately liberal. However one must also keep in mind that he is a strong proponent of neoliberal economic ideology otherwise known as "free trade" and along with that a strong supporter of NAFTA and CAFTA.

The major problem many of us have with Sen. Lieberman is his staunch support for both the Iraq War and a militaristic/interventionist world view in general. Particularly annoying is his continual public support for Bush Administration war policies and public denunciation of Democrats who oppose them.

I don't think this is a minor point. Just as the Viet Nam War derailed the Democratic Party and the Great Society--the militarism and hegemonic philosophy of the GOP as well as Sen. Lieberman and Democrats who think like him may very well derail any serious advancement of a socially progressive agenda. In fairness to Sen. Lieberman let me add that although his ratings on War/Peace issues are significantly below average by Democratic Party Senatorial standards they are far and away above even "moderate Republicans" like Sen. McCain

Here is a look at interest group ratings of Sen. Lieberman both on War and Peace issues and domestic/social issues. I have contrasted them with Sen. Kennedy, Sen. Clinton, Sen. Allen and Sen. McCain.

War and Peace -- from Peace Majority -- a coalition of various peace groups - link: http://www.peacemajority.org/about.htm

Sen. Lieberman: Final Score: 13.0/52.0 votes = 25%

Sen. Kennedy: Final Score: 72.0/87.0 votes = 83%

Sen. Clinton: Final Score: 52.0/88.0 votes = 59%

Sen. Allen: Final Score: 3.0/88.0 votes = 3%

Sen. McCain: Final Score: 3.0/85.0 votes = 4%

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This is courtesy of project vote smart - link:

http://www.vote-smart.org/index.htm
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 33 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 67 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 0 percent in 2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Peace Action 38 percent in 2004

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Peace Action 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Peace Action 75 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Peace Action 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Peace Action 13 percent in 2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 100 percent in 2004

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 0 percent in 2004

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 0 percent in 2004.
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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 83 percent in 2003-2004

2003-2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 86 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 78 percent in 2003-2004

2003-2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 0 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 22 percent in 2003-2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 75 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 95 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 15 percent in 2004..

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 35 percent in 2004.
__________________________.

2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 83 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 17 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 33 percent in 2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 92 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 110 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 110 percent in 2004

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 9 percent in 2004

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 9 percent in 2004.
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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the National Education Association 88 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the National Education Association 80 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 85 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the National Education Association 25 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Education Association 35 percent in 2003-2004.
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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 88 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 88 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 13 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 25 percent in 2003-2004.
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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 95 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2003-2004

2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2003-2004

2003-2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 7 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 14 percent in 2003-2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 50 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 80 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 25 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 0 percent in 2004.
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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 56 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 92 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 92 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 0 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 56 percent in 2003-2004

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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 83 percent in 2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 0 percent in 2004

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 92 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 72 percent in 2004.”

[Jane Austin]

12. His comments this week about Hospitals in CT not needing to provide

contraceptives to rape victims sure didn't sound liberal to me.

He said something like "it's just a short ride to another hospital" for the rape victim to get contraception.

And how did he vote on the bankruptcy bill? I don't remember.

[Douglas Carpenter]

15. actually he voted against the GOP bankruptcy bill

link:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00044

[CTyankee]

20. Yeah, he was thinking about the distance from St. Rafe's

to Yale-NH Hospital in New Haven! Just a few blocks away, piece of cake!

I wonder how Hadassah and their daughter liked that one! They were the ones who had to wheedle him into voting against Clarence Thomas.

[loyalsister]

26. I think he votes liberally

but his rhetoric is so right wing that it comes as a surprise. He's very moralistic except when it comes to military matters.

[ronnykmarshall]

8. Elect a REAL Democrat!!!

http://www.nedlamont.com/

[Norquist Nemesis]

10. His rhetoric needs to match his record

and at this point all he ever does is get face time to cheer for Bush. Yes, his voting record overall is liberal. Do we hear Liberal Democrat from the echo chamber?

Lieberman needs to wake and smell the coffee. He is being exploited by Karl Rove and Rove is winning. Until he gets that, he's not going to know what hit him as he's kicked out the door of the Capitol.

[Douglas Carpenter]

13. I ABSOLUTELY agree!!

http://www.nedlamont.com



" Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut reproached fellow Democrats for criticizing President Bush during a time of war.

"It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that he will be the commander in chief for three more critical years and that in matters of war we undermine presidential credibility at our nation's peril," Lieberman said."

link:

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/08/democrats.iraq/?section=cnn_latest

and this interesting comment from Sen. Lieberman while in Baghdad

"Time magazine Baghdad bureau chief Michael Ware on Morning Sedition this morning:

I and some other journalists had lunch with Senator Joe Lieberman the other day and we listened to him talking about Iraq. Either Senator Lieberman is so divorced from reality that he's completely lost the plot or he knows he's spinning a line. Because one of my colleagues turned to me in the middle of this lunch and said he's not talking about any country I've ever been to and yet he was talking about Iraq, the very country where we were sitting."

link:

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_atrios_archive.html#113328407009752558

Again, I myself have pointed out on numerous occasions that Sen. Lieberman has a moderately liberal voting record on many domestic issues along with his enthusiastic embrace of neoliberal economic ideology.

His comments regarding the Iraq War must reveal that he is either being disingenuous or seriously delusional. The Democratic constituency of Connecticut needs the chance to express their disapproval in the Democratic Primary; win or lose.

Sen. Lieberman's very public position on the Iraq War and those who oppose it and what appears to be an embrace of a slightly modified form of neoconservative ideology is not some insignificant wedge issue. It goes to the very core of the direction of the country. Someday America will have to decide whether it wants to continue down the path of ultra-militarism or whether it wants to maintain the social fabric of our own society and some degree of moral authority in the world. It appears that Sen. Lieberman is choosing the very wrong side of history.

[Grown2Hate]

14. Thank you everyone for the info! N/T

[jean]

16. when he loses bush could appoint him to a cabinet position, SecDef maybe

Purrfect of Jomentum.

[riona]

17. he may support the needed social programs

but by supporting the war, there won't be much money to fund them

[Generator]

23. Thank you for that VERY important point

Billions for war, nothing for health care. Billions for war, nothing for cities. Billions for..you get the picture. This little fear habit we have is turning us into the Soviet Union circa 1981. The hidden cost of war-all our TAXES are spent to make the DOD, the Pentagon and all their buds rich. America, you've been punked! BUT IRAN is going to kill us all. Uh huh.

[babylonsister]

18. 10-1 the repugs don't want him either! nt

[JerseygirlCT]

19. Lieberman was on the radio this morning, and

said pretty clearly that he wouldn't even accept cross-endorsement from the GOP. He insisted that he's a Democrat.

I doubt very much there's anything to this.

[incapsulated]

21. No, he won't

This is silly fantasy. He is still our fucking cross to bear, for now.

[MurrayDelph]

22. He won't switch until after he's defeated

(which would be too late to enter the Senate campaign).

Joe, this Uncle Shamos, gets way too much face time as a spoiler. If he switches parties, he's
just another Republican.

[AtomicKitten]

24. what a disgrace.

I realized when Fred Barnes butt kissed Lieberman by suggesting he become Bush's Sect'y of State Lieberman had wandered too far from home.

[SaveElmer]

25. Liebermanis a loyal Democrat whatever you think of him...

I'm not happy with him either...but it is ludicrous to suggest he would switch parties. It was a stupid thing for Lamont to say IMO.

[Bob3]

28. He is not loyal to anybody but Lieberman.

He stabbed Gore in the back during the recount - he postured about Clinton. He's bailed on the fight over Alito (the no vote was for show folks) and he's been saying the Democrats have to play nice with bush - undercutting any attempt to hold W accountable for his actions. And there all those times he's played kissy face with Hannity.

He's a tool and needs to go. God save us from loyal democrats like this. I get the sense Lieberman would sell his mother for a cabinet post.

[IndianaGreen]

27. Holy Joe gives DINOs a bad name!

When is the primary?