A little different take on opposing/supporting Lieberman

[UnityDem]

This has been a tough one for me. With democrats having so little power anywhere in the country, I find it very difficult to oppose any current officeholder. Plus, what are the odds of Joe losing a primary when he has all of the money and power behind him? It just doesn't make any political sense to do so. Plus, as many have pointed out, he is very progressive on most all issues except the war. And, as many have pointed out, many other dems are still pro-"this"-war. So why should he be held to a higher standard just because he is from a blue state? Should he have to be 100%liberal while Ben Nelson gets a pass on a lot of issues because we know that we are just lucky to have anyone with a "d" on their name from oh so red Nebraska. So, why do I still feel like I want him out of office? It's not that he is our "new" Zell Miller. Actually, he is smarter, calmer, and better spoken than Zell. And, maybe that's what bothers me the most. That even more than the "cozying up to Bush" claims. That even more than him being considered the repubs favorite dem. It's the way he makes ME feel after hearing him speak about Bush and the war. That is what it is. He makes me feel defeated. He makes me feel like "what's the use". And, if he makes ME feel like that, how must he make those feel who don't work in campaigns and don't care so much about turning our party and country around? I guess it's just a heart over head thing. My head says he will win and we must support him and just put our resources elsewhere. This is the smart thing to do. I just wish my heart would listen.

[mopinko]

1. this is what primaries are for nt

[NewJeffCT]

2. at his birthday party last week...

Lieberman picked up a bunch of endorsements - I think Dodd, the two state Dem reps, labor leaders and a few others (Susan Bysiewicz, our Sec. of State?)

I do think Lieberman is unbeatable in a primary.

However, if Lamont can make a good showing in the primary (over 35%), it will cause Lieberman to lose face, and hopefully force him to reconsider a few of his positions. Colin McEnroe (a local liberal radko host) even stated on the radio last week after speaking with Lieberman on air that he felt Lieberman was tired and was hurt/wounded by the primary challenge from Lamont... and he's known Lieberman since the 70s.

[BillZBubb]

4. Poor Holy Joe is hurt?

I'm guessing that millions of Iraqis are feeling a lot worse. I'm guessing a lot of wounded American soldiers are feeling a lot worse. Lieberman is an enabler of the neocon agenda. He's pathetic.

[vi5]

3. He is conservative on more than the war...

He's conservative on cultural issues (lest we forget his whole moralistic video game/music scolding), and he voted for cloture on Alito (I don't want to hear the bullshit about how he voted no on Alito. That matters not a bit when he voted for cloture.

That PLUS the war, PLUS scolding others in his party and on the left for not supporting Bush more in general is enough to want him gone.

If I were a CT resident would I hold my nose and vote for him in the general election? Yeah, if the only choice was Joe or a repub. But in the primary? Not a chance in hell.

[Arugula Latte]

5. I think we need to make an example out of the fucking traitor.

Give him a run for his money in the primary. He'll probably come out on top, but if he has to think twice afterwards before going on Fox to dis Democrats then I think it's worth it.

On a more superficial side note, I'll never understand how Joementum, who has Zero-Zilch-Nada charisma and who is, let's face it, completely unappealing, ever made it in politics in the first place. It's a mystery.

[SaveElmer]

6. It does make a difference where a candidate is from...

Which is what many of us have been saying in relation to folks like Ben Nelson, the two North Dakota Senators, Tim Johnson, Pryor, and Lincoln...

We are damn lucky to have a Democrat from those states at all...I'll take Ben Nelson over any Republican any day...

Lieberman is a bit different. I believe Lieberman is a principled man, and do not have a problem really with the stance he takes on the war, though I disagree with most of it. And on other issues he has been pretty progressive, and he is particularly good on the environment.

What I dislike most about Lieberman is his public bootlicking of Bush. It is one thing to support his war policies while still criticizing the conduct of the war, but another to be a cheerleader for its conduct, and to constantly bootlick Bush in public.

Connecticut is a blue state, and it is likely if Lamont beats Lieberman he would be the next Senator. So a primary challenge in this case is probably not the worst thing in the world. However, if Lieberman beats Lamont, I will be sending him money, because what I want more than anything else, is Harry Reid as majority leader!!!

[AX10]

7. On economic issues, he is 100% on our side.

And I too dislike the most about Lieberman is his public bootlicking of Bush.

[UnityDem]

10. I think I'm pretty much where you are

The thing that bothers me most about Lieberman is that HE makes Bush's case better than Bush or any republican does.

[msongs]

8. in america, competition is GOOD. let's joe know others disagree.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/democratsmugs.htm

[Larkspur]

9. Lieberman is the 8th most conservative Dem in the Senate

And since he's from a "blue" state that is not something to brag about.

Lieberman is very vuneralbe in a Dem primary. As most of us know, Lieberman's popularity numbers stay high until he starts campaigning, then they nose dive. That's why he doesn't want to campaign in a primary. The "divert $" excuse is a red herring. The CT Dem Establishment knows that Lieberman is his own worse enemy when he campaigns.

In regards to Lieberman's birthday party bash, it was not advertised as an endorsement party to the attendees until AFTER they arrived and then they were put on the spot. Diane Farrell screwed her campaign by endorsing Lieberman and after Chris Shays endorsement of Lieberman, Farrell knows she made her own hole and she will be spending the rest of her campaign trying to climb out of it. Lieberman and Shays share the same opinion on Iraq and Farrell was against the war and occupation. Her endorsement of Lieberman and Shays endorsement negate Farrell's use of Shays position on the Iraq war against him.

Lieberman only cares about himself. He doesn't care about helping fellow Democrats, but he sure helps the Republicans.

[Rageneau]

11. The Freepers love Lieberman and Zell Miller.

If that doesn't say all that needs to be said about MoJo and Zell, then I don't know what does.

Lieberman hurts us. Ditch him.