After the recent scandals and decline in Kerry support: is Kerry toast?

[creativelcro]

[hlthe2b]

1. ????????????????????????????????????????????

I think I woke up on the wrong planet..... What are you talking about?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

6. Kerry's support is dropping in the imaginations of some apparently.

[Renew Deal]

16. We're trippin dude

The colors

[ShaneGR]

47. I'm not sure they've seen the polls..... here's the scoop

First in Missouri, First in Oklahoma, 3 pts. behind Edwards in SC (BOO! I'm an Edwards guy) 2nd in Arizona, 2nd in New Mexico, 2nd in ND.

There hasn't been a drop.

[asjr]

2. No

For the commentators and so-called journalists he is just the "catch of the day." Others have been toast and others will be toast. It is gotcha time for the pundits, etc.

[creativelcro]

3. No, seriously. He's damaged goods now... He cannot survive this...

[TheDonkey]

9. what are you talking about?

if botoxgate enters into the national conversation against Bush it'll be clear the RNC has thrown in the towel.

[BeatleBoot]

45. Lol!

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

:crazy:

[bigtree]

4. With two wins and more to come on Tuesday

Will he have enough momentum to dominate the field from now on? Maybe. I hope so. Best wishes to all of the candidates and supporters!

[hlthe2b]

5. You can't make an accusation /assertion like that without explaining

What supposed "scandals" are you referring to-- the supposed use of botox? !!! Jeeminy...

[_NorCal_D_]

7. Scandals?

Oh, you don't mean Botox do you? :eyes:

[Southsideirish]

8. I had no idea he was so obligated to special interests! (n/t)

[EXE619K]

10. Kerry is not toast.

The truth is, it's more and more likely that he will win the nomination.

However, if "winning" and being "electable" is the only issue for the Democratic party without a serious look at the challenges that will face the next president(whomever that maybe) and our nation, I believe that Kerry is the man.

Nominating Kerry might be the "safe" choice, yet offers no changes for the Dems.

I believe that the Democratic party is in serious need of "new faces" and whether this premise is in agreement with the ideaological purity test must be re-assessed.

IMO, "beating" Bush is great, however, why settle for only "beating" Bush when you have the chance to change the American political dynamic at the same time?

Dean, Clark, Kucinich, Sharpton...they all fit this bill rather well.

But, that's just my opinion.

[creativelcro]

12. At this point, Kerry is the safe choice for failure. My opinion.

[goodhue]

11. no

not sure what your are referring to.
but Kerry is the furthest from toast of all the candidates.

[lucidmadman]

13. I just had some lovely Kerry toast for breakfast...

...with some greenie wienie deanie jelly on it.

There's some people here who really need to get out more often.

[progressivestudent]

14. WHAT!?

Absolutley not, the charges being made are small time, and Dean today calling Kerry a Republican isn't going to sit well with the undecideds at all. After all, Dean says that the same week that the GOP starts attacking Kerry for being too liberal...

And if Kerry were hurt, please explain this for me: http://www.americanresearchgroup.com the latest tracking poll that wrapped up YESTERDAY has Kerry in the lead in three out of five states. He's closing up on Clark in Oklahoma, he'll probably loose to Edwards in SC but Edwards needs more than that win to pull it off.

And in the all important Missouri primary, a real test for his appeal and ability to campaign in the South, Kerry leads with a whopping 46%.

[creativelcro]

15. Kerry IS a Republican. Or Not. Depends on what's advantageous

at the moment.

[Renew Deal]

17. This is coming from a person that said they would vote for Bush over Kerry

[seaglass]

22. Not just Bush over Kerry. Bush over everyone except Dean n/t

[ShaneGR]

49. Lol, I never understood that Dean supporter strategy

Think about it, do you think threatening people will help your candidate? Are people supposed to be impressed by Dean when Dean supporters say they would actually vote for Bush? Don't you think it makes us wonder, that someone would say they were going to vote for Bush????

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. John Kerry is looking better and better....Unlike Dean, he has never been

..... been quoted as saying "YEEEEAAGGH!" on CNN and unlike Clark he has never given the commencement address at the School of the America's (aka/ School of the Assassins) as did Clark in 1996.

And by the way, Kerry gives the Dems all the military credibility they ever need without any "general" baggage so Wesley Clark's supporters need to present some other credentials as to why their man is a more viable option than Kerry.

[girl gone mad]

38. How about speaking out against Bush's war plan..

while Kerry was busy handing Bush the keys to the Kingdom?

The General seems to understand that war should only be pursued as an absolute lalst resort. SOmething the Lieutenant must have forgotten in his time since Vietnam.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

40. Wesley Clark is definitely the best general running for...

.... for president, bar none! Unfortunately, many voters don't relate to his penchant for equating everything to how he ran military facilities. In regular life we have hospitals, not sick bays; stores and not PX's; jails and not brigs or guardhouses; cafeterias and not mess halls. To us debates start at 7 o'clock and not 1900 hours.


And some of us are just a tad nervous about a man who served in Vietnam, saw what took place over there and then deemed the military a sane career choice. Many of the nervous people are Vietnam vets.

[hlthe2b]

19. Insinuations and dropping inuendo...........

Such a RW tactic..... Surely we can do better than this?

I remain ABB and am not committed to Kerry. But this kind of hit and run tactic angers me.

Come back and explain, and justify your post with some facts. To do less than this is simply irresponsible IMO. In addition, it is in violation of current GD2004 rules:

8. If you make a factual assertion about a candidate that is not generally accepted to be true, you must provide a link to a reputable source to back up your claim. Allegedly "innocent" questions which are actually an underhanded effort to spread rumors are not allowed. If you really need to know the answer to your question, try Google.

[creativelcro]

21. are you personally attacking me?

[Quixote1818]

25. I am behind you 100% Kerry can't energize the base!

[leyton]

44. That's obvious

Gephardt and Dean are the ones who can do that... we saw their success with the base in Iowa.

Kerry is the one who can energize the actual majority of Democrats, not just a small sector such as labor or activists.

[hlthe2b]

28. I did not personally attack you nor have I EVER attacked anyone on this

board. I simply stated that you have a responsiblity to explain your accusations. To do so IMO is irresponsible and one that loses you credibility. That is my opinion and one that I think many others would agree with.

I respect right to hold any opinion you wish. But, you have a responsiblity to explain a post that is, at face, so clearly inflammatory towards a single candidate, and one without links or any explanation at all beyond the subject line. I see at least four other posters have asked you for an explanation of what you are referring to. But, nothing, so far.

[JNelson6563]

39. The most disregarded rule here

I could show you many posts in violation in threads on the first page of this forum right now and at any time.

Most refer to Dean though.

Julie

[mitchum]

20. Maybe some sour grape jam would go well w/ that toast

Kerry 2004

[creativelcro]

24. Senator Kerry likes his toast with baloney.

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[Zomby Woof]

32. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goddamn, mitchum. I just sprayed coffee all over the place!!! :D

[mitchum]

34. Sorry about that, ZW

I would come over and help clean it up, but AZ is just too far away

[Quixote1818]

23. My opinion of Kerry has dropped like a rock in the last two days.

[Cuban_Liberal]

26. No toast, but definitely in need of a new coat of Teflon.

No one who's been in Washington, DC, as long as Sen. Kerry can NOT have some 'skeletons' in their closet, and this stuff about the special-interest money is really bugging me. #1 in the last 15 years? Man, 15 years covers a LOT of really not-so-nice senators.

I'm going to withhold judgment for now, but I want an explanation--- a detailed one, and not the 'fluff' one he's been trying to blow it off with.

[creativelcro]

29. You bet. MANY voters feel the same, especially now

[Cuban_Liberal]

33. Maybe I'm a hardass, but his 'the dog ate my homework' stand won't cut it

I want details, and a comparison timeline showing donations and votes on legislation relevant to the donors.

[creativelcro]

37. Exactly

[creativelcro]

27. I posted the links, darn... What's going on?

[hlthe2b]

30. Nothing appears in your original post, except your subject line.

That's what I have repeatedly asked for. Some explanation of what your are referring to.

[creativelcro]

36. crap, something wrong with my clipboard

Here is one of the ones I "thought" I had pasted...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4121890/%20The%20unraveling%20begins

[Donna Zen]

35. After the scandals:

Nothing has changed...until the media tell you what to do. Look for a resurrected Dean to add to the story line. It's coming soon...

Do you get "it" yet? If this board and all of its information hasn't struck home, then either way GE and MSGOP will win.

[Old and In the Way]

41. Kerry's going to make a great President

Don't worry, he'll grow on you.

[funky_bug]

48. I hope he does

because right now, the thought of having to cast a vote for him makes me very sad. I'm begging for Kerry to grow on me, but it ain't happening. Don't tell me to go to his website either. I did that, and it didn't help matters at all.

[George_Bonanza]

42. And Kerry's getting a free pass by the media...

Face it, Dean got bad press because he was the front-runner. Just because the media went after Al Gore in 2000 doesn't mean there's a conspiracy against the DLC. If Kerry or Clark or Edwards was in Dean's position before Iowa, they would've gotten a lot of heat as well. Many people conveniently forget that there was a lot of bunk about Kerry, such as the cheesesteak, his haircut, his Froggish looks, and now, Botox. And Dean's asking for it when he adopts an off-the-cuff style which has made him apologize publicly more than once. Like the ravenous media will let that go.

Did Dean lose because of the media? Possibly. Then again, NH is one of the most wired states in America, and Kerry won among internet users, who had all the access to sites like DU to counter-balance any excessively anti-Dean sentiment on the net, or to find out how much of a sinner John Kerry is. JK won among people who said they used the internet extensively in NH, and we can all agree that the internet is the best and fastest source of news today. NHites were not a bunch of cavemen who had only FOX news on their telly.

[zulchzulu]

43. You mean Dean, right?

[bushwakker]

46. creative

you'd be great over at the RNC.

[edzontar]

50. Yes. He is toast, and so are we if he is the nominee.

Also, why have none of my colleagues even noticed that this post is a word for word rewrite of a Dean-bashing thread from about two months ago?

Serves you all right, IMHO.

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