Who says they aren't Nazis???? Frightening!!

[dobegrrrl]

Customs `camps' cause for concern
By Tom Hennessy, Columnist

Sorry if this has already been posted ... but it is really frightening

The new detention camps will be built by Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR), a subsidiary of Halliburton. The latter, as you likely know, is the defense-related corporate giant with fists full of contracts involving the war in Iraq.

Maybe a lifetime in the news business makes one paranoid. Or maybe it was just a matter of timing.

The story showed up in Tuesday's Press-Telegram, as I was reading "Night," Elie Wiesel's horrifying autobiography of a teenager in Buchenwald and Auschwitz.

Appearing on page A5, the story said the federal government had awarded a $385 million contract for the construction of "temporary detention facilities." These would be used, the story said, in the event of an "immigration emergency."

Jamie Zuieback, an official with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), explained such an emergency like this: "If, for example, there were some sort of upheaval in another country that would cause mass migration, that's the type of situation that the contract would address."

That sounds a tad fuzzy, but let's concede that the camps do have something to do with immigration, illegal or not. In fact, there already are thousands of beds in place at various U.S. locations for the purpose of housing illegal immigrants....


http://www.presstelegram.com/search/ci_3470080

:grr:

[Quakerfriend]

1. Yes, it is very frightening.

What really gives me the creeps is how they seem to be in a hurry to get this started.

When I heard *co. mention it the SOTU I felt a shiver go up my spine! Just they way he mentioned this and casually tacked on the purpose (ie, to 'control' immigration)...I could just feel the falseness in his voice.

[BlackVelvet04]

19. I couldn't find it in the SOTU address. n/t

[DemInDistress]

2. this is from aug last year....

I fished this out from an old bookmark
NVMojo (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-10-05 02:31 AM
Original message
Pentagon devising scenarios for martial law in US
9 August 2005

According to a report published Monday by the Washington Post, the Pentagon has developed its first ever war plans for operations within the continental United States, in which terrorist attacks would be used as the justification for imposing martial law on cities, regions or the entire country.

The front-page article cites sources working at the headquarters of the military’s Northern Command (Northcom), located in Colorado Springs, Colorado. The plans themselves are classified, but “officers who drafted the plans” gave details to Post reporter Bradley Graham, who was recently given a tour of Northcom headquarters at Peterson Air Force Base. The article thus appears to be a deliberate leak conducted for the purpose of accustoming the American population to the prospect of military rule.

According to Graham, “the new plans provide for what several senior officers acknowledged is the likelihood that the military will have to take charge in some situations, especially when dealing with mass-casualty attacks that could quickly overwhelm civilian resources.”

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/aug2005/mart-a09.shtm ...

Spying on Americans! Brought to you by the Department of Homeland INsecurity

[dobegrrrl]

5. Bad link --

Is the article still available?

[DemInDistress]

18. No I'm afraid not..that page seemed to be pulled off the net..but

the DU-er wrote a nice opinion guess we'll be seeing Martial Law as soon as KBR finishes dusting off America's Concentration Camps..

[mom cat]

11. Sounds like they are gearing up!

[punpirate]

3. I'd very much like to see the contract for this...

... because this is a helluva lot of money for "temporary detention." The average medium-security prison housing a couple of thousand prisoners can be built for ten million dollars or so. I'd also like to see the legislation under which this appropriation was made and where these facilities are to be built.

Ashcroft tossed out a throwaway line back in 2002 about the US needing to build camps, and I wonder now if it was meant to be a hint that such a plan was in the works then.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0814-05.htm



edit to add link.

[Faygo Kid]

4. "Upheaval in another country" . . . Yeah, right. See you there!

They better build a lot of camps. They will need to put a whole hell of a lot of us away. I have predicted Martial Law declared since 2002. But not before 2007. I stay with that call.

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_colbert_report/videos/most_recent/index.jhtml

[drduffy]

6. so what the hell can we do about this crap??

all of we damn, libral troublemakers.... put into camps.... martial law.... elimination of the internet...... crap......

when I walked out tonight.... a quirk of wind, of the night..... the clouds rolling in were very dark, very ominous, the wind had a chill......


They would take the real dems, greens, libertarians, leftists first. The media would describe how only the real threats to America's freedoms were being sent to camps...... The cries of the people would be ignored. The mad yells of the righteous right would drown all others out.

[teryang]

7. America needs a gulag

Now that the rule of law is just about meaningless here, they don't have to go through the bother of outsourcing illegal torture and detention camps.

Such camps are necessary for creating a system of terror for dictatorial rule.

Himmler on Dachau-

"Here the entire communist - so far as is necessary - Reichsbanner (social democratic) and Marxist officials who endanger the security of the state will be concentrated because it is not possible in the long run to hold individual communist officials in prison without overburdening state machinery, and on the other hand it is equally impossible to allow these officials their freedom again."

Quoted by Peter Padfield in Himmler, p. 127.

"Dachau was not simply a cage for the unverbesserlich (incorrigible); it was a standing threat to every citizen who might think of stepping out of line. The other political parties hurriedly dissolved themselves." Padfield at 143.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

8. thanks dobegirl

I've been calling them goose-stepping Nazis around DU for nearly two months... Are you still in news? I got out of media not long after Clear Channel bought all the stations in an area where I was working... Since I was doing well in sales they interviewed me, which allowed me to see the free press die... I mean, what's up with twenty or thirty stations broadcasting from a single facility? While I've argued with plenty of PDs and DJs over the years, they were lovable liberals at heart, with real human opinions. I guess that's why all this "live" sounding radio we hear in America today offers little more than pre-recordings run by a few engineers... It's those pesky personal opinions on air personalities tended to offer that brought on their undoing.

Anyhow, all the freepers that post at DU will be in the camps too. Dur Fuhrer won't even defend close high-level friends and neither will the next repuke ruler.

Oppression never has any friends worth protecting, only temporary allies that are expendable.

[iconocrastic]

9. Have they disclosed the locations?

n/t

[NMDemDist2]

12. welcome to DU iconocrastic!

:hi:

and I haven't seen anything on locations yet. the one thing that is being overlooked is that the $385B is the MOST they will spend, it's like on contingency.

but that doesn't make it any the less unsettling....

[iconocrastic]

16. thank you. It would be hard to hide these facilities...

forever. Word has to leak out somehow.

[sheelz]

10. "some sort of upheaval in another country that would cause mass migration"

Translation: in case we try to migrate anywhere. Bastards are building dog pens for us! :banghead:

[i miss america]

13. ... or for use by Amurikans when we have a nookular attack

and a major metropolitan area becomes permanently uninhabitable.

We are so fucked.

[Telly Savalas]

14. I wouldn't worry about it. $385 million to Kellogg, Brown, and Root

might pay for a half dozen of these:



plus support and consulting fees.

[orleans]

lol! but...we're all immigrants to this country except for the native

americans

so where the hell does that leave most of us??? think we'll all fit?

[bvar22]

15. The Bush Family, along with many other RICH WHITE Corporatists....

...NEVER had a problem with the NAZI Doctrine. Mnay, like the Bush Family, openly supported Hitler and the NAZI movement.
They (The Bush Family and other NAZI sympathizers) were nearly successful at preventing the US from entering the War against Nazism. They overlooked only ONE little thing....
None of them guessed that JAPAN would attack the US.

Had Japan NOT attacked the US in 1941 bringing the US into WW2, the NAZIs may have been successful with their support from the RICH WHITE Global Corporate Dominionists here in the US!

Oh Well, they had to start over and build their NEXT REICH here in the US.

[Neil Lisst]

17. first and foremost, it's about graft and funneling money to KBR

Beyond that, it's a place to take Americans who might take exception to the Bush play for permanent presidency.

[Sparkly]

20. Frightening on several levels -- but I need more info.

The conflation of KBR with the government is sinister enough.

KBR building "detention centers" (including at Guantanamo) is worse.

But the idea that such things may be built for "temporary" detainment of people beyond the now-familiar "suspected terrorists" label (which is nebulous enough), becoming extended to the "suspected illegal immigrant" label, is worse. If true, it's not a far leap to the "suspected of treason against the US" label which would be even easier to avoid defining, or specifying charges for.

It's not clear to me where they're saying these detention facilities would be built... In the US, outside of it, or in a conveniently "gray area" like Guantanamo?

[smoogatz]

21. More info

here:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/30/234854/651

Including a link to the Halliburton press release, and a list of the existing ICE detention centers--mostly in the southwest. If it's not about rounding up dissidents (might be, but that seems the least likely of all possible explanations), makes you wonder what they think they know about impending problems in Mexico or elsewhere south of us--also raises the possibility of a severe border clampdown to appease the wingnut wing of the Republican party. Just to be on the safe side, though, the wife and I are looking into what it would take to immigrate to Canada...

[smoogatz]

22. Another thought--Bird Flu.

They've already said declaration of martial law might be necessary in the event of a major outbreak. The detention centers could be used as quarantine units, maybe.

[OneBlueSky]

23. beyond the obvious civil rights and civil liberties issues . . .

this also happens to be our money (or, more accurately, our grandchildren's money) that they're pissing away . . . along with billions in Iraq reconstruction money that was spent and has nothing to show for it . . . and more billions in Katrina relief money with nothing to show for it (save transporting ice from Louisiana to Maine and back again) . . .

why isn't the Congress stopping this madness? . . . where's the oversight? . . . where are the checks and balances? . . . where is the Congress? . . .