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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:33 PM
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WHY are Americans so willing to overlook Bush's incompetence?
It's something that I simply don't understand. If Bush can't handle Iraq properly, if he can't respond to Katrina properly, then why in H E double toothpick do Americans trust him to keep us safe and protect national security?

Bush has FAILED at EVERYTHING he's done since he's been in office, hurting or killing a lot of Americans in the process. Why aren't Americans peeved and clamoring to throw him out?
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:35 PM
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1. He's a dork, but he's THEIR dork.

They can't ditch him.

THEY'D look dumb for voting for him in the first place.

Pride ignores pubic opinion, it attends entirely to an imaginary audience...
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:47 PM
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49. True, but there's one more reason
Why do they overlook his incomptence? Because he's not getting his candle waxed by a fat, ugly intern!
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thefloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:36 PM
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2. Bush protects Americans without asking for sacrifice
is one reason.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:45 PM
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12. He's doing a shitty job of protecting them
If they believe that they are nuts. Plus there is sacrifice like the cost of gas, education.
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thefloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:49 PM
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14. I agree but some people especially younger people
are scared shitless and obey anything the leader says. Younger generations are scared to speak out when something is wrong because there whole lives they are told what to think. Incapable of thinking on their own
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:03 PM
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33. Or they just don't care. Or aren't paying attention.
I had a college roommate whose automatic response to everything was, "I don't care. I don't want to hear it," if it didn't directly concern her or her boyfriend. That's the mentality we're dealing with, folks.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:49 PM
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51. Without sacrifice? The fucktard talks about it all the time
But about sacrifice of the people who die, not about his rich, corporate sponsor's sacrifices. . .wait, they don't sacrifice a DAMN thing!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:36 PM
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3. Because the media protects them from knowing how heinously incompetent
BushInc really is.

It took a category 5 hurricane to strip away the visual protection the media was giving Bush all these years. They couldn't spin it into a positive for Bush no matter how hard they tried.

They still aren't discussing in any detail what Bush did and didn't do during that entire ordeal, yet they gave hundreds of hours of airtime to which breast Clinton touched and how it will prove he lied.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:37 PM
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6. BINGO (nt)
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:17 PM
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24. It doesn't matter if the man is a colossal failure if the peeps don't know
I check out the local version of the abccbsnbc news just to keep in touch with how truly clueless Merica is being kept. Those people come home from work and check to see if anything they need to know about is on the 6 o'clock news. It's not. Everything is fine. We are safe.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:37 PM
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4. He is a good christian man.
The believes in the sanctity of life and of marriage being between an man and a woman.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 09:23 AM
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59. ROFLMAO!
Really funny! Here's what Pinhead** believes in, money and his self-inflated ego. His born again status was simply a vote getting ploy brought to the sheeple by Rove. And they fell for it and continue to fall for it. As far as his sanctity of life BS goes, I think he has shown his true colors on that with Iraq and Katrina as just two examples. He is a phony POS and the Morans refuse to see that.
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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:37 PM
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5. cause they're incompetent too. nt
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:40 PM
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9. You beat me to it. Plus, most Muikans don't read or watch the news.
They are happily cluless as long as Bush asks nothing of them.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:38 PM
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7. Because they don't know how to think or pay attention.
I really believe it. A lot of Americans only listen to the spin thrown at them in short sound bites on the news every day. They don't take the time to really pay attention and think about what's really happening.

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thefloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:50 PM
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15. Exactlty
Rove is very good at playing to the "Headline News" Crowd. All those staged photo-ops make front pages everywhere. People causually see those pictures and believe Busco MUST be "On top of things"
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:40 PM
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8. Because the Democrats will raise taxes. n/t
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:42 PM
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10. Because it's easier to stay in the "status quo" then to actually think
Most of America lives in a vacuum. They watch a little news on TV (many watch FOX), figure they know all they need to know and that "politics are all the same" anyway. Unless the gas prices go up tremendously, we have a major terror attack or something like bird flu actually makes it's way over here, most Americans, unfortunately, are too involved with their daily lives to actually pay attention to what is really going on. That's why when you ask a Bush supporter what it is they like about this administration, they usually regurgitate what they hear from Rush or some basic spin from mainstream media or Faux news. When you try to inspire them to give you some rationale or specifics behind their statements, or ask intelligent questions about what they have said, they rarely (in my experience) are able to respond except to get defensive. Especially when you, as a thinking, reading, rational, compassionate, concerned American, have a ton of real facts, real research and genuine information about how their lives, their country, their planet and the world are being impacted by these neocon monsters currently calling the shots.

So, until something big happens that makes national news and smacks them into reality, unfortunately, things will not change all that dramatically.

Believe me- I try constantly. Every time I meet a Bush fan, I am polite, sincere and to the point when I inquire about their perceptions but it goes nowhere because they have no answers.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:15 PM
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22. They don't pay attention, you are right
Also, as you stated, until something dramatic happens in their personal life they figure all is well. This toughness thing is what confuses me the most, they think he is tough. All I see is a wimp that is an abuser.

America has become a bunch of sissies. How embarrassing. Shout fire and they all run. Osama's going to get ya, again, be fearful. So why didn't he make a real effort to stop him in Afghanistan? Best I can figure out is he wanted a whipping boy to get into Iraq. Go figure. Notice he is now saying that we must be fearful because Osama is still determined to attack the U.S. People don't hear what this jerk is really saying, first "dead or alive" then who cares about Osama we want the real terrorist and then back to oops, Osama is going to attack, be fearful, etc.
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:43 PM
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11. Maybe they don't want to be proven wrong
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 12:44 PM by rniel
They're holding firm to their stupidity. It's that red state rugged individualism. John Wayne macho shit.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:48 PM
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13. the only thing(s) I can think of:
- they are in denial

- the reality is too horrible and frightening to wrap their brains around
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:51 PM
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16. It's like the old Jerry Springer show. No matter how dumb you are,
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 01:09 PM by leveymg
* is surely dumber and a whole lot crazier for believing he's fit to be President. The appeal is the same as the old circus freak shows.

Really, the model works. Look at the demographics for that show and the President's hard-core supporters. Bet ya the audience lines up closely with Bush's 32 percent, or whatever his approval ratings are these days.

If Bush and the members of his Administration all of a sudden became rational, he would probably lose popularity.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:55 PM
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17. Exhibit A....
my sister. Getting close to retirement. Worked in the same place for 30+years...she started at 17. Grandmother of two. Lived in the same area her entire life. Does not want to hear about it...scares the crap out of her...nothing she can do about it. Does not have the time nor the inclination to find out more. Barely manages to handle her already over-full plate. The treadmill she is on...she dare not get off. That being said....she is aware of dis-ease in her periphery. Of late she has become more adamant to 'not hear it', as it makes her depressed.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:28 PM
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27. I'll Add One Comment To This Scenario...
They also DON'T want to vote!! I know TWO families that I have helped financially (a large sum) in the past year who simply throw up their hands and say... "there's NOTHING I can do!!

I have tried to rationalize with them, but THEY just won't budge. THEY blame him for many many things, but still won't take any ACTION! Maybe now since I have basically refused to bail them out AGAIN, they will see things better, but I doubt it!

Stupid is as stupid does!!!

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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:28 PM
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28. Your sister got the depression issue right
We are all depressed, especially those of us that do pay attention. It is now controling a good part of my day. Wish I could ignore what is happening. Do people like your sister, and we all know others, who choose to ignore this ugly position this country is in, realise that they must not be complacent? It must be they believe they are unimportant and that government rules.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:25 PM
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37. I must have misrepresented something...
as I would not describe her as complacent. She has contributed more to politics in time and money than I, but at a local level. Her choice to focus on those areas of her life where she can exhibit some control, does not equate to a lack of self-esteem, but to different priorities. Sort of like the serenity prayer...accept the things I can not change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:37 PM
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40. self esteem vs. accept the things I can not change
Guess that is what the problem is, can not change the way things are. That is the part that doesn't compute. Many don't believe that they can control everything but, hopefully some of the major issues.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:37 PM
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47. My doctor recently said to me "if you're not depressed these days
then you either not paying attention or you were born without a soul".
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:59 PM
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18. Why are American ignorant to the 500 executive orders that
junior has signed.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:01 PM
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19. They listen to MSM and MSM doesn't report half of what we get. if you
aren't listening to Air America or getting news online,you aren't gettting news. My best friend from college gets her "news' from Rush and Faux and you don't get that Bush is incompetent becasue they lie thru their teeth. Even the networks spout the admin party line on so many things.
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grrl62 Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:17 PM
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23. you make a great point
unless the majority of people are presented with/start seeking out REAL news (the truth) then nothing is going to change. the mainstream crap media is going to spew the same propaganda time and again.

if these people can't snap out of it on their own, then somehow they need to be reached through bypassing the mainstream crap - and i'm not sure how this can be done w/o a vast, united effort.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:25 PM
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26. My friend that I mentioned, with whom I protested the Vietnam War,
who is now a repub who gets news from Faux, is just as convinced of her point of view that Bushco can do no wrong as I am of my point of view. How she got from protesting Vietnam in the '60s to where she is now is completely beyond my comprehension...she is not Christian, believes in gay rights, has gay friends, recycles stuff, and yet believes Bush can do no wrong, and believed Kerry was about as evil as I believe Bush is...People who don't venture beyond MSM live in a parallel universe that is completely different from ours. It's literally like a science fiction novel.
Or maybe just Brave New World.
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grrl62 Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:37 PM
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30. i can only imagine
how difficult it must be for you to see your friend in that position.


the culture is feed off the lies on TV, in the movies, and printed in magazines. i truly believe that if people hear it or see it - "then it must be true." no one questions. no one is skeptical. they love big brother.


somehow we need to create a way to reach them that does not require us to use the "mainstream" outlets responsible for spewing the current lies.

question is how.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:24 PM
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44. It is very hard. I;ve known her for forty years, but lost touch for about
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 06:30 PM by Amaryllis
18 years and when we got back in touch, she'd been brainwashed...married a guy that I think had a lot of influence on her thinking. Politics didn't come up for a long time, and when it did, I was shocked she was a Bush supporter, becasue her basic values are very close to mine. If she knew the truth, she'd be horrified at what she's actually been supporting.

I was shocked when she was still planning to vote for Bush in '04 after the prior four years, but when she told me her news sources, it all made sense. What was a real eye-opener was too see how she was just as convinced of her "facts" as I was of mine. But, we know Faux and Rush lie through their teeth. She doesn't know that.

I had to ask how I knew my sources were more "true" than hers, and one thing is that I have a whole lot more sources, but the other is that mine do a lot of fact checking. Brad is VERY careful not to blog anything without carefully fact checking it, for example, and the quality of fact checking on AAR seems very good. Another thing is that AAR hosts will let people on with whom they don't agree, whereas Faux and Rush shut up all dissenting positions.

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grrl62 Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:12 AM
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55. fact checking is important
i agree. i would argue that Faux doesn't have to be "correct" or use facts b/c they are entertainment TV. it's all about ratings on some level. my mom has the great displeasure of eating dinner w/ a Faux worshipper once a week.. the woman can barely tie her shoes, but can spew Faux drivel. she has no concept of truth.. she merely takes their words as gospel.

i find it so interesting - since when did people put such weight into 1 source? maybe i'm just young/naive, but it seems so scary to me.

i think some people just want to be led.. Faux says the words that comfort these people on some level.. and they are satisfied with that. Faux plays to people's base hatred and fear.. it encourages separatism and name-calling.. essentially it is the psyche of a warped playground bully. people were scared post sep 11th.. of course they were. but Faux played into those fears, encouraged those fears, and perpetuated those fears - once you buy into that, hell, they'll buy into most anything they say.

regarding your friend, i wish there was some way you could show her your sources - ask her to do some investigative research (a challenge) to see which sources are right.. etc. so that maybe she can realize that Faux is BS. although considering her husband's views.. i imagine it would be difficult for her to co-exist with him if she does realize that Faux is absurd.

ugh, i'm sorry :(
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 01:43 PM
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60. She is not at all internet savvy, which is VERY limiting. I am constanly
thinking, Oh! I should send this to her and then I remember that she doesn't even have email. Hard to imagine these days, but there are still a lot of people whose only source is TV. My only TV source is C-span! Imagine if you didn't have internet access how limited your sources would be.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:25 PM
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45. Self-delete;accidently posted same message twice.
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 06:26 PM by Amaryllis
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:57 PM
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32. What this tells me is the people out there
want people that speak clearly. Kerry wandered around with his dialog. At least that is what people say that voted for bush who were not that impressed with him. Bottom line, many want a Dean type person that even if you don't agree with him you know what he stood for. We have precious few Dems. that are willing to do that. They must be prepared for the Rove machine but had the Dean Scream been broadcast With the background noise it would not have been a big deal. He had an enthusiastic crowd he was speaking to. The Repubs also kept repeating that Dean was Their Choice for Dem. candidate, meaning he would be easy. It's all psychology in the game of politices.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:15 PM
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43. The thing is that she hardly even HEARD anything Kerry said. For the most
part, she only heard sound bites which were then interpreted and distorted by Rush,Hannity, Chris Matthews, etc. If people are only going to listen to what sources they believe are trustworthy SAY about the candidate, you can run Jesus Christ and he won't win. How many different sources do you have for your news? We all tend to listen to the ones that we feel give us "truth" but fact checking is non-existant on Faux and Rush. People like THom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes, etc. do extensive fact checking.
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:07 PM
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20. Because most Murkens
have IQs that hover in the 90-100 range and are comatose. As long as they can watch American Idol and have Ebay they're happy.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:10 PM
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21. They don't think such a bumbling, simpleton could be an Imperialist.
And, he plays it to the hilt with his fake Texas twang, mumblings and mispeaks.

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:22 PM
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25. This Is A Question I Ask EVERY DAY!!
To me I find this phenomenon totally unacceptable, but each and EVERY time some scandal surfaces, the sheep just keep plodding along.

Does ANYONE even think the Democrats will EVER be able to regain ANY power either in 2006 much less 2008??

I constantly beat myself over the head and scream at the TV in absolute rage because I can't understand the nonsense any longer!!

KARMA simply does NOT exist!!

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:29 PM
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29. The Drug plan, Katrina, war in Iraq says it all. They don't want
governance to be competent. They don't want to follow regulations or precedents of good governance. They want to create hate for government.

I love the new GOP talking point... Bush is incompetent. Yeah - take that one into the 2006 elections. Good try.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:46 PM
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31. Because there's no consistent opposition
Because there's no consistent opposition consistently pressing the issue!

That leaves the public to conclude that maybe he is incompetent, or maybe he's not. If confronted with the evidence - repeatedly, even the dumbest freeper would have to face the truth.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:08 PM
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35. Think you hit it right on the head and because....
in the opposition we do have too many political leaders are more concerned with their own assess, saving their jobs and getting face time on television than pushing forth a true Democratic majority.

But I get so tired of people who whine that the MSM is our problem. That certainly doesn't say much......
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Nomen Tuum Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:06 PM
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34. Millions of Americans are brainwashed by TV Preachers
Millions of them believe that Bush is God's man and he can do no wrong. All they do is watch the 700 Club, Jesus TV and Fox News.

THey blame everything wrong on Bill Clinton's zipper.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:14 PM
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36. Here are some basic things to consider and hurdles to cross:
First, the American people don't want to think they have an idiot for a president. Heck, of the other side, who wants to admit that he or she voted for an idiot? Look at it from our point of view when it comes to Clinton - people here defend him pretty strongly regardless of his faults.

Next, the reason Iraq is so tough to deal with is that it is hard to build a narrative that doesn't appear to be fully in support of the troops when Bush's incompetence is so glaringly obvious. I'm not saying I agree with it, only that it is hard to get through.

Then there is the isolated, ignorant and happy as a pig in shit mentality of Americans if they think they are just getting some of their way. Hell, let them plug in that Playstation, Xbox or whatever or turn on that idiotic reality tv show to escape life and things will be just fine to them.

And don't forget the simple isolation aspect of our American capitalistic "WE ARE the world" mentality. It could go on and on....
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:27 PM
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38. MSM and Fox has them convinced
that democrats would be even worse. Of course the true believers are just so happy that he stood up to the terrorists that they think even his fuck ups were well intentioned and would have worked out if they were not sabotaged by the democrats. I get so sick of hearing how democrats are actually losing the Iraq war because they are demoralizing the troops and encouraging the terrorists. As if Zarquawi gives two shits what Ted Kennedy says!!!!!!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:33 PM
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39. One word; SPIN
The Republicans have fine-tuned it into a science.

Plus Americans are stupid.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:39 PM
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41. Because the only media we have is doing the same thing. nt
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eve_was_framed Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 03:14 PM
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42. because the media give him a free pass so they assume they
should too.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:28 PM
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46. The RW Corp Media protects the Neo Fascist Regime
You will not see this on any TV.hear it on the radio or read it in print media.

Top Ten Mistakes of the Bush Administration in Reacting to al-Qaeda
By Juan Cole

Because they exaggerate the scale of the conflict, and because they use it cynically, Bush and Cheney have grossly mismanaged the struggle against al-Qaeda and Muslim radicalism after September 11. Here are their chief errors:

1. Bush vastly exaggerates al-Qaeda's size, sweep and importance, while failing to invest in genuine counterterrorist measures such as port security or security for US nuclear plants.

2. Bush could have eradicated the core al-Qaeda group by putting resources into the effort in 2002. He did not, leaving al-Zawahiri and Bin Laden to taunt us, inspire our enemies and organize for years after the Taliban were defeated. It would be as though Truman had allowed Hitler to broadcast calls for terrorism against the US from some hiding place as late as 1949.

3. Bush opened a second front against Iraq before he had put Afghanistan on a sound footing.

4. Bush gutted the US constitution, tossing out the Fourth Amendment, by assiduously spying on Americans without warrants. None of those spying efforts has been shown to have resulted in any security benefits for the United States. Bush says that he wants to watch anyone who calls the phone numbers associated with al-Qaeda. But some of those phone numbers were for food delivery or laundry. We want a judge to sign off on a wire tap so that innocent Americans are not spied on by the government.

5. Bush attempted to associate the threat from al-Qaeda with Iran and Syria. Iran is a fundamentalist Shiite country that hates al-Qaeda. Syria is a secular Arab nationalist country that hates al-Qaeda. Indeed, Syria tortured al-Qaeda operatives for Bush, until Bush decided to get Syria itself. Bush and Cheney have cynically used a national tragedy to further their aggressive policies of Great Power domination.

6. Bush by invading Iraq pushed the Iraqi Sunni Arabs to desert secular Arab nationalism. Four fifths of the Sunni Arab vote in the recent election went to hard line Sunni fundamentalist parties. This development is unprecedented in Iraqi history. Iraqi Sunni Arabs are nationalists, whether secular or religious, and there is no real danger of most of them joining al-Qaeda. But Bush has spread political Islam and has strengthened its influence.

7. Bush diverted at least one trillion dollars in US security spending from the counter-terrorism struggle against al-Qaeda to the Iraq debacle, at the same time that he has run up half a trillion dollar annual deficits, contributing to a spike in inflation, harming the US economy, and making the US less effective in counterterrorism.

8. Counterterrorism requires friendly allies and close cooperation. The Bush administration alienated France, Germany and Spain, along with many Middle Eastern nations that had long waged struggles of their own against terrorist groups. Bush is widely despised and has left America isolated in the world. Virtually all the publics of all major nations hate US policy. One poll showed that in secular Turkey where Muslim extremism is widely reviled and Bin Laden is generally disliked, the public preferred Bin Laden to Bush. Bush is widely seen as more dangerous than al-Qaeda. This image is bad for US counterterrorism efforts.

9. Bush transported detainees to torture sites in Eastern Europe. Under European Union laws, both torture and involvement in torture are illegal,and European officials can be tried for these crimes. HOw many European counterterrorism officials will want to work closely with the Americans if, for all they know, this association could end in jail time? Indeed, in Washington it is said that a lot of our best CIA officers are leaving, afraid that they are being ordered to do things that are illegal, and for which they could be tried once another administration comes to power in Washington.

10. Bush's failure to capture Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri allows them to continue to grandstand, to continue to frighten the public, to continue to affect financial markets, and to continue to plot. Al-Zawahiri almost certainly plotted the 7/7 London subway bombings himself, and gloated about it when he issued Muhammad Siddique Khan's suicide statement. Misplaced Bush priorities are getting our allies hit. The CIA is reduced to firing predators at villages because our counterterrorism efforts have been starved for funds by the Iraq quagmire. If al-Qaeda does pull off another American operation, it may well give Bush and Cheney an opportunity to destroy the US constitution altogether, finally giving Bin Laden his long-sought revenge on Americans for the way he believes they have forced Palestinians and other Muslims to live under lawless foreign domination or local tyranny.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012406E.shtml
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eve_was_framed Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:59 PM
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53. each of those considered individually make me shake my head in
total disbelief and disgust, and collectively make me so furious at this administration and the media whores that have refused to do their job. The founding fathers started the Amendments with the right to free speech to protect the "media" so they could do their job of being a check on the activities of the government and what have they done? This dictatorship is being brought to us by Fox News, CNN and all the rest of the pandering whores!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:39 PM
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48. Read this for answers, by a repub: A Primer on the Conservative MInd,
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 06:39 PM by Amaryllis
This has a lot of answers to the question you ask. Note that the focus is on the election, but the principles are far broader than that. This is well worth reading. Herrin is a computer security expert, republican, very concerned about the use of proprietary software in our elections:

http://www.chuckherrin.com/LiberalEmpathy.htm

Empathy Training for Liberals: A Primer on the Conservative Mind, From the Inside of One.

Chuck Herrin, CISSP, CISA, MCSE, CEH

American, Voter, Republican – In That Order

www.chuckherrin.com

Author's note: **As of right now, 11-23-2004, there is no conclusive evidence that massive voter fraud took place, but there is overwhelming evidence that the weaknesses in our voting system could have allowed it. I hope it didn't happen, but the simple fact is that whether it did or not, our election systems, particularly those using DREs, appear to have been designed specifically to allow fraud, rather than prevent it. Who put these systems in place, and what is the real current state of e-voting? Read on, gentle surfer, and I'll do my best to tell you.**

Back when I was in college, I joined a fraternity called Pi Kappa Phi. From the rumors circulating the campus to this day and the surveillance tapes probably still making the rounds on Kazaa, I’ve been told that I had a good time during my tenure there. Now, the reason that I mention Pi Kappa Phi is because it is unique among fraternities in that we have our own Philanthropy. Where most Greek organizations would raise money for the Red Cross or United Way, we had our own group called PUSHAmerica. PUSH stood for People Understanding the Severely Handicapped, and one thing that we used to do is build Handicapped-Accessible Playgrounds for kids, which was a lot of fun and very much appreciated by the community. Another thing we did was go through something called “Empathy Training”, which usually involved going completely blindfolded for a day, or taping several fingers together to simulate motor skills difficulty, or spending a weekend in a wheelchair. This was less fun than spending your Saturday outside building ramps, but for a young man it was a real eye-opener, trying to live “a day in the life”. As a result of this “Empathy Training”, all of a sudden those old Helen Keller jokes weren’t so funny anymore.

Without drawing the analogy that Conservatives are Severely Handicapped ( Hey! Remember, I’m one too :-) ), I would like to offer some insight into how the Conservative mind works for you Liberals out there, so that perhaps we can stop Demonizing each other (Nazi! Fag! Fascist! Pantywaist!) and open meaningful channels of communication. I think we’re more alike than most of us realize, and we have real problems that affect all of us, regardless of what party we decided to sign up with. Since I’ve been a conservative Republican for FAR longer than I’ve involved with electronic voting, let me try to answer one of the biggest questions that you liberals have been asking me since I posted the HackTheVote info. That question is:

“Why won’t the Conservatives admit that the 2004 Presidential election was stolen?”
’ll tell you why. There's no hard evidence that has been widely published that proves that it was. Most of them are not aware that a problem exists with our voting system, and for those that are, to admit that the Election was Stolen is to admit some very difficult things, which most Conservatives are not prepared to do. Here are my top seven reasons, in the order in which I thought of them. In order to admit that the election was stolen, we would have to admit:

7) That if a problem exists, and I benefited from it, that I might be part of the problem. Whether any particular Republican helped to steal the election or not, if we admit that fraud was committed, there is no question that the people that WE voted into power did it. Therefore, at some level, we are part of the problem. The VAST majority of Americans, both Republican and Democrat, are decent and honest people, and are loath to consider themselves a part of ANY problem, much less massive Election Fraud. If you only voted once and did so honestly, are you going to admit to helping to steal the election? No! Since the VAST majority of Republicans had nothing to do with it, they understandably don’t want to put themselves in that camp.

Go here for the whole thing:
http://www.chuckherrin.com/LiberalEmpathy.htm
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:48 PM
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50. Because most of them are as stupid as he is.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:50 PM
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52. If a republican does it, it's not really incompetence
you are just making a mistake in perception.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:04 PM
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54. they aren't
Murkans are apathetic (that accounts for 60 or 70%). They don't give a rat's ass who or what king george is or what he does or doesn't do.

The only folks who give a damn are so partisan that competence is irrelevant. RW ideologues would rather starve due to the failures of their ideology than eat a feast at a "socialist" table.

FWIW, he has FAILED at EVERYTHING since he was a child, except for the one thing that always mattered and always left him golden--being the son of GHWB.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:15 AM
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56. Because Americans are complete idiots
Stupid is drawn to stupid.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:31 AM
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57. "My party, right or wrong."
And: Party above country.

Those are 2 themes that the repuke party of the last decade or two has played to.

I mean, for God's sake, LOOK at how they run the congress!!!! Persons who happen to have a democratic congressman or senator have NO REPRESENTATION WHATSOEVER in congress, because the repuke pig legislators simply shut their representatives out--literally!

So it makes sense that these people would NEVER admit that their party did anything wrong.

And above all, they don't want to admit that they were WRONG when they voted for this demented, brain-damaged, hopelessly alcohol-addicted, piece of scum.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:46 AM
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58. Incompetence? They know what they are doing -
They Know They Broke the Law
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Wednesday 25 January 2006
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012506Y.shtml

<snip>

Jonathan Landay, a reporter with Knight-Ridder, queried General Hayden about the central issue behind the recent revelations that Bush authorized the National Security Agency to spy on thousands of American citizens. "My understanding," began Landay, "is that the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution specifies that you must have probable cause to be able to do a search that does not violate an American's right against unlawful searches and seizures."

That's as far as Landay got. Here is the remainder of the exchange:

Gen. Hayden: No, actually - the Fourth Amendment actually protects all of us against unreasonable search and seizure. That's what it says.

Landay: But the measure is probable cause, I believe.

Gen. Hayden: The amendment says unreasonable search and seizure.

Landay: But does it not say probable ---

Gen. Hayden: No. The amendment says unreasonable search and seizure.

There you have it. The fellow who used to run the NSA, the agency whose very charter places the Fourth Amendment in greatest peril simply by dint of its ability to peek through windows, does not think the Fourth Amendment requires probable cause. Let's have a look at the text in question, just for the sake of clarity:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

<more>

======

Also it's definately not "Americans" in general who are willing to overlook things wrt Bush.

So the question should be: "Why are so many Americans willing to overlook the criminality of the Bush administration"?
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