Bush-Constitution "a godd******d piece of paper"

[MissWaverly]

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court. “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.” “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.” “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!

I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a goddamned piece of paper.”- comment from writer Doug Thompson, “The Rant” at Capital Hill Blue

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

[JuniperLea]

1. He is duty bound to uphold that goddamn piece of paper!

He swore an oath to that!! If he has so little regard for the Constitution or his oath of office, he's a traitor and he needs removed from office immediately!

[NYCGirl]

2. Relax. It's Capitol Hill Blue — not a reliable source.

It's the political equivalent of the Weekly World News.

[librechik]

4. I know. But I still believe it happened. Don't you?

Even though I can't use them as a legitimate source.

[NYCGirl]

7. Maybe, maybe not. But it sure wouldn't hold up in a court of law. NT

[Hello_Kitty]

41. I believe it too. Sounds like something he'd say.

His "This would be a lot easier if it were a dictatorship" comment is on record. The alleged comment about the Constitution is entirely consistent with that viewpoint. But it still doesn't mean he actually said it so I hope it can be confirmed by a more credible source.

[JuniperLea]

8. Thompson states he has three sources who were there

I don't believe much of anything I read anywhere unless there is backup. In the current climate of libelous press and protecting one's sources...

Besides, you can't blame me for hoping it's true...

And, I don't need to relax;)

[NYCGirl]

23. I'll bet you he couldn't produce those three sources. NT

[JuniperLea]

24. That's as much speculation as the piece itself

if you insist on splitting hairs...

[NYCGirl]

40. Of course it's speculation, "I'd bet you" is a dead giveaway it's

speculation. But given Thompson's track record, it's a pretty good bet.

[Rosco T.]

29. I don't give a crap if it IS Capitol Hill Blue...

.. this has the ring of truth. This needs to be spread around and shoved in thug's faces.

this will make people mad.. and should it get enough play, one of those present might well step forward.

[ldf]

35. hmmmm...(looks at wristwatch)

my watch is slow. thanks for the reminder.

[Spiffarino]

36. It's every bit as reliable as MRC, NewsMax or

...any Scaife source. Screw 'em. I'm using it.

[havocmom]

3. Hear Hear!

Haul his ass before Congress

[opihimoimoi]

6. I believe he said it.He is of the nature to demand HIS WAY..or the Highway

Arrogant should be his middle name...and, he doesn't even know the consequences....he doesn't read History....

[FormerRepublican]

5. More proof Bush should not be in office.

And this fits so squarely with what we already know about him and his views regarding our country.

Nice to know he ignored his oath of office just like everything else except the appeasement of his own disgusting desires. Lord knows what else we'd turn up if we dug for it.

[deminks]

9. It'll make a nice scene in the movie

about this time period. "You're either with us or agin us."

[grytpype]

10. Goddamned Capitol Hill Blue....

... making shit up again.

[MissWaverly]

12. Doug Thompson says he has 3 sources

and I have seen material posted there that have been confirmed by other sources, I remember
reading in either Time or Newsweek, that when Bush was told about problems in New Orleans, He sreamed back: "Fix it, just fix it!" There has been documentation of him having tantrums when he doesn't get his own way in many sources.

[xchrom]

31. are they the public mouthpiece for the bureau of making shit up?

[MissMarple]

11. Now, that sounds actually treasonous.

It's right in line with his statement that his being dictator would make things a lot easier.

[schmuls]

13. Bravo to the aide who said this to the resident. Hope he

doesn't get whacked!

[schmuls]

14. (or she)

[Nordmadr]

15. Oooohhhh...he said

God Damn. Isn't that a sin against the LORD?...and during the Holid...CHRISTMAS season no less. He better pray...

Olafr

[MissWaverly]

16. Yes he's a compassionate christian

Here's another example of it.

[rman]

17. "to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution"

Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


That constitution you mean?

===

Senator William Jenner, 1954:
"Today the path to total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureacratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded and is sure that it is the winning side. All the strange developments in foreign policy agreements may be traced to this group who are going to make us over to suit their pleasure. This political action group has its own local political support organizations, its own pressure groups, its own vested interests, its foothold within our government, and its own propaganda apparatus."

[MissWaverly]

18. remember the shadow government

Worse than Watergate-page 121

"Shadow Government is at work in secret, after attacks, Bush ordered 100 officials to bunkers away from the capital to ensure federal survival."

[BamaBecky]

19. Whoa

point of fact- he really feels that way too

[Doctor_J]

20. Even if this is bogus,

The fact that it's so believable says alot about the Resident.

[hvn_nbr_2]

21. Whether he said it or not, it's clear that's what he believes. n/t

[MissWaverly]

22. Remember the recommendation about redistricting Texas

It was strongly recommended that it was unconstitutional, and they went ahead and did it anyway.

[Tom Joad]

25. He is an enemy of the United States, by definition. eom

[MissWaverly]

26. If word has gotten out in this most secret administration

we the people, are the last to know this, every single senator, every single congressman,
every single cabinet official, member of the joint chiefs of staff, white house press corps
must know this. Why hasn't anything been done about this. Where is the old Guard, where's his Dad, where are the leaders in congress. Can't someone do something to help us with this
crisis of leadership?

[NinetySix]

27. Imagine the uproar if Dean said the flag was just a goddamn piece of cloth

Oh, the wonders of asymmetrical (read: hypocritical) politics....

[TankLV]

28. Well, then, Dean would be 100% CORRECT, while bush* would be

guilty of TREASON OR WORSE!, now wouldn't he!

[Cocoa]

30. my reaction would be the same

bullshit, this is a made up story.

[BlueEyedSon]

32. Picked up in Huff Po by Karen Kwiatowski

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-kwiatkowski/constitution-shmonstitut_b_11975.html

People pursuing truth, integrity or self-determination at home are called traitors; abroad, they are terrorists. Freedom of the press means something truly unusual and odd to our dear president. The Bush war on terror and the Bush occupation of Iraq both qualify as confusing and disturbing activities for our ostensible Republic. Counterproductive and often illegal, they are yet vigorously and even passionately pursued by our republican and democratic leadership, heads bowed, in reverence and hopefulness, towards the Oval Office.

But George gets it right on the Constitution. The guy who penned the constitution had little direct participation in its construction. That guy believed "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" and that "Our liberty depends upon the freedom of the press."

Bush's contempt for the constitution as a restraint on rapacious state power was typical of many of the founding fathers. When Bush denounces the "piece of paper," particularly those troublesome first ten amendments, he is reflecting the views held by Madison and Hamilton and others who felt it more correct and useful to establish a strong and powerful central state and an even stronger executive. Jefferson, from his position overseas as the United States minister to France, pushed hard for the Bill of Rights and the idea of securing private property, and persons, from a hungry central state.

[kentuck]

33. I could actually believe he said it...

but I cannot believe the majority of people would believe it...

[neoblues]

38. So many...

So many people willing to give George the benefit of the doubt (even one would be more than he deserves)... and after all the experiences we've had with him?

Sure, the story does sound "made up", but as others have said, it most certainly reflects his true attitude, and it really could have happened. Even if he didn't call it "just a piece of paper", it does represent the primary obstacle between him and most of his aims (especially the most subversive/heinous), not to mention his (stated) desire for absolute power. <"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier... just so long as I'm the dictator" (Bush joked)(or was it a Freudian slip)>

I don't doubt for a minute that Bush would revoke the Constitution, or re-write it (extensively) to his liking, in a heartbeat--if he could. If he did re-write it, rest assured America would be closer to a theocracy, the President would have permanent and unlimited powers (and possibly have a lifetime term limit), and who knows what else--to the effect that "we, the people" would have fewer rights, protections, liberties and freedoms than ever. Even the least change would include making the definition of marriage explicitly between a man and a woman (and the Constitution seems an odd place to formalize that). Plus, why stop there... who needs the Bill of Rights?

Rewriting the Constitution--then he really would be a transitional President with an unprecedented legacy--oh, wait... I forgot, he already is one--having made the world truly hate and distrust us, having setback environmental protection laws untold decades, having secured public debt beyond imagination for generations to come, having increased the gap between rich and poor, and ensuring many in the middle class join the poor, having further damaged Education in America, having infamously invaded another sovereign nation without just cause and against international law (let's hope he's not set a new precedent), having rolled back citizen's rights and guarantees to proper due process, having blurred the separation of Church and State, having engaged America's military and intelligence organizations in using torture against international law, and who knows what else. If he could, he'd be happy to be known as the President who did away with Social Security (and simultaneously further enriching Wall Street by redirecting required employment taxes to investment firms).

Go ahead, believe he takes his job seriously and earnestly supports and defends the Constitution of the United States (if, and to the extent that, he does, I'm confident that he does so only because, and as far as, he is forced to for legal, political or other expediency (never for ideological reasons, however)). If it makes you feel better, you can even imagine that he "cares" about the average American citizen (well, we were speaking of delusions/fantasies). "Just a piece of paper", indeed (and one he'd be happy to have out of the way). It "sounds" just like him.

[MissWaverly]

39. I have heard quotes of poppy talking about 100 years of Bush

I am not kidding!

[a b negative]

34. Capitol Hill Blue

I bet that's a reliable source - that's like the RWers throwing NewsMax and DrudgeReport around. :-/

[Spiffarino]

37. Exactly...yet look at how many

...eat up that bullshit daily like it's sweet mother's milk. Fuck it. I'm tired of letting them get away with made-up stories passed along as truth. Time to hoist them by their own petards.

Gloves off.

No prisoners.

[Uncle Joe]

42. So was the deserter's DD214 and he can't find that either. n/t

[MissWaverly]

43. we are getting to the truth at last

I believe that the truth is finally cracking the facade of this administration. It is coming forth on many fronts, Abramoff & Scanlon, Plame, the Downing Street minutes, plane
spotters records of CIA torture flights, Delay, Cunningham, the Iraqi movement for self rule, Coingate, etc. Each event cause seismic waves that will shatter the deception upon which this administration is based.

[McCamy Taylor]

44. All is fiction, "truth" is the most believable fiction. This rings true.

So, pass it on.