Clueless Kerry

[jaded_at_best]

Mr. Kerry, you SUSPECT the election was stolen??? What good is this now? Why didn't you open your mouth a year ago, Mr. Every Vote Must Count?

You had 2 months before the votes were certified by congress to behave like a man!

Nominating him for the spot was the WORST mistake Democrats ever made in their history.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/110505.html

Kerry Suspects Election 2004 Was Stolen

[Imagine My Surprise]

1. I tend to agree, and I shudder at the thought of Kerry running again

[INdemo]

Are you sure John Kerry wasn't quoted out of context?

Somewhere in the shadows of this statement lurks a Republican somewhere

[Mass]

31. Not a statement - a comment by the author .

[kster]

175. KERRY CAN COME FORWARD AT ANYTIME NOW

he's got the evidence and facts about the election theft with him now, the time he decides to come forward will probably be when * poll ratings drop to a cetain point, or when when you see a couple few of the Republicans join him, (KERRY) will FIGHT this thing, But timing is everthing. He will not be Gored.

[apnu]

182. Chimpy is at 39%-35% how much lower does he need to go? n/t

[RagingInMiami]

2. He retracted that statement

Still a wuss. Or maybe just a flip flopper. Either way, he voted for the war. He has blood on his hands.

[Ian David]

7. I would have voted for the war based on what Collin Powell showed us

I can't fault him on that, becuase I was fooled, too.

They need to come forward and say, "I was lied to and I was fooled."

[sui generis]

40. no, not just on what Collin Powell showed us.

A few power point presentations do not a war make.

You need to have a real plan for getting out, real objectives and you had damn well better have real evidence for going to war.

And Kerry also said that he would vote to go to war even knowing then what he now knows.

That's where he completely absolutely totally lost me for all time.

[LittleClarkie]

64. That's not the Mark Crispin Miller statement

That's a comment from a guy who has known Kerry since Iran/Contra and BCCI. This is his opinion of what Kerry thinks, not Miller and the party chat gone wrong.

[blm]

3. Because the machines are set up to erase after one use - NO EVIDENCE.

That's why the DNC must do its job BEFORE any election. Because AFTER is too late.

BTW...guess you don't understand the significance of Winer talking to Parry. Winer specializes in information security. If he's on this than more is happening than meets the eyes. Winer was Kerry's righthand man on investigating IranContra and BCCI. And Parry was THE reporter on top of those stories back then.

Looks to me like Winer IS on this issue for Kerry and he is tough and relentless. He and Parry know their enemy well.

I see the machines getting exposed BEFORE the election.

Here's another thread on the Parry article:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5277824&mesg_id=5277824

[flpoljunkie]

6. Exactly. You cannot make a case if the evidence has been destroyed.

How can we get the M$M to cover the GAO report? Thus far, they have apparently studiously avoided doing so.

[jaded_at_best]

8. more lame excuses

Winer talking to Parry means absolutely nothing, Bush will complete his stolen term. With Kerry as Bush's greatest enabler.

[blm]

11. Then you know little about Winer or Parry and the history they share.

Tell you what - You go around trying to discredit Jon Winer's interest in machine fraud...poohpooh it all you want. Lots of Democrats did the same when he was helping Kerry uncover the corruption in IranContra and BCCI, too.

Let's see how YOUR approach furthers the issue of machine fraud. Looks to me like you are trying to pull the plug on any work from Winer by discrediting his participation.

[blm]

12. BTW...are you claiming that machines AREN'T set up to erase evidence?

Since you state it's just a lame excuse, then it's logical to conclude that you believe OTHER than information security expert Jon Winer?

[jaded_at_best]

17. my point is that this association is useless

Kerry should've thought about this 2 years before the election, not after the evidence is destroyed.

Winer and Kerry or Parry together means squat, Bush will complete his term.

[blm]

21. TERRY MACAULIFFE should have been on this to protect EVERY Dem vote

and EVERY Dem candidate on the ballot. Kerry was in charge of winning the debates and speaking out on issues for his campaign. The candidate relies on the Dem party and the DNC to deal with the validity of the vote BEFORE the election. Kerry only has 6 months to do his job.

MacAuliffe never grasped the machine fraud issue and neither did any other Dem...not even Dean and Kucinich who knew a little about the fraud took it on as a matter of import before the election - they certainly didn't grasp it enough to make a campaign about it within the Dem party.

[karynnj]

88. Did any of the other Presidential candidates?

Howard Dean as Governor in Vt had more to do with running elections then Senator Kerry. Why of the 9 possible candidates do you blame only one.

[jaded_at_best]

91. why??

wasn't he the f... nominee?????

The one who was REPORTING FOR DUTY??

[vptpt]

14. Sure it would have been a difficult battle

But couldn't he have at least used the time after the election to talk about reform in the election process, maybe setting up a paper trail on the votes, I don't know. It just seems like that period after the last election could have been used a little better, and Kerry should have stepped up.

[blm]

19. He has. He offered Election Reform legislation. He speaks about it almost

weekly. The media gives no reporting on it, even when Kerry marched with John Lewis and 1000s of others last week in Boston and spoke about voting rights.

BTW...Kerry is still involved in 3 election cases in Ohio which get little attention from a media determined to act as if no election fraud exists.

Hell, the GAO report came out two weeks ago and no news channel gave it ANY airtime.

[vptpt]

26. Yeah, now.

But what about immediately after the election? That's when we needed him most. I supported Kerry and voted for him, but I was really depressed the day of the election, and I felt let down by a man who I was counting on to fight for me. I'm not the only person who felt that way.

[blm]

32. If he had the evidence he would have.

Just as he pursued other crimes with no support from other Dems.

But, the greater point that is missed about machine fraud is that the crime is committed BRFORE the election and the machines that ARE rigged are set up to erase the evidence after one use.

The entire Dem party and ALL the Dem candidates rely on the DNC to insure the integrity of the vote before the election.

That didn't happen. The best Kerry can do now is to work to make sure that doesn't happen again. It's not an easy task, since too many other Dems are siding with doing nothing.

[karynnj]

90. He spoke about it on MLK day in Boston

Before that his brother put out a pretty detailed summary of the voter suppresion, some fraud, and irregularities that they could genuinely prove.

[Mabus]

34. I agree

I just looked through his senate webpage and found this on electoral reform:

Free and fair elections are the foundation of our democracy. In the last year, millions more Americans registered and went to the polls than ever before. We saw millions in Iraq and Afghanistan vote for the first time in their lives. Yet, thousands upon thousands of Americans still fear that when they walk into the polls to vote, there is a very real chance that their vote will not be counted or they will lose the opportunity to vote at all because they are forced to stand in line for hours due to a shortage of machines. accountability in our voting system.

source: Electoral Reform

Doing a search on the term "electoral reform" on Kerry's website yielded the following results:

08/03/2005 John Kerry on the 40th Anniversary of the Voting Rights Act
06/22/2005 Kerry Statement on the Release of the DNC Voting Rights Institute Ohio Report
01/06/2005 Statement by Senator Kerry on the Nomination of Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General
01/05/2005 Senator Kerry Statement on the Congressional Certification of Electoral College Results
12/08/2004 Senator John Kerry’s Statement on Election Reform
source:search results of "electoral reform"

I keep hearing that Kerry has proposed legislation but I haven't seen a link to it. Have you?

[flpoljunkie]

62. The Bill is S.450, the Count Every Vote Act of 2005

S.450

Title: A bill to amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 to require a voter-verified paper record, to improve provisional balloting, to impose additional requirements under such Act, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (introduced 2/17/2005) Cosponsors (6)


Sen Boxer, Barbara - 2/17/2005
Sen Dayton, Mark - 3/7/2005
Sen Kerry, John F. - 2/17/2005
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. - 2/17/2005
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. - 3/1/2005
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. - 2/17/2005

Related Bills: H.R.939

Latest Major Action: 2/17/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.

[BobRossi]

4. Kerry punked us all. nt

[drdtroit]

5. Yes, he broke my heart!

I worked my ass off for the campaign, hosted numerous fund raisers and appealed to everyone in my database to help elect Kerry. And then he conceded before the votes were even counted!
:(

[NanceGreggs]

9. IT HAS TO BE ...

... one of the things we look for in a nominee now: Will this man/woman stand up and fight AFTER THE FACT, if election results are suspicious, if 'voting irregularities' are rife?

It's a sad commentary on the state of our election process, but it's something that's going to have to be considered as part of the mix.

[laugle]

54. Your post is right on.....

The election is long over. The next nominee must have a brain and the capacity to FIGHT BACK!!

We all know damn well Bushco would have fought back in a close election.

I watched Democracy Now on link channel and heard that Kerry now says he thinks the election was stolen. It really pissed me off at first, since it's obviously a bit late in the game. But then I thought, what the hell, it makes for somemore bad publicity for Bushco!! The other thing I heard was that Kerry said he didn't fight it because it would be seen as "sour grapes", I then heard Edwards told him "so what"!

[NanceGreggs]

55. And the 'sour grapes' aspect was precisely ...

... what the Repugs were counting on to keep him from opening his mouth. I'm sure they had their talking points all in order to counter whatever he said, had he said it.

It's time to start coming up with Dem talking points AHEAD OF THE GAME so that we're as prepared as they are!

Sour grapes, indeed. What a totally asinine reason for not sticking up for FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS!!!

[laugle]

56. Great minds think alike! I have long thought

the same thing. We need to have some great "talking points" as well, considering the american people seem to have a very short attention span......

And dammit we need a FIGHTER!!! GO HILLARY....but that's a totally different subject!!!

Welcome to DU.....enjoy.....

[BlueIris]

10. DUDE. GIVE IT UP.

Believe what you want about Kerry I guess, but there are literally like twenty threads around here with rants about the same subject.

[Name removed]

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[TayTay]

20. Oh, I see. RW talking points.

If someone questions you then go back and accuse them of getting their talking points from the Right Wingers. Hahahahaha!

I see. Free speech for you but not for the other poster. Anyone who questions your lfoty motives must be working for the other side.

There are lots of people here who are both working to defeat the Republican agenda and completely disagree with your assessment of Sen. Kerry.

It is possible to disagree on certain points and still be working twoard a common goal. Grow up!

Case not closed. I completely disagree with you. And you don't get to own the argument.

[Mass]

30. If the case is closed, why do you think necessary to make it again?

There are more important things in the world that the nth thread about this article.

[Mass]

28. 20, you are short by at least 10.

[second edition]

15. Clueless poster, not Kerry!

I will not argue with you, you wouldn't listen to reason anyway, but I will tell you that most sensible people would read Hersey and third hand information and discredit it. Instead, you seek it out as a means to discredit the one man who has worked harder and had your back more often then a vote or two you may not of agreed with.

I have a suggestion- grow up- voting fraud and disenfranchisement is a huge problem to tackle, especially for a minority party and one senator. It has been around for longer than we have even had elections in this country.
Have you done your part? Who else have you called out for not vigorously investigating these issues? There are 99 other senators and 235 representatives. One person can't be expected to tackle all that is wrong in the election process alone. How active have you been in initiating grassroots efforts and organizing writing and e-mailing campaigns- how about letters to the editors. Have you done any of these things? My guess is you haven't lifted a finger other than to type your crap about Kerry's insincerity and commitment to voting issues.
Frankly, I would support Kerry if he decided to run again. He is a far better person than you will ever recognize or acknowledge.

[jaded_at_best]

18. more lame excuses

voting for Kerry in 2008 is voting Republican.

[second edition]

22. Get real ! Look who is actually ignoring reason to press repub points! n/t

[emulatorloo]

23. That is the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted on DU

and I have seen some real dumb stuff.

[saracat]

35. Really? Check out Kery's voting record. He is 1005 liberal. He is

more liberal than Ted Kennedy. And you call THAT Republican? Grow up. This is NOT a simple issue. Kerry is intelligent and knows he must offer evidence before making allegations. This is a concept some have trouble understanding. It is really too bad when we blame our best Democrats for problems created by the other side. This is the reason we can't win. We don't support our own.

[jaded_at_best]

37. Rated 60% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record

Also voted for WAR, he's not a progressive, case closed.

[Mass]

39. He has the same rating as Boxer for the same year 2002.

and a better one concerning 2003-2004.

And any way ACLU means civil liberties, not civil rights.

As for the vote for the war, it is getting old by now. I guess that you consider Ron Paul a progressive, or Pat Buchanan.

[emulatorloo]

46. ADA lifetime voting records -- Boxer 96 Kennedy 90 Kerry 92

http://www.adaction.org/sen.htm

Americans For Democratic Action, liberal lobbying group

from thier "about page"

<snip>

ADA is America's oldest independent liberal lobbying organization. In the spirit of the New Deal and ADA founders Eleanor Roosevelt, renowned economist John Kenneth Galbraith, and former Senator and Vice President Hubert Humphrey we lobby through coalition partnerships, through direct advocacy, and through the media. Our lobbying philosophy is based on democratic action - motivating our grassroots members to lobby their senators and representatives as constituent-advocates. With 65,000 members nationwide, numerous state and local chapters, and its headquarters in the District of Colombia actively engaging in the political process, ADA continually strives to push for democratic and progressive values and ideals in American policy. Our founders included Eleanor Roosevelt, labor leader Walter Reuther, economist John Kenneth Galbraith, historian Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., theologian Reinhold Niebuhr, and former Vice President Hubert Humphrey.

<snip>

[AZBlue]

25. Well said!!!!!!

I'd add something here but I think you've pretty much covered it all. Thank you!

:applause::woohoo::applause:

[jaded_at_best]

27. Karl Rove

loves Democrats like you.

[AZBlue]

53. You have no idea what you are talking about. 'Nuff said (eom).

[sui generis]

29. clueless answer

this isn't about "better person" or recognizing or acknowledging or that you are the holder of divine best information.

Kerry is not every democrat's democrat and if the Kerry zealots won't recognize and accept that then you are always going to be unhappy with anyone but yourselves, and you are, I remind you, in the party minority on this.

About the "one or two votes" statement: if Kerry's "one or two votes" result in me not being able to have a legal family or that my illegal children might be forced to serve in a disaster of a war he voted for (wordily, but nonetheless, voted for), then those "one or two votes" are ENOUGH out of that man.

There are many many democrats who "have our backs". This is not like the bible, we don't all have to worship one god.

Kerry is a great senator and decent politician, and that's where his focus should remain. He is a lousy political leader and a lousy retry candidate for president.

[second edition]

33. Oh, and you speak for the majority of the party do you! Sure you

do. So he isn't your choice, doesn't give you the right to spread lies and put words in his mouth or misrepresent him to others who may appreciate all he has done. You have no right to discredit him on falsehoods,manipulation of the facts and lies. You don't see us Kerry supports going around totally trying to ruin other candidates reputations or discredit them and their efforts in an effort to stop their candidacies.
Oh, and I'm a member of this party too, and I for one continue to push for Kerry to run again. I think he would be a great leader and a good second runner. Oh, and a zealot I am not, I just recognize a good person and candidate when I see one.

[sui generis]

36. I am not spreading lies or misrepresenting

and if you're going to say something like that, then please give me an example of where I did that.

Kerry voted FOR war. Kerry said he would vote against gay marriage.

Kerry is not my candidate, and IF Senator Kerry takes it upon himself to run again and the DLC shoves him down our collective throats again, you had better be prepared not to take my vote and the vote of people like me for granted this time around, because you aren't going to get it unless Kerry is practically a different person.

We don't want mush mouth. I want real moral values - that all Americans have the SAME rights.

Now please tell me about my "falsehoods, manipulation of facts, and lies" without using an online thesaurus this time.

[Mass]

59. Kerry is not your candidate - One would need to be blind to ignore this

fact. It is your right. We dont need your "virtuous" contempt because we consider he is as good or better than others.

Concerning the two votes you list, you are simplifying the facts (I am not going to bother to repeat why. You know it).

Concerning Kerry running in 08, independently of the fact that it is way too early and that right now I am happy to see my senator work for me (whether you find necessary to say what he does is for 08 or not), it is ridiculous to think the DLC will shove Kerry thru your throat and has in 04. You can live in this delusion, but anybody who knows the fact knows that the strongest supporter of Kerry was Kennedy. The DLC was supporting about anybody by Kerry and Dean and will continue in 08.

It seems however that Kerry's supporters are supposed to shut up or leave. May be we should, after all. Having an interesting discussion cannot be done on the basis of people fixated on 08.

An before you tell me that I dont care about your rights, I am for marriage between any two consenting adult human beings, whoever they are. Actually, the only difference I have with Kerry is that I am ready to use the word marriage. Give me anybody that could be candidate in 08 at this point who does (Kucinich excepted).

[wisteria]

111. Your facts are not correct!

Kerry did not vote to go to war. Please try to understand that Kerry's IWR vote was not a for war /against war vote. Kerry's vote did noting more that permit Bush the authority every President requests during time of aggression and war. His vote had specific stipulations and warnings attached to it. All of which Bush disregarded after promising to pursue them all. if Kerry is guilty of anything it is trusting that our President- the leader of our country- would keep his word.
I will not argue with you concerning full Gay Rights. I tend to agree with Kerry on this issue. He supports Civil Unions and I realize that some want full rights. I believe that for now, Civil Unions are acceptable. Sometimes, change takes time and when the change comes it was well worth waiting for.
Sorry you wouldn't vote for him again. I think you might have difficulties finding a candidate that meets your ideals.

[Vektor]

78. This sums it all up, right here:

"You don't see us Kerry supports going around totally trying to ruin other candidates reputations or discredit them and their efforts in an effort to stop their candidacies."

Damn right. NEVER do you see that. I think this fact speaks volumes, no?

[Arkana]

48. No, it's not about "better person", but us sticking Mr. Kerry in the back

with that vote every time he opens his mouth is akin to the Republicans squawking "Chappaquiddick! Chappaquiddick!" every time Ted Kennedy says something. It's not fair to him--he's done a lot of good for his constituents. I realize that Kerry is not loved universally, but to say that those of us who respect and admire him are idiots isn't fair either.

[sui generis]

49. I didn't say that anyone is an idiot

what is it with having Kerry supporters put words in peoples' mouths?

I think that he has many admirable qualities, but I don't think he would make a great president.

But regarding the comparison to Chappaquiddick - (or rather the "squawking" as you put it), the point is that you have to be better than that at the time it's required, you have to be faster on your feet. It's all we peons have to judge a candidate by.

A track record of brilliant rejoinders twenty minutes too late (or a year or two later) does not make one what I would call a leader worthy of the office of president.

I'm not knocking Kerry the senator. I'm just saying that a different set of qualifications for the particular requirements of the presidency is required than Kerry exhibited at the time. It wasn't meant to be hate speech against Kerry - just an explanation of my views.

:hi:

[Arkana]

51. You're right, with the idiot thing I'm generalizing.

I've been called an idiot for supporting Kerry--it was particularly poignant right after the SElection.

I guess I'm just frustrated with the fact that people here are allowing Kerry to be defined by his war vote. He made a mistake. No one is perfect. He made the mistake of believing the Turd Brigade.

And in the end, he did NOT vote for war. What he voted for was a resolution that would go to war as a LAST RESORT. How was Kerry to know that Turdboy would simply leapfrog all the other options?

[Vektor]

73. Indeed!

I'm sure that this individual with his one-line suicide bomb attacks has accomplished SO much more in his life than Kerry has, ya know?

Have you ever noticed how EVERY ONE OF THESE POSTS is, without fail, written by someone with a massively over-inflated sense of entitlement who thinks that Kerry "owes them something." They can't take it upon themselves to be the change they want to see in the world, they will just bitch and moan about how "KERRY FAILED ME."

Waaaahhhh. Maybe they ought to get up off their asses and do for themselves instead of expecting Kerry, or any other to do for them.

[firefox]

16. He could have at least said ....

A voting machine without a paper trail is not a voting machine.

[johnaries]

24. Look, Kerry is a Lawyer, and a dam good one. he KNOWS that you don't

make such public accusations unless you have enough evidence to prove it. In court.

Stating publicly what everyone knows but nobody can prove is counter-productive.

[sui generis]

38. I agree with you on this -

However, Kerry should have been leading the charge on recounts, election reform, etc., his actions would have spoken far far louder than words.

But he didn't act, so as far as I'm concerned he's neither talkin' nor walkin', and his rejoinder to the war two years later is unconscionably belated.

[johnaries]

42. But he DID push for Election Reform almost immediately after the 2004

fiasco, and has been pushing for it ever since. This is not a rejoinder 2 years later, this is a continuation of the work he's been doing since the Election was over.

[sendero]

43. I hear this over and over...

... so I'll tell you what....


If Kerry doesn't have the evidence who's fault is that? EVERYONE KNEW they would try to steal Ohio and Florida. They were already caught pulling stunts in Ohio BEFORE THE FUCKING ELECTION.

Either he 1) didn't really think the Repubs would actually steal the election, in which case he is a fucking dufus, or 2) he knew it and decided there was nothing he could do about it un which case he is worse.

I sat here for a solid month after the election listening to folks LIKE YOU, INSISTING that Kerry was working BEHIND THE SCENES blah blah blah, when a person with two brain cells would know that the window of opportunity to prove ANYTHING would be measured in DAYS.

But, let's but that aside for right now. Forget the election. Forget the stupid IWR vote, Kerry covered his ass with a nice speech. The American presidency is not a merit system vote, it is PEOPLE voting their GUT. Kerry had as good a chance as anyone ever gets to make himself FELT and he failed. I don't want to see the Democratic party WASTE another of these limited opportunities on a cold fish like John Kerry.

My problem with Kerry is that I watch him on TV and I SEE NO PASSION, I DO NOT SEE A MAN WHO INSPIRES PEOPLE, hell, even Bush** can do that.

[LittleClarkie]

110. That's what I think as well

Not just a lawyer, but a former DA, who never lost a case.

A person like that doesn't just go off half cocked.

[sui generis]

41. I am sick of DU'ers spouting "RW talking points": listen up

not everything you disagree with is a right wing talking point.

Left wing authoritarianism is just as bad as right wing authoritarianism, and even worse on a progressive site.

People have brains and can think for themselves. If someone is here discussing things you object to, for the most part it's not to threaten anyone's fragile sense of belonging. It's to discuss and share and perhaps integrate new information from the dialogue.]

Just saying "RW talking points" and stomping off in a huff is not very productive, participatory, or constructive.

:schoolmarm:

[Vektor]

68. Some people just call it as they see it.

If it walks like a duck....

[LiberalPartisan]

44. Recalling Kerry's Iowa win

I remember the talking heads saying that democrats really loved Howard Dean but didn't think he could beat Bush so they opted for Kerry. While Dean might have lost to Bush I think the net results would have been a stonger and more focused democratic party sooner. No doubt Dean will do great things as DNC Chair - I just wish he had been the nominee and kicked Dubya's keister. Oh well...just rambling here.

[jaded_at_best]

58. Dean is a true patriot and a Democrat

Kerry, a fraud. In any event, Kerry has as much chance to get the nomination in 2008 as OJ Simpson does, so we don't have to worry about him any longer. From what we can see on this thread he does have a small, exotic following, but he would not get more than 5%.

I just wish he'd shut up.

[Mass]

60. Why are you obsessed with 08? We have 06 to fight for.

I guess 05 is too late now.

[Name removed]

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[LittleClarkie]

72. Look at my sig picture

Dean seems to think Kerry's alright.

Dean sure liked his Iraq plan last week.

Meanwhile, back at the rance, I've never been called exotic before. Thanks!

[Vektor]

74. It's really quite a compliment, no?

*exotic*....

OOh!

[Carolab]

112. Dean was sabotaged by the party.

Look it up. "A Political Mugging in America".

Here's the link.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/report.aspx?aid=194

[mtnsnake]

45. I think there was fraud.No there wasnt.I suspect there was.Wait a minute

Will that cover me from all angles?

Typical Kerry

[Freddie Stubbs]

185. There is a big difference in saying that there was some fraud and

saying there was enough fraud to change the outcome of the elction. I've been around long enough to know that was certainly some fraud committed by the supporters of BOTH parties last year. Was there enough to change the outcome of the election? I have yet to see evidence to support that.

[Arkana]

47. Does Sen. Kerry have a big bullseye painted on his forehead or something?

:eyes:

[sui generis]

50. I find it interesting in these Kerry episodes

that his defenders never get around to discussing Kerry's inexplicable views on same sex marriage.

As I recall, he didn't say he was being strategic - he was saying that he personally thought it was wrong but that we should have a separate but "equal" institution provided that the decision was made at the state level for us to "be allowed" to have a legal family.

It's not a defensible viewpoint, and I don't see that he's changed his stance.

This does impact me and my "family" every day in every way. We are not legally recognized as full American citizens, except on April 15th of every year.

In some states my kids can be taken away from me merely because I'm gay. Any hospital anywhere in the country can legally keep me from being at the bedside of my life partner, in both elective day surgery and in a life threatening emergency, regardless of my explicit wishes that next of kin NOT be allowed to see me.

What IS your stance? Just curious - sometimes silence speaks volumes.

[Arkana]

52. "Just curious - sometimes silence speaks volumes."

With all due respect, what the fuck does that mean?

I've ALWAYS supported GLBT rights--to marry, to adopt, to do whatever the hell they want. I didn't say I agreed with Kerry on everything--I'm not a Catholic like he is, so I'm not religion-bound.

It is also my express belief that while Kerry probably would not actively work to secure marriage, adoption, and other rights for gays, he would sign legislation if it passed through Congress.

No one's forcing you to bow and worship John Kerry--if they are, shame on them. But don't infer that we shouldn't support him because you don't like him.

[emulatorloo]

57. Kerry - Full partnership rights and civil rights for gay/lesbian couples

Funny what google will turn up

Kerry is hung up on the term "marriage" I guess. But he is for civil unions w full partnership rights etc for gay/lesbian couples families.


http://www.ontheissues.org/2004/John_Kerry_Civil_Rights.htm#Gay_Rights

<snip>

Q: What can you do to help make sure that gays and lesbians have an opportunity to build and love their families?
A: I have always fought for the right of people to be able to be treated equally in America. Long before there was a television show or a march in Washington. In 1985, I was the sole sponsor of the Civil Rights Act to make sure we enforced that in America. I am for partnership rights. I am for civil union. I am for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. I am for the hate crimes legislation
Source: CNN "Rock The Vote" Democratic Debate Nov 5, 2003
Provide gays and lesbians with full coverage of civil rights

We have great difficulties in providing people with full coverage of civil rights in this country, particularly gays and lesbians. Source: KERRY/WELD: CLASH OF THE TITANS, PBS.org Jun 5, 1996

The Constitution calls for same-sex partnership rights

I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. But I also believe because we're the USA, we're a country with a great, unbelievable Constitution, with rights that we afford people, that you can't discriminate in the rights that you afford people. You can't disallow someone the right to visit their partner in a hospital. You have to allow people to transfer property, which is why I'm for partnership rights. With respect to DOMA & the marriage laws, the states have always been able to manage those laws Source: Third Bush-Kerry debate, in Tempe AZ Oct 13, 2004

<snip>

[Mass]

61. Kerry has advocated for all you describe here except for one thing

use of the word marriage. I do understand that it is important for you (though except if you live in MA, it may take a while for you to get it).

He has not changed his stance on that, I agree. He is wrong on that, I agree, but you may want to know what he stands for to know on what he is wrong.

However, the problem is that I would like to spend a lot more time discussing on issues and a lot less about Kerry. These discussions are just ridiculous. If Kerry is dead, why spend our time discussing about him? I wont spend one minute discussing about Lieberman's presidential ambitions. This is what I dont understand about these threads about Kerry. Nobody jumps in the threads supporting Warner (I doubt he is for gay marriage), about Edwards (he is not for gay marriage either), about Bayh (is he for gay marriage?). So, why do you and few other obsess on Kerry this much.

[LittleClarkie]

66. Same sex as it pertains to the vote in Ohio?

Maybe that's because the thread isn't on that topic.

But you may recall that Clinton urged Kerry to somehow come out in favor of DOMA, because Clinton thought it was going to be a big factor in the election. He may have been right, but when Kerry got off the phone with him, he told one of his staffers that doing such a thing was something he could never do.

How was his stance any different than most of the rest of the candidates this last time around, aside from Kucinich. Most of them walked that middle road.

And at least Kerry has said that he doesn't legislate his personal beliefs, as opposed to a certain Republican we all know and can barely tolerate.

[Vektor]

71. Change the subject much? Deflect much?

We aren't even DISCUSSING gay marriage here, so why SHOULD anyone be talking about that? This is yet another useless crybaby thread whining about heresy regarding election fraud and what Kerry allegedly did or didn't say. Maybe you can start your own rant about how Kerry "HATES THE GAYS." :eyes:

It might even be an interesting diversion from the billionth thread about Kerry's supposed conversation with a wanna-be reporter that doesn't mean dick since it cannot be substantiated.

[sandnsea]

93. Protection, Not Perfection

We couldn't even get gay civil unions and gay rights legislation in Oregon. Gay rights groups worked so hard just to get it onto the agenda, and almost got it passed. It would have been a HUGE step forward for gay families. Gay marriage failed everywhere. Even in Oregon, only 1 county voted not to ban gay marriage. It is just a reality. Kerry supports gay rights that can be achieved today. Protection, Not Perfection.

[karynnj]

96. He actually did explain it

Marriage is not only a legal situation but a sacrament in the Catholic church. He is for civil unions with full rights - just not called "marriage". Dean is only for civil unions too.

Kerry is for giving equal rights.

I have no problem with using either word. "would a rose by any other name ...... I am not Catholic.

[Vektor]

70. Yes, all great men do.

And lesser men with lesser..."attributes" will always try to tear them down no matter what.

It says more about the cry-babies than it does about Kerry, really.

[snowbear]

63. I understand his hesitation in challenging the vote to some degree..

..Because he would have encountered non-stop incredibly negative press. I still think he "should" have done it.. but it was his call.

There is something I think he can do though. :think: Senator Kerry and Teresa Heinz-Kerry could donate some big bucks to having Diebold investigated.

I realize it won't bring back election day 2004 --- but if I had his mega-millions and thought that the machines were being tampered with, I'd dump some major money into excellerating the investigation of Diebold and any other shady electronic voting devices.

[karynnj]

99. In what jurisdiction

It's not money that gets you investigations, it's evidence - and I certainly think amd hope the Kerrys have the integrity not to buy that.

[snowbear]

139. Sorry.. didn't mean he should investigate specific jurisdictions..

I was just suggesting that "if" I had his money and I suspected there were serious problems with electronic voting machines.. that I'd probably be donating $$ to those who are working to expose the problems with the machines. That's all.

Er.. :crazy: ...Sorry for the confusion.

In a nutshell, I just hope like hell that Wally O'Dell is busted soon!! :)

[LittleClarkie]

65. You'd rather he said he DIDN'T think it was stolen?

Actually, some here would rather he kept his mouth shut. I'm one of them. Quiet moves here and there are fine, but God forbid he should move out in front on this issue.

A lawsuit here, a speech there, alittle nudging of a colleague or two. But that's it. I've already gotten a taste of what the Right Wing will do with the issue of fraud if Kerry even peeps. Even the hint of a rumor of a peep from Miller had Hannity painting Kerry as if he were a fat, bearded Gore-like ranter (his take, not mine.)

Yeah, man, that'll help the cause. :sarcasm:

[Name removed]

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[LittleClarkie]

75. "Too little, too late" "flip flopper! flip flopper!" "Skull and Bones!"

"Did he vote for it before he voted against it?"

Yeah, I wouldn't mind some new material once in a while myself.

[Vektor]

77. HAHAHAH - SKULL AND BONEZ!!!11

I bet they play Dungeons and Dragons too. It's all about that sinister Kerry Blaque Magique, isn't it? :-)

[LittleClarkie]

79. Hey now. *I* play Dungeons and Dragons.

I tend to think of Kerry as a paladin, fighting the ogres and trolls of this administration. ;)

[Vektor]

80. Fair enough...

*my liege....*

:rofl:

[Vektor]

81. You cannot be serious!!!

OH MY GOD. What horseshit! Total trollery is allowed, but questioning it is not?

What website are we on?

EDITED TO ADD::grr:

Wow. Seriously.

[upi402]

76. Love Kerry, but agree 100% DINOs OUT!

Zero tolerance for DINOs
No more
zero
.

[LittleClarkie]

82. Who would that be?

Hillary? Leiberman? Biden? Bayh?

Surely the most 11th most liberal Senator is no DINO, esp since he's come out with a timeline for withdrawing from Iraq.

[zulchzulu]

83. Looks like someone doesn't like to do their homework...

Ah yes, another stupid Kerry bashing thread...brought to you by some lazy putz too unwilling to actually know the real story.

Like a zit, these types of things happen here on DU... like getting rid of zits, a little truth helps keep the infestation away...

But first, a letter from Conyers about Kerry's efforts:

Maybe you didn't read this from John Conyers:

"Fighting for Every Voter"

A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me. As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes...

A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me.

As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes. After the election, whether won or lost, many candidates leave the irregularities of the election behind. But we owe the voters more than that. When voters are disenfrachised, we owe it to them to seek justice and expose the truth. That is why I have been so proud of the Kerry-Edwards campaign's ongoing involvement in the investigation and litigation of what went wrong in Ohio. I wrote to the candidates recently to ask that they continue to be involved in this important endeavor.

This is not about the past. It is about figuring out what went wrong and why -- and then getting the next election right, not for the Democratic Party, but for all of the voters."

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000213.htm

More:
What Went Wrong In Ohio
http://www.harpers.org/WhatWentWrongInOhio.html

[zulchzulu]

85. Some more...

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/the_perfect_election_day_crime.php

[ProSense]

84. There is one thing that makes sense in the OP:

If Kerry said, and I do mean if, that he suspects the election was stolen, then it's correct to say that does no good now. There is a big difference between the impact of a suspicion and actual evidence. Which is why I suspect he would never and should never utter that sentiment in a public statement.

Smart man that Kerry.

[LittleClarkie]

86. Which is why "You wuz robbed, Senator" "I know"

being reported as "John Kerry now says that he thinks the election was stolen" bugged me so much.

Because without hard, take it to court evidence, he would never say those words. And he shouldn't.

Suspect all you want, work quietly toward cleaner elections (which he is doing, actually) but don't come out half-cocked without a whistleblower or the computer data in your hot little hand.

Smart man that Kerry, indeed.

But this isn't Mark Miller talking about party chat. This is a long-time friend of Kerry's giving his overall impression of how he think Kerry feels right now. I can accept that.

[ProSense]

87. I know, just referring to the first line of the OP

:hi:

[Crunchy Frog]

89. I just wanted to say that I find this sort of gratuitous bashing

of Democrats on this board very distateful. I can understand the anger over the failure to get Bush out of office, and I share it, but this sort of inflammatory stuff is simply divisive and counterproductive.

I wish that we could give threads negative reccomendations because that is what I would do with this one.

[robbedvoter]

92. This is an article by a very reputable journalist on a capital issue

What's "gratuituous" about my right to vote?

[Vektor]

94. It's not all about you, so get over yourself!

This relentless bashing nonsense is INDEED totally gratuitous.

You know, it's funny, yet sad, how you can look at a totally bogus thread making false unsubstantiated claims about another person - totally smearing and slandering that person, and make it about YOU and how YOU were robbed.

No one said a damn thing about YOUR right to vote. No one questioned your right. Nobody was dwelling on you and your whims for once, is that OK? Stop crying "ME ME ME" and realize that slandering other people IS NOT OK. This is not about YOU AT ALL. Crunchy Frog was denouncing this tactic of smearing someone repeatedly over heresy and how wrong that is, and by some grand arrogant leap, you somehow twisted it into "you want to take away MY RIGHT TO VOTE".

Yes, we're all taking about you and how we can disadvantage you personally. :eyes:

[robbedvoter]

183. It is about ME, THE VOTER or said differently, the democracy.

I take that stuff personally - this country/world would be a better place if more of you would. barring that, try at least to grasp the notion.
To much stuff is written from the point of view of BFEE, political parties, this and that politician.
On this issue, I am writing for the American people. This who Me is and it's a bit more important that your need to protect your favoritest whomever.

[sandnsea]

95. This OP is actually hysterical, in retrospect

It does not matter what the man does, the Kerry haters attack. He doesn't say the election stolen, attacked. He says the election was stolen, still attacked. Said Bush misled the country on the war, 2 years ago, not good enough. Has to use the word LIE. Carter says Bush misled the country, 2 weeks ago, hallelujah!!!

There are people here who live and breathe to attack the man and I have never figured it out. I can't hold this kind of vengeance against anybody, not even Howard Dean and most people know how much I hated him.

It's beyond comprehension or rational explanation.

[Vektor]

98. He could birth the second coming of Jesus, full grown from his bunghole...

And these individuals would attack.

"Ya know, Kerry finally asked for an epidural toward the end there, and that's a yellow bellied cop-out! Weak spineless Kerry! Gave ass-birth to the full grown messiah and had the colossal gall to ask for PAIN MEDS!!"

I think it's all envy based, and quite pathetic.

[jaded_at_best]

102. lol

what's to envy about Kerry? His billions? Get off it.

The last thing the Democratic Party needed in 2004 was a mealy-mouthed, weak, wimpy and middle-of-the-road coward like Kerry leading it. Kerry, you lost when you didn't call Bush a W-ar criminal, an AWOL National Guardsman, an election thief, and a mass-murderer. Go to hell, you lukewarm loser!

[Vektor]

104. Sounds like a classic case of penis envy to me right now.

Do you want a little more rope to hang yourself with? Because your true colors are showing and oooooh, boy are they laughable.

What's to envy? Yes, billions are a good start. Caustic wit, Unbelievable intelligence. Imposing height. Dashing looks. Political power. That silky Alan Rickman voice. Oh, yeah, and he doesn't have to piss away his nights on DU ranting about other peoples' imagined short-comings and whining like a sissy in order to feel good about his tiny, bitter self.

For starters.

[jaded_at_best]

180. lol

First off: Kerry didn't make his billions, he married them.

Unbelievable intelligence? He lost an election to a man with an IQ of minus 30.

Political power? He's got none. He says the election was stolen from right under his nose but had the political power to do NOTHING about it.

Dashing looks? He looks like Herman The Monster.

Penis envy? I'm half his age, gay and live in NYC. I'm not married to a woman close to 70 and I guarantee you that, just in the last 12 months alone, I had more sex than Kerry did in his whole entire life.

As for pissing away my nights on DU, you have just insulted this whole community, just so you could defend a LOSER.

[Vektor]

181. Waah. You were the one the post was directed at - not the whole community

And as for yet another bout of childish name calling, and NOW resorting to insulting the man's wife to boot, (who is a knock out, by the way - thanks for your admitted ageism) you are REALLY showing your colors. You can argue all you want and try to defend your tenuous position by hurling kindergarten insults, but it only reflects poorly on you. And as for being gay, living in NYC and bragging about being promiscuous, I'm not sure how that hides the obvious penis envy (it illustrates it, actually)

Who the Hell is "Herman the Monster?" No such character exists, but nice try. SUPER mature there. How old are you exactly?

Billions are billions no matter where they come from, (jealous much) and as for all the other nonsense you spewed, clearly a flailing attempt to boost your sagging self esteem by putting down a man who puts you to shame in about a hundred different ways.

We all know he didn't "lose the election" - isn't that what you have been sniveling about this whole time - that there was election theft and Kerry didn't rant loud enough for your tastes? Contradict yourself much?

As for political power - how long have YOU been on the Senate? How long have you been a visible public figure? How long has your name been known worldwide? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE besides slander and moan? Lastly, I never defended a loser. I defended a hero. You childishly attacked a great man, and in the process, showed who the real loser was.

Get over yourself there, princess. Your comedic value is dwindling fast.

[LittleClarkie]

97. Jonathan Winer was a journalist?

Kerry Suspects Election 2004 Was Stolen

By Robert Parry
November 6, 2005

"Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate in 2004, has told acquaintances over the past year that he suspects that the election was stolen, but that he didn’t challenge the official results because he lacked hard proof and anticipated a firestorm of criticism if he pressed the point.

Kerry heard all the disquieting stories” about voting irregularities in Ohio and other states, said Jonathan Winer, a longtime Kerry adviser and a former deputy assistant secretary of state. “But he didn’t have the evidence to do more.”

On the other hand, Mark Crispin Miller is a professor and an author. A journalist he is not. A journalist would have known better than to play "he said, he said" and would not have turned "You were robbed, Senator" and "I know" into “He told me he now thinks the election was stolen." A journalist would have conducted an interview. That was not an interview. That was party chat.

[Crunchy Frog]

100. There's nothing gratuitous about your right to vote Robbed,

and I hope you know that you're one of my favorite posters. And I understand and share your anger about the stolen election. I'm just tired of seeing this bashing of Democrats. I love Wes Clark and I know how it makes me feel when people keep gratuitously bashing him, and I just think that the Kerry people must feel the same way.

I just wish there was a way we could express our strong feelings without doing it in a way that's hurtful towards others on this board who are decent people and who love their guy too.

[LittleClarkie]

101. Or Dean, or Gore, etc, etc.

How long would I last here if I kept coming up with "Waffle-powered Howard" every time Dean was mentioned. Or "Clark is a Replican in Dems Clothing" every time Wes was mentioned. Not long, I reckon.

Exactly. We feel the same as the supporters of anyone else. Sometimes I wish folks would realize that when Dean folks talk about Dean, or Clark folks talk about Clark, or Kerry folks talk about Kerry, we're talking about somebody we've been paying attention to and therefore know quite well. We are not apologists. We are merely knowledgeable.

Sometimes I just wish that folks would get new material. "Did he vote for it before he voted against it" is so old it needs a walker to get around.

It feels like the factions from the primaries never disbanded, actually. And right now, we don't need to be factionalized. We need to be united.

Which is not to say that folks cannot criticize. That would be silly on a discussion board. But stuff like the OP is designed to fan the flames. We don't need that from folks who are supposed to be on the same side.

[Vektor]

103. And the thing is, you, like I, would never do that!

We have enough respect for other people and the choices they make to not attack their candidates like a pack of rabid badgers. No matter how often I am attacked simply for supporting the candidates I like - by my own party no less - and no matter how many attacks on my guys I have to endure I will NEVER stoop to the level of posting snarky trash about someone else's choice.

What the fuck good does that do? None.

[robbedvoter]

184. Just saying, democracy - more important than personal feelings

no matter whose.

[_dynamicdems]

124. Of course it's distasteful...it is being instigated by

Republicans!

What better way to undermine us than to slip in here pretending to be "lib-er-als" and wait for any chance that comes along to exploit Democrats by using our disappointments against us? And they are succeeding! It shouldn't be allowed here, but it is.

Divide and conquer. Will people ever learn?

This is sad. This whole thing is very, very sad.

[wisteria]

105. To much bad karma here, we need some good Kerry karma!

The man is one of our best Dem politicians. He is intelligent, articulate, well spoken, humble, a free thinker, forthright, honest, a visionary, caring, hardworking, tough, knowledgeable, sensible funny, witty, serious, driven and strong. Feel free to add some good thoughts here. We've had enough of the negative thoughts.

[Vektor]

106. How about a little *LOVER'S HAIKU*

large kerry missile
always prompts a lesser man
to post more flame bait

dwarfed by the manhood
kerry critics look so small
and oh boy, are they

can't compare to him
stuffing socks into their pants
envying his girth

[wisteria]

113. Thats so funny! thanks for posting. n/t

[Vektor]

115. It's just what this thread needed.

Anytime!

[_dynamicdems]

125. LOL! I really like your use of....

metaphor.

[WildEyedLiberal]

126. ROFL

As always, you kill them with humor. :rofl:

Oh so true.


Here's mine:

Very tiny men
Envy the mighty manhood
Lash out in anger

[Vektor]

129. Oooh oooh! My turn!

choke on this, bitches
the bulk of kerry's big truth
it hurts doesn't it?

[WildEyedLiberal]

135. Kinky:

The Kerry beefsteak
Served with extra special sauce
Mmmm, so delicious.

[Vektor]

137. OMG BETTER THAN SHAKESPEARE!

beautiful fingers
oh the magic they can do
just the beginning

[WildEyedLiberal]

140. An ode:

John is my hero
A knight in shining armor
Ravish me, O Liege

[Vektor]

142. Brings tears to the eyes.....

Gorgeous!

beautiful tube steak
lovely with a fine merlot
goes good with red meat

[WildEyedLiberal]

145. Another ode.

Our stalwart hero
Masculine, strong, and handsome
Envied by weak men

[Vektor]

148. Ode-de-LAY

incredible girth
scares the common man to death
but we can take it

[WildEyedLiberal]

156. Alas, I fear the night is winding down for me

Alas, sleep calls me
Must wake up in time for class
Off to dream of John

[Vektor]

161. Excellent ending!

If this crap is still being stirred tomorrow, we can post more money shots and tube steak haiku! YAY!

[LittleClarkie]

107. Kerry krishna, Kerry krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Kerry, Kerry

[Vektor]

108. OMG - I LOVE that picture! Even the old ladies know where the WMD is at!

That one on the right is pointing to the back room, saying "Senator, why don't you follow me in there so we can make the beast with two backs?"

[LittleClarkie]

109. I got yer your weapon of mass distraction right here

[Vektor]

114. *oh good god*

*shudder*
*mmmpppfffthhh...ggrrAAUUGHHHHH...YEEEEAAAAAUUUUWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW*
*ungh*
:smoke:

[wisteria]

119. I'm going to keep it clean, nice picture of the family , oh and Kerry

looks real good to.

[Vektor]

120. How about a nice clean picture of Kerry...IN THE POOL?!?!

I want to eat this with a side of strawberries:

[WildEyedLiberal]

143. I want to lick him dry.

Mmmmm.

[Vektor]

147. OMG LOOK AT THIS:

That's me kneeling in the podium.

[WildEyedLiberal]

151. Shouldn't he be looking more... euphoric?

:evilgrin:

[Vektor]

155. Oh, hell, I am just getting started! That was the BEFORE PICTURE.

The AFTER picture is just too messy.

[WildEyedLiberal]

157. You naughty girl, you

John will be so glad that we are COMING to Boston!

[Vektor]

160. He will not survive the fleshfest.

It's ON.

[_dynamicdems]

150. I've never seen this photo before. Very artsy.

Intriguing. I love photos that make you wonder what the subject is thinking. This photo makes me wonder about the photographer, as well. I think it is the way the subject is looking up at the person taking the photo. Mysterious expression. You don't know if he's angry, plotting mischief (like knocking someone in the pool) or simply looking up because someone said "cheese."

When year was this taken, do you know?

[WildEyedLiberal]

153. It was taken last year for the year's end edition of Time magazine

God he is so smoking hot.

[_dynamicdems]

164. Wow, that's a surprise. I would have thought it was

taken a few years back. He looks younger.

[WildEyedLiberal]

166. I think it's cuz his hair is darker because it's all wet

Either way he is HOT.

[_dynamicdems]

170. Very nice photo.

And that's all I'm gonna say!

[Vektor]

171. That's ok...

We get it! :-)

[Vektor]

167. I made an artsy mess in my pants when I saw it.

Nothing a little Spray and Wash couldn't handle.

[wisteria]

116. Cute picture! n/t

[Vektor]

117. Uterine implosion.

No wonder all the envy is in the air. JESUS he is hot.

Edited to add: I WOULD HIT THAT.

[LittleClarkie]

118. Those old ladies are just adorable

I wonder how old John was when this was taken. He looks like he's barely out of his twenties, though it might be when he was campaigning for Senator.

Or Congressman... hrm. I wish I knew.

But yeah, cute as all get out.

[WildEyedLiberal]

121. More hotness

WHO COULD DISLIKE THIS MAN???

Only a very bitter, very angry, very petty person.

[Vektor]

122. Yup. Total beefcake.

That was me in the Teddy Bear costume.

[WildEyedLiberal]

128. You wish this was you:

Especially during the afterparty :o

[Vektor]

130. No I wish THIS was me:

By "this" I mean that notepad.

[WildEyedLiberal]

132. Just throw all caution to the wind

You wanna be this pair of tight, hot jeans, barely encasing his mammoth manhood.

[Vektor]

133. Dammit!

I now have a painful clitoral boner.

[WildEyedLiberal]

136. Will this help?

Not one but TWO HOTT DEMS.

YOW!!!!

[Vektor]

138. Great! *it* burst!

Little bits of shrapnel everywhere!

But ahh....what a way to go!

[_dynamicdems]

158. I know this has become a naughty thread, but this is a nice photo.

This is a seriously beautiful photo of two great Americans. I'm blushing about the context, but the photos are very nice.

[WildEyedLiberal]

162. Aren't they both gorgeous?

This is one damn fine looking party.

[Vektor]

165. OMG - being the meat in that sandwich...

would ruuuuuule.

[Vektor]

163. You can indulge on a lesser note.

But still feel the hot dem love! :-)

[LittleClarkie]

123. See, all he really wants is a hug

Who wouldn't wanna hug THIS:

[Vektor]

127. Yes please....OR THIS!?!?!!?

(I think these pants are what is upsetting some of these individuals.)

They accuse him of being too right, and he definitely is leaning right in this picture. WHOOOOO. :wow: But I can forgive it.

[WildEyedLiberal]

131. LOOK HOW SWEET HE IS

AWWWW - SO CUTE! I JUST WANT TO HUG AND SNUGGLE HIM!

(The puppy's cute too). :evilgrin:

[Vektor]

134. Nuzzling sounds good too.

OMG - SOON. WE WILL BE IN HIS PRESENCE.

[WildEyedLiberal]

141. I'll be sure to give him extra love to make up for the dumbasses here

Every time a freep troll smears John, I love him just a little bit more.

[Vektor]

144. And I will write another TUBE STEAK themed haiku.

It's only fair.

[LittleClarkie]

146. Puppies flock to him like...

puppies I guess.

[Vektor]

149. *Dies of Cute*

And the puppy is not bad either!

[Adelante]

186. That's a wonderful pic

And you guys are cracking me the fuck up :D

[Skip Intro]

152. I'm really growing tired of this bullshit attack on Kerry.

There was nothing he could immediately after the election - short of proof, there was NOTHING he could do. PLEASE CORRECT ME ON THIS!

The bashing is growing tiresome.

[WildEyedLiberal]

154. I smell pizza... do you?

Nothing like a nice frozen pizza late at night.

[Vektor]

159. Us too - that's why we are now just concentrating on his giant manhood.

Good times.

[_dynamicdems]

168. I'm just relieved that Senator Kerry is too busy....

to be browsing the posts here. Can you imagine if he saw these? Oh my.

[Vektor]

169. He would LOVE these.

It's the bullshit lies upthread that would be of no use to him.

But the hot Kerry love? He'd have to be down with that. :-)

[_dynamicdems]

173. I've learned a new term tonight.

And to think what I would have missed if I had simply gone to sleep.

[Vektor]

174. Is it the um... "C.B."

You know, the condition I had earlier? Before the explosion?

[_dynamicdems]

176. Uh, that too...but I was thinking of the term...

"hot Kerry love"

LOL!

[Vektor]

178. I think about that all he time!

On that note off to bed! Nice talking with you and by all means, do jump in on another hot Kerry love thread!

[LittleClarkie]

172. Most of the liberals I run into

out in the real world seem to feel the same, even if they believe in the fraud. I mostly don't hear out there what I see so often here. Only once at a Peace Action Coalition office.

I agree.

[Vektor]

177. Again LittleClarkie - it has been fun!

Thanks for being a voice of reason! I am off to bed - gotta get my beauty sleep. Might run into John Kerry next month! ;-)

[LittleClarkie]

179. WITH our birthday cards in tow I hope!

If we can just get them back to y'all in time!

[ncrainbowgrrl]

187. Locking.

This thread is flamebait. It is not surprising that it has turned into a flamefest.
Thank you for understanding.