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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:26 AM
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Governator faces humiliation over plans to revive California
Times
From Chris Ayres in Los Angeles



AFTER just two years in office, Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Hollywood action star-turned-Governor of California, is in danger of terminating himself amid a spectacular public backlash against his plans to revive the Golden State.

The musclebound “governator” is facing a crucial special election on Tuesday with only 33 per cent support in what could become one of the worst political miscalculations by a governor in recent memory.

He wants to cap the state’s spending and curb its unions. But in a televised debate on Thursday night, his brutal change of political fortune was made clear as he was called a fraud and shouted down by members of the audience.

Pollsters say that if Mr Schwarzenegger loses more than two of his four “propositions” on the ballot on Tuesday, it could be impossible for him to win re-election next year as governor of the world’s eighth-largest economy, ending one of the most unusual political careers in US history.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1858683,00.html
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:28 AM
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1. He needs ALL of them as "no wins"

We want him gone now!

Their is a RECALL effort in the works now.
It will hopefully put even more pressure on the Froper.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:31 AM
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4. I haven't seen anyone asking for signatures for a recall?
because I will sign it


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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:49 AM
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12. Still moving through the Sacramento Bureaucracy
As is "Son of Prop 75" -- that would require shareholder approval on corporate political contributions.

And "Grandson of Prop 75" -- that would extend Prop 75 "Paycheck Protection" to non-union employees with respect to so-called "Voluntary Employee PACS" at private employers -- Guess what - they are not voluntary.
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SONUVABUSH Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:29 AM
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2. ?
Looks like he lied about special interest. He doesn't support special interests (only the ones that help him out).
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:30 AM
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3. LOL - looks like the public is on to both Dubya and Ahnold
Edited on Sat Nov-05-05 12:19 PM by Skittles
WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:31 AM
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5. turnout is crucial
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:36 AM
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7. Turn out SURE IS critical! I don't live in Cal. so I can't do much,
but if you know ANTBODY in Cal, PLEASE beg, plead ask and insist that they tak the time to vote!

If people don't want these Props to pass, voter apathy could just cause them to stay home due to disinterest! If that happens, that mere 33% could be the only ones to vote, and the damn things will pass!
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:52 AM
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13. yes I agree - Bernie Ward last night ...
There was a lawyer on Bernie Ward last night (check the archives AT -http://www.kgoam810.com/Article.asp?PT=Archive&id=49920 - 10:00 p.m until 1:00 a.m. (lawyer was on after Barbara Boxer was on - 2nd hour), it is very likely still there) and this lawyer was saying exactly what I have been saying. VOTE NO ON ALL OF THESE PROPOSITIONS! It will be a HUGE defeat for the Gropenfuhrer!!!

By voting no, the whole ballot becomes irrelevant and thus so does the election if all of the propositions fail. Then the people in California can say "Look at all the money WASTED on a stupid election that no one wanted! Millions!" This will make the Gropenfuhrer look even WORSE!!!

More money wasted Ahnuld = forget about trying to run for "Governator" again. We the People don't want YOU PIG!

VOTE NO ON ALL CALIFORNIA PROPOSITIONS AND DEFEAT THE GROPENATOR!

:kick: :kick: :kick:
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:32 AM
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6. "You're terminated, fucker!"
Sorry, couldn't resist! ;)
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oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:37 AM
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8. Watch
This CA governor change his party affiliation quietly down the line!
This governors wife come out politically! (She and very rich family are predominantly Dem!)DON'T BE FOOLED!
We have had a good lesson, that money is only for more money and the ignorant taxpayer just keeps giving it to them!
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 12:51 PM
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22. Things might get interesting
When Maria puts on the pants in the household, and shit-cans all the old Wilsonians from the admin.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:37 AM
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9. "attempt to revive"? Nice spin. He's not trying revive the state.
He's trying to revive the ability of the powerful to get wealthy off the citizens of CA while the citizens get screwed.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:58 AM
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15. The article was slanted towards the groper
while appearing to be critical. It promotes the idea that he is just trying to help the state and has good intentions, but is misundetstood. Poor baby. No, the problem is we understand him too well.
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:39 AM
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10. A slow fast ball...
This is from the San Francisco Bay Guardian cover story:



http://www.sfbg.com/40/05/cover_party_down.html

Party down


The GOP is in free fall, and it's time to take the country back.
By Steven T. Jones and Tim Redmond

San Francisco Bay Guardian

BASEBALL METAPHORS CAN be taken way too far. Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald demonstrated that during the press conference he held on the criminal indictment of I. Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's top aide. In a long and drawn-out analogy involving a pitcher and a hit batter, Fitzgerald likened himself to an umpire who had "dust thrown in his eyes," claiming Libby's lies had made it hard for him to determine who should be indicted for the vengeful outing of Valerie Plame as a CIA agent.

So we hate to even mention that particular sport again. But prominent media critic Robert McChesney offered us a way of describing the prospects of the indictment that seems to capture this moment in history rather well. It addresses the question of whether the political system and mainstream media will seize on the information in Fitzgerald's 22-page indictment to finally hold the Bush administration responsible for the deliberate lies that got this country into the quagmire in Iraq.

"This is a slow fastball right over the heart of the plate," he said.

The first test will come in places like New Jersey and Virginia, where there are races for governor – and just as important, in California, where a Republican governor taking a page from the Cheney-Rove playbook is trying to seize executive power and cripple the opposition. If the governor's proposals go down, it will be a signal to the nation and the world that Americans are ready to take their country back.

VOTE TUESDAY NOVEMBER 8TH!


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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:46 AM
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11. Even the New York Times is laughing at Arnold


Why does everybody laugh at California?


    1. Our politics are Marxist - Groucho, Harpo, Chico, Gummo, and Zeppo -- but they were born in NY.

    2. We have given the country some great leaders :sarcasm:

      Ronald Reagan
      Richard Nixon
      Arnold Schwarzenegger


    3. We have given the country some entertaining leaders
      Willie Brown
      Jerry Brown


    4. But we can't claim credit for Sheldon Silver or Joe Bruno




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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:56 AM
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14. Don't forget his association w/Ken Lay/he forgave $9 Billion owed to state
F*ck ahnold, I will be voting NO NO NO NO

http://www.alternet.org/story/16902/
Arnold's Enron Secret
By Greg Palast, AlterNet. Posted October 5, 2003.
If Arnold wins, it's hasta la vista baby, to the $9 billion owed to the state of California by Enron and the other electricity barons.

It's not what Arnold Schwarzenegger did to the girls a decade back that should raise an eyebrow. According to a series of memoranda our office obtained today, it's his dalliance with the boys in a hotel room just two years ago that's the real scandal.

The wannabe governor has yet to deny that on May 17, 2001, at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles, he had consensual political intercourse with Enron chieftain Kenneth Lay. Also frolicking with Arnold and Ken was convicted stock swindler Mike Milken.

Now, 34 pages of internal Enron memoranda have just come through this reporter's fax machine that tell all about the tryst between Maria's husband and the corporate con men. It turns out that Schwarzenegger knowingly joined the hush-hush encounter as part of a campaign to sabotage a Davis-Bustamante plan to make Enron and other power pirates then ravaging California pay back the $9 billion in illicit profits they carried off.

Here's the story Arnold doesn't want you to hear. The biggest single threat to Ken Lay and the electricity lords is a private lawsuit filed last year under California's unique Civil Code provision 17200, the "Unfair Business Practices Act." This litigation, heading to trial now in Los Angeles, would make the power companies return the $9 billion they filched from California electricity and gas customers....

and the follow up story

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=286&row=0

Told'ya So
Yurica Report
Wednesday, October 15, 2003
I am deeply unhappy to report on the accuracy of our report on the success of Ken Lay's plan to have his governor, Mr. Schwarzenegger, sabotage state lawsuits against the electricity cartel.

The following is just in from journalist Katherine Yurica:

Arnold to Settle Lawsuits for Pennies on the Dollar

The Yurica Report has learned that only three days after Mr. Schwarzenegger won his victory in California, an aide announced that the governor-elect intends to settle pending energy fraud lawsuits. This apparently includes the suit filed by Cruz Bustamante under the California statute, Civil Code section 17200 ,of the Unfair Practices Act. The purpose of the act “is to safeguard the public against the creation or perpetuation of monopolies and to foster and encourage competition” the Act expressly prohibits, “unfair, dishonest, deceptive, destructive, fraudulent and discriminatory practices by which fair and honest competition is destroyed or prevented.”

According to news talk show host Bernie Ward of KGO radio, San Francisco, who reported the story Friday night on his radio show, (October 10th), Schwarzenegger's aid stated that the governor-elect's administration did not want to be saddled with someone else's lawsuits. The Unfair Practices Act, however, has provisions that require businesses who profit from unfair practices to pay the victims those profits. Although the Act does not authorize recovery of damages in a representative action, according to Hiliary N. Rowen, an attorney from the law firm of Thelen Reid & Priest, “the plaintiff—who need not have been harmed by the challenged conduct—may seek injunctive and restitutionary relief, including the disgorgement of profits on behalf of all those injured.” (See Hiliary Rowen's article) .This provision would make the power companies, who profited an estimated $9 billion from the California energy scam, the losers.

In the meantime, Claire Cooper of the Sacramento Bee reported Friday on another lawsuit in the Federal Court. She reported the judges from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals seemed skeptical of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission's (FERC) “ contention that it acted legally three years ago, when it relied on competition among energy wholesalers to determine the cost of California's power supply and did not require them to file the rates they would charge.” California sued FERC, claiming it is due a refund of $9 billion in gouged profits because the Federal Power Act didn't authorize FERC to approve a fluctuating marketbased rate structure. The question is, does the governor-elect intend to settle the federal suit also?

Mr. Schwarzenegger's announcement to settle the lawsuits comes on the heels of an article written on the eve of the election by investigative reporter Greg Palast. Palast, whose reports appear on BBC television’s Newsnight, said that the Los Angeles-based Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights uncovered Enron internal memos regarding Mr. Schwarzenegger's secret meeting in May 2001 with the disgraced CEO of Enron, Kenneth Lay. The intent of the power company, according to Palast, was to sabotage the Davis-Bustamante plan to win back the $9 billion dollars in illegal profits earned by power moguls. The plan has worked so far. Clearly, Mr. Schwarzenegger should be questioned about his actions.

http://www.yuricareport.com/
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 12:02 PM
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16. loveely to see the self-annointed go down.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 12:05 PM
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17. Have you seen his "humble" ad
where he goes all apologetic and admits he fucked up but tells us his heart's in the right place and he wants us to give him the tools he needs to rebuild Cullyfornia. :rofl:
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 12:08 PM
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18. 73 (parental notification) will pass with flying colors.
Edited on Sat Nov-05-05 12:28 PM by nickshepDEM
75 (union dues) may squeak by, though I really hope it fails.

Prop 74 (teacher tenure) could pass, but I really dont see it happening. All the rest should get demolished. That leaves him with two possible 'wins'.
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 12:28 PM
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20. I swear I saw a TV commercial last night with McCain (WTF?)...
...doing props for Assanators Props.


Republicans are just plain STUPID.....


Tikki
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 12:24 PM
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19. They're the RETHUGS' plans to revive California, not California's!
Arnold's main "assignments" were to unravel the Enron settlement and to do to CA what DeLay did to TX, for which he would be rewarded with something as big as a vice presidency.

:patriot:
rocknation
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 12:29 PM
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21. “People are tired of this movie,”
Linda Sutton, 58, a teacher from Wooland Hills, said. “It’s time he got off the stage.”

'Nuff said.

:headbang:
rocknation

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