I will write in Howard Dean before I vote for Kerry

[Lobo_13]

Why?

Because I can.

That is all.

[jpgray]

1. Okay (nt)

[kalashnikov]

2. I will write in Wesley Clark

[Lobo_13]

3. Right on, brother

Word is bond.

I'm damned tired of holding my nose when I vote, and I see no reason to vote for that sanctimonious piece of crap.

Mr. Kerry will have to win without my help, and I suspect without the help of a lot of people.

[NNN0LHI]

8. Karl Rove and Chimpy thank you both very much n/t

[okieinpain]

15. I'm not a big kerry fan because I think that once it's just bush

he will go back to being his regular self "boring". but if he's the nom he will get my vote, and I won't have to hold my nose.

[Badger1]

4. That will sure help

make sure that we spend four more years in hell. Then explain it to your kids and grand kids, who won't be able to take care of you. And I'm not even a Kerry supporter.

[JohnKleeb]

7. I agree with your premise

I remember when Dean was the frontrunner, and I had my issues and differences with him but I promised myself I would work for him despite disagreements. Just saddens me, well if Kerry or anyone gets it, I will be working my butt off to send that cowboy back to Crawford or New Haven :).

[Lobo_13]

13. Don't get me wrong

I'll work for Edwards, Clark, Sharpton, Leiberman.

Just not Kerry.

[JohnKleeb]

16. fine

Thats fine. Why dont you like Kerry?
I would advise you to vote for him if hes the one this year because this is gonna be close. I had my issues with Dean when he was the frontrunner but I was willing to compromise and work for him if it got to that. Anyways, I hope you change your mind, "Send Bush home in 2004" I wont pressure you to vote a certain why but Kerry really isnt so bad IMO.

[ModerateMiddle]

38. I honestly don't think it will be close in November

Kerry is gaining support from such a broad swath of our country, from all of the various demographic groups, it's historic.

John Kerry is the man who as President is going to heal this country from its partisan rift, and we will all be Americans, and better for it.

There are going to be people who will say these kinds of things (I will vote for Bush, I'll stay home, I'll write in XYZ) out of hurt and anger, and some of them will likely follow through.

There are plenty more independents and even Republicans fed up with the Bush administration, and Kerry WILL be the next President.

With or without these people.

[JohnKleeb]

53. every vote matters

[Lobo_13]

10. Guess what

Bush doesn't scare me THAT much. It's a load of crap. We've been around for over 200 years in spite of people like W.

I take my stand here. I refuse to be scared into voting for someone I find just as malodorous as the chimp.

The line is drawn here.

[Frances]

17. You sound just like the people who voted for Nader

(some were my friends). There is a HUGE difference between Bush and Kerry. I will vote for ABB.

[JohnKleeb]

18. Have you ever thought that chimp is entertaining a draft possiblity

Yeah, so people like me and my classmates getting drafted doesnt matter to you. :eyes:

[Lobo_13]

22. Then maybe you should listen closely to your boy.

When asked whether he supports a draft, he says, "Not at this time."

But . . .

He wants to field two more divisions in Iraq as quickly as possible.

Where we gonna get 20,000 troops in a hurry? Think about it.

[JohnKleeb]

27. bring my candiate in to this eh

This aint about him. The only candiate who would bring the troops home would be Kucinich or Sharpton, yet people wont support them because tehy are unelectable. Bush will start more and more wars around the globe if hes reelected you know that, I know that, and everyone knows that. I disagree with him on that point. Also I support Kucinich as an equal candiate with Kerry, so what do you say to that, or is he too unelectable. We need Bush out, not just for what goes on overseas but what goes on at home too, if you really think theres no difference between Kerry and Bush, I cant help you.

[Lobo_13]

36. And you avoided what I said

You got mad skillz, man.

Kerry wants two extra divisions in Iraq as quickly as possible.

When asked at about whether he supports a draft, he says, "Not at this time."

You have to pay attention to what he says. Especially with that one. He has a habit of talking around a question rather than answer it.

For example, "I've never taken money from a Washington PAC."

But he received more than 12 mil from other types of special interests.

You have to be very careful about listening to what that opportunistic prick says.

[youngred]

40. Pretty mad skillz yerself

"opportunistic prick"?

You're putting together innocuous statements. Do you really think John Kerry, Vietnam Vetran would be any kind of proponent of the draft?

Every politician (short of Kucinich) takes insane amounts of cash from interests, they HAVE TO, lets see you last as long as Kerry has in the Senate without taking lots of money.

You're chasing at smoke ghosts man.

[Lobo_13]

48. The short answer

yes, he would.

What is with this military fetish?

[youngred]

51. deliberately ignoring the points?

short answer: no he wouldn't

You really think a wounded combat vetran who saw friends and comrades dying would want to put other people into that against their will? That's crazy

[youngred]

30. there are divisions moving out of afghanistan now

and bringing troops back, and I think he assumes that with a more multi-lateral approach (like say kucinich's) involving the UN would ease the strain on US troops.

Or maybe he favours bringing some back now.

and maybe he wouldn't dare institute a draft and your just being scared by phantoms

[XanaDUer]

50. Reality check...

Kerry does not support a the draft.

Getting two more divisions into Iraq asap by Kerry's methods is not the same as supporting reinstatement of the draft. Kerry wants to get them onto the ground through the UN and its member nations.

Big difference.

[George_Bonanza]

59. Kerry wants to get other countries involved

That's where the 20 000 troops will come from. Kerry has repeatedly said how much the U.S. has to bear the burden of Iraq, and how it should be spread out amongst other nations.

[WilliamPitt]

20. There has never been anyone like Bush in 200+ years of American government

Cheney is unique. Rove is unique. Rumsfeld is unique. Perle is unique. Wolfowitz is unique. The consolidation of maniacs like this into one administration is unique. The consolidation of power, information and money is unique.

This has been the Clue Phone. Thanks for taking the call.

P.S. This is not an endorsement of Kerry. This is a repudiation of the harebrained idea that voting for a Democrat in 2004 is a bad thing, and a repudiation of the idea that Bush & Co. are somehow not dangerous.

[WilliamPitt]

5. I will give a crap

when crap sticks to the moon.

That is all.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

6. I will write in Carrot Head

Because I can!

That is all.

[no name no slogan]

34. And if I were double-jointed, ....

I'd lick myself-- BECAUSE I CAN! :silly:

[Bhaisahab]

9. don't lose focus man

the object of the elections this time is to remove bush. you americans do not have the luxury of choosing his replacement. just REPLACE that psycho!
then take it from there...

[HawkerHurricane]

11. I shall go to bed

and stay there until someone I approve of is nominated.

It shall be just as effective in changing things as your actions, but I shall not have to go outdoors in the cold.

[Hoppin_Mad]

12. I will vote for the Democratic nominee (except LaRouche) -nt-

[QC]

14. I will write in my Aunt Ethel.

Because I can.

[Uzybone]

19. I will write in Satan

why

because I can

Bush you dont scare me.....you aint the boss of me!

[mitchum]

21. I can catch my snot on my tongue...

but I don't feel a need to proudly proclaim it.
Knock yourself out
ABB

[rumguy]

23. even after his "I'm gonna have to blow this kid" crack?

My god, what did he mean by that? Talk about a tin ear!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

24. Bye.

:hi:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

25. Why not just write in Bush and cut out the middle man

All this vote counting is expensive and complicated.

[Badger1]

26. 13 must be

the age of the poster. I'm a bit older and remember what Kerry did to help us stop the war in Viet Nam. When it was not only unpopular but dangerous to lead VN Vets Against The War. Why don't you do some homework and check out his battles against Nixon and the police when they camped out in Washington and refused to be removed from the mall. Don't lose focus and do some homework.

[JohnKleeb]

28. Hey now I am 16

[mitchum]

29. But you are a remarkable 16 year old, John

[Lobo_13]

39. What has he done for me lately?

I'm not a military fetishist. I am not nearly as concerned with what Mr. Kerry did 30 years ago (btw, all accounts paint him as a self-aggrandizing opportunist back then as well.) I'm concerned with what he's done in the past three years and how it's shown him to be the opportunistic coward (yeah, I said coward) that he really is.

[XanaDUer]

58. "Kucinich

acknowledged that Kerry opposes the draft, but said ``I am the only person running for president who has challenged the president going in (to Iraq), challenged the president on staying in and offered a plan to get our troops out.''

Kerry has said he would expand the Army to raise two new divisions. He has not said he would send them to Iraq."

Kerry believes that America needs trained troops, not kids pulled out of school, given two weeks' training, and expected to compete or remain safe in complex modern warfare.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3664345,00.html


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Since you think Dean is so anti-war, he supported Biden-Lugar, and is full of manure putting himself forward as an anti-war candidate:

"I have been concerned about his foreign policy stance. He's distinguished himself as the most anti-war candidate extant. But let's see how he says he would do it:

"As I've said about eight times today," he says, annoyed -- that Saddam must be disarmed, but with a multilateral force under the auspices of the United Nations. If the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice."

http://www.howardsmusings.com/2003/02/20/salon_on_the_campaign_trail_with_the_unbush.html

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So write in DK if Kerry bugs you too much, but forget Dean. The guy flip flops all over.

[murielm99]

44. Thanks, Badger1

I am old enough to remember it, too. I am not necessarily a Kerry supporter, but I would like to remind everyone here that NO candidate is ideal. No candidate stands up to the kind of micro-scrutiny that I have seen here.

Kerry has two decades worth of experience. We need someone like that to stand up to shrub and rove. As I said, I am not a Kerry supporter, but I will get behind him if he wins the nomination, with no quibbles or qualifiers.

I would submit, respectfully, and without naming names, that some of the stuff I am reading here seems childish, or like sour grapes. I have been politically active since the early sixties. My father was a union officer, and a grassroots Democrat. I have kind of taken his place here, in my county. I have knocked on doors since I was about twelve. In all that time, I have seen NO ideal candidate.

The best example I can think of is Hubert Humphrey. He was a good liberal, and was instrumental in passing early civil rights legislation. I think of him as kind of a precursor to Wellstone. Check his record if you don't believe me. But just look at how Lyndon Johnson stole his balls over Vietnam! I still would have voted for him as president, over Nixon, had I been old enough to vote in that election.

Cut Kerry a little slack. He is not the nominee YET. Remember -- four more years of shrub could mean that they wipe their asses with the entire Bill of Rights -- not just selected portions of it. Four more years will mean many more conservative justices and a one party system. It will mean continued deficits, and possibly a world wide depression that would dwarf the one my parents saw in the thirties.

Kerry looks pretty good, compared to all that.

The other thing I wonder about -- everyone has always talked about all the support Dean is getting from youth. My daughter, who is twenty, is working for Kerry. Through her, I have met a wide network of college kids who are working for Kerry. She and her friends have articulate arguments in support of Kerry. They are bright, and idealistic. There must be something there.

Continue to work hard for your candidates. But please, please stand behind the nominee, whoever he or she may be.

[DemBones DemBones]

31. Certainly is a change from all the "If Dean is the candidate, will you

vote for him?" threads, anyway. :shrug:

[Edge]

32. I can't stand Kerry and I really hated that he sided with Bush...

on many issues. But I'll still vote for him (reluctantly) come November. I don't want to see Bush and Co. back to ruin this country for another four years.

[JohnKleeb]

37. thanks and you know I dont like the war vote either

I have stuff I dont like about all them except Dennis heh with wars and such.

[Edge]

45. Dennis Kucinich is my #1 man....tied with Edwards.

He's the only one who never sided with Bush on any issue. Not only that, he has the best issues. Too bad he won't be president, though. :cry:

Too bad electability is more important than the issues.

[JohnKleeb]

47. Of course Edge

screw electablity. I still live by that motto. If we want to prevent future Iraq's I personally think Kucinich would be best, I admit I am sorta a pacifist, Kucinich has opposed the same enagements as me.

[Edge]

54. Good man you are, JohnKleeb.

:thumbsup:

[ModerateMiddle]

33. Good for you.

You have that right. I'm sure you're not alone.

I hope you're happy with your decision.

[lucidmadman]

35. I will write in Tom 'Billy Jack' McLaughlin...

...or perhaps Zorro.

I'm just thwo angwy...

[gauguin57]

41. ok, fine ...

and when George W. Bush gets re-elected, then YOU can pay for my move to Canada or New Zealand.

"We're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils holding our noses while voting blah blah BLAH BLAAAAH!"

We can't afford to complain about that this year! Don't you get it? This is THE MOST IMPORTANT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION EVER ... cuz our country is KAPUT if the Bush Crime Family gets four more years. Kiss ALLLL your civil rights good-bye. Kiss the whole idea of America good-bye. If you're not a rich, white friend of Bush, you will no longer exisit in this society.

Listen, pals: You're going to vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is (even if you have to hold your nose) and you're going to LIKE it. Or get down here with your brother-in-law's truck and help me pack to get out of what will be this broken shell of a former bright, shining country!!!

Every. Vote. Counts.
Anybody. But. Bush.

[lucidmadman]

56. I want 'all good and great things'...

...for this country and everyone in the world. We can't get there directly from here. There's gonna be a few stopovers. To me, JK is one of those. HD is not. I've looked. I've decided. I don't understand why some people think that HD's Sh*t don't stink and that JK's does. I WANT a Washington insider this time. Someone who knows where the 'bodies are buried'. Who has some allies. Enemies too. But enemies he's faced before and whose moves he knows. Listen, my friend, it stinks. IT STINKS! My 'politics' are closer to DKs than to any of the others. But, we have to get GWB and the Sharon/Oil lobby out of the WH. I think, and I may wrong, that JK is the best candidate to accomplish that. Evidently, some other people agree. Tough titty, man. That's the way it goes with elections. It's not the 'media' or the DNC, it's the voters. More people in the IA caucus and the NH primary voted for Kerry. What can I say?

[Renew Deal]

42. I will write myself in.

I am ideologically pure. And I agree with myself on every issue.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

46. OK. Ten points for that one. :-) n/t

[rockymountaindem]

43. Voting for anyone besides the nominee is crazy.

This is not a time for taking a principled stand. This is a time for saving America from 4 more years of the worst decision-making team in recent memory. Not only is America counting on us to defeat Bush, the whole world needs us to beat him. If you care about the Democratic party, the USA or your fellow humans you will vote ABB. If you do not you are a hypocrite.

[demgrrrll]

49. I am going to hold my breath until I turn blue because I didn't get what

I want. Because I can. Yea, that makes sense.

[Doomsayer13]

52. Kerry > Bush - The Equation is simple

I'll vote for John Kerry over Bush any day, any time, any minute of the week.

[Norquist Nemesis]

55. Even though Kerry's a Skull & Bones brother

just like Bush, and even though he flip flops on things, and even though Rove is going to take him through the shredder on everything, I'll still vote for him if he is the nominee.

[PretzelWarrior]

57. and thank you. mark down more people I will recruit to vote Kerry

nah nah. I just obstructed your goal. I wouldn't have gone after those extra two voters, but since you said that...I will make sure two extra peole show up in Nov. to vote for the Dem nominee whoever he may be. Thanks.

[gauguin57]

60. grow up, my peeps!

Get yer heads outta the sand. I was young once upon a time; I know what it's like to believe that your candidate is da man -- charismatic and idealistically pure -- and then realize he's behind in the vote totals. You want to vote for your guy, and you feel that if everyone else isn't going to support that person, then to hell with the rest of the world. Etc. Etc. I cried for hours when Morris Udall lost the nomination to Jimmy Carter and felt I didn't even want to vote that year. But I got the hell over it and got my ass into the voting booth and helped return a Democrat to the White House!

George W. and his henchmen are too dangerous for words. While Kerry's my top choice, I haven't been overly enthusiastic about ANY of these people this year (for Christ's sake; I thought that in the year 2004, a woman with a decent chance of winning would certainly be running!!). But I would vote for a sheepdog if it were the Democratic nominee against Bush!!!

And as for Kerry being opportunistic: For Gawd's sake. Has there EVER been a candidate for president who isn't opportunistic? You have to have the drive and ambition and the willingness to run roughshod over the world to get yourself into the White House. That's the way it goes. That's politics.

The days of Mister Smith Goes to Washington are over. They're ALL opportunistic. Every last one of these dudes.

[Gore1FL]

61. Yep -- because I can is always a useful tool for gauging action

Kind of like when Bush used it to go to Iraq.

[joshcryer]

62. "Kind of like"? Can you point out one similiarity?

Bush wasn't using his right to vote, when he went to Iraq, was he?