Clark on Schultz NOW!!!! (step toward Civil War....)

[Gloria]

www.wegoted.com

Essential to have a balance of opinion (re Armed Forces radio)

[Gloria]

1. Schultz asked him about the recent vote...what it meant...for a second,

as Clark sighed, I thought he was going to say it was step toward a working government...

BUT...he said it was a step toward CIVIL WAR. Talked about the Sunnis, etc.
Schultz mentioned the vote and Clark said, "You don't think we didn't have a vote before our Civil War?" "People vote and then they fight if the vote doesn't go the way they want....."

Said we could draw down troops in 2006, but you shouldn't have a timeline that isn't tied to events that are happening...

Military is "scraping" by....

Indictment/apparently a "ring" inside the WH---

Clark says it's one step along the way for the American people to find out what happened, why we went to war, how the intelligence was handled...

Said he wanted this crew thrown out, that's why he ran last time. It was an uncessary war. Maybe people will understand now.

Is he running? Said that he's out supporting people, Dems have to be a full service party, etc.

Democratic image in the military--many aren't the best informed, things like Viet Nam cast a long shadow, that's why Schultz's show needs to be on the radio...

"General Wesley Clark, one of our favorites" on the show.....

[Donna Zen]

2. Hot Damn!

Wes Clark makes sense again. We must create the conditions to get the troops out.

[Crunchy Frog]

3. Just listened to it. Yeah, he doesn't sound too optimistic does he?

As usual, you do a vastly better job of summarizing this sort of thing than I could ever hope to. Thanks.

[Dinger]

8. Whee!!! Go Clark Go!

2008 is just too long to wait!:popcorn:

[TheGunslinger]

21. Thanks for the play-by-play!

[Toots]

22. you shouldn't have a timeline that isn't tied to events that are happening

Hammer meet nail. It is called an "Exit Strategy"

[Texas_Kat]

4. He was terrific!

I'm watching securingamerica.com for a transcript!

[liberalnurse]

18. Ha Ha Ha ....I was there! I got pictures.

It was fantastic. After the show, we all had brats and beer!

:applause:

[Ice4Clark]

5. Here's the audio of Wes on Big Ed's show

Wes and Ed

[Skwmom]

6. Thanks for the link. Great interview! n/t

[Clarkie1]

7. Clark: "War based on hyped-up intelligence and even CONSPIRACY"

Is anyone aware of any other leading Democratic figure using the word "conspiracy" in regards to the current administration's policies?

This is not a rhetorical question, I honestly want to know.

[Tom Rinaldo]

9. He has a hard time not telling the truth

It exposes Clark to attacks sometimes. I know PNAC attempted to make him look ridiculous the first time he started calling public attention to them.

Clark was also the first leading Democrat to blast Bush for a failure of leadership in the immediate aftermath of Katrina. Of course no one could really fault Clark on that one.

Clark is also the first person I heard directly linking Iraq elections with an increased likelihood of civil war. His line about the American election of 1860 was chilling.

[CarolNYC]

10. And Wes

was also the first person I heard suggesting that Bush be held accountable for the fact that 9/11 happened on his watch. He said that shortly after he announced he was running, in an address that was scheduled well before he was a candidate. I remember thinking, wow, he's gonna take some flak for that statement...and of course he did...and of course he was right.

It is the fate of those who dare to tell the truth to be attacked, I suppose.

As Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power said, in speaking of Clark, "The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing." By that definition, I think Clark has the mark. :)

[Tom Rinaldo]

11. Oh yeah, that one too. Some Dems acted like he yelled "Ghost"!

At the time the conventional wisdom was "you can't attack Bush over not preventing 9/11", that's too radica.

[Texas_Kat]

24. From Charlie Cook via John Marshall at TPM 9/23/03

(September 23, 2003 -- 01:25 PM EDT)

The backdrop to the Clark-bashing from the White House and its helpers. This from Charlie Cook's weekly newsletter "Off To The Races" ...

For the White House, it is particularly important that Clark's credibility be impeached as soon as possible. President Bush now has a 40 percent disapproval rating on "handling foreign policy and terrorism." That is without a Democrat with any credibility in national security having thrown a punch. A credible Clark could inflict some very serious damage on this president, particularly after Bush's admission last week that there was no direct connection between the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and Saddam Hussein. That was news to 69 percent of Americans, who told Washington Post pollsters in August they thought a connection was likely. The Bush campaign cannot afford to have a credible Clark throwing fastballs at them for the next 15 months, whether he is the nominee, running mate or sitting on the sidelines.

[EuroObserver]

19. I'd probably vote for this man

... if I had a vote.

[Jai4WKC08]

12. "[Iraq Constitution] takes us one step further toward civil war..."

Ed Schultz: General, what's your take right now on what has unfolded in Iraq with the Constitutional vote. What does it mean, if anything?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think it, it takes us one step further toward civil war, unless the administration really gets on the ball in a way they haven't in the past. What needs to be done is the Iraqis, the Sunnis need to be helped right now by the Shia's and the Kurds immediately to be able to put together the kinds of changes in that constitution, put them forth, promise the Sunnis those changes are going to be adopted. So that there's that you can bring the Sunnis in out of the cold. You know, there was an overwhelming Sunni rejection of that constitution. Some people want to say to me, "It's a good thing the Sunnis voted," but I don't think it is.

Ed Schultz: General, you think that sets the table for a potential civil war?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think that, you know, if you remember in this country, before we had a civil war a lot of people voted in 1860. It wasn't like there was no election before we had a civil war in this country.

Ed Schultz: Hmm.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: People do vote and then they fight. And if they don't get what they want at the ballot box and sometimes if the issues are severe enough, they might fight. So, I think the administration needs to look at it as we're at another critical juncture in Iraq.

Full transcript at http://securingamerica.com/node/296

Write a letter to help get Ed Schultz on Armed Forces Radio at http://ga4.org/campaign/edschultz

[atomic-fly]

14. kick!

[democrank]

13. Wesley Clark...

a Democrat we can be really proud of.

[Spiffarino]

32. No kidding.

His star continues to rise. Even if he doesn't get the nomination he needs to remain a power player in the Democratic Party. I'd like to see him run for Congress or the Senate at some point if he doesn't get the nod in '08. He needs to build up a political resume' IMHO.

[Tom Rinaldo]

33. He needs to serve his country. It's in his blood. However...

There is no longer time or reason for Wes Clark to "build up his resume". At 60 now he is still young enough to run for President in three years, but not to start working himself up a new career ladder through stepping stone elections. Nor does he need to. Clark is more qualified to be President by far than almost anyone now in Congress.

But I am not trying to be snide. Wes should and will stay involved in politics no matter what happens in 2008. Perhaps he might someday serve in the Senate, if he isn't in the White House in 2009, could be. Or he could just as well remain a leading spokesperson for the Democratic party on a range of issues. Writing, organizing, instructing, and speaking out.

Clark does need to increase his contacts within the Democratic party, to expand his degree of influence within it, but he is already doing just that by doing what he can to help Democrats win more elections across the nation.

[lebkuchen]

15. Thanks to all those who have contributed to this effort.

[BootinUp]

16. Please add your voice

This is an important issue for all liberals.

[CarolNYC]

17. For everyone who believes in democracy really

From the Schultz interview:

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think it's essential that we have a balance of opinion. I think the troops have to hear both sides of the argument. I think they have to hear people debate it back and forth. That's the American way. We have two sides. We have discussion and then people make up their own mind, but when you only get one side of the issues, you can't expect that to be a real democracy and you can't expect people to be well informed. And of course, there are some people who don't want the troops to be well informed.

[BootinUp]

20. thats true, :-)

shameless kick.

[Tom Rinaldo]

23. "there are some people who don't want the troops to be well informed"

Clark's throw away lines often contain more substance than an average politician's entire speech. The longer one thinks about that the more ominous it sounds. And it is all true.

[Adelante]

25. Hi, Tom

:kick:

[Beam Me Up]

26. Same folks don't want the American people to be well informed, either.

n/t

[Donna Zen]

30. My favorite line too

When Clark zings them with those pure truth messages, it leaves me chortling for days. Today raking the leaves and pondering, that one made me smile all over again.

[Spiffarino]

27. For all the Ed-bashers here

Leave Ed alone, please. We need voices like his to speak to the regular working-class folks like me and, I suspect, most DUers.

Labor must be the backbone of the Progressive Movement. Ignore working people and the Dems will remain the muted opposition party.

[Jai4WKC08]

28. Did anyone here bash Big Eddie?

I sure don't see it.

Ed Schultz is great. He's exactly the voice we need here in the Heartland (KS), and I think he does a great service in the blue states as well.

[LandOLincoln]

29. No one on this particular thread has bashed Big Ed...yet.

Or Wes either...yet. Let's hope it stays that way, and that the usual suspects are off flaming Fitz for being a closet Republican, or whatever cockamamie theory they're entertaining today. :-)

[Spiffarino]

31. Not in this thread

...but there have been a few over the past few months. I thought lurking Ed-haters in this one might take heed. Glad to see there weren't any bites. Maybe he's gaining acceptance among the more doctrinaire, or maybe they've figured out that we'll never win by being divided.

Either way, I feel better.