Who would a McCain/Guiliani ticket for '08 be a bigger headache for..

[Rosco T.]

... us or the FarReich NeoCons?

[snowbear]

1. I agree with the others on here who say...

The NeoCons wouldn't tolerate Rudy.. I dunno about McCain.. But the dude is older than dirt and I think the studly Democratic team of Clark and Warner will blow him off the map.. :rofl:

[charlyvi]

2. The christofascists hate McCain.

He said Robertson and Falwell are batshit crazy....or something like that.

From his 2000 primary season speech:

... recognize and celebrate that our country is founded upon Judeo-Christian values. And I have pledged my life to defend America and all her values, the values that have made us the noblest experiment in history.

But political intolerance by any political party is neither a Judeo-Christian nor an American value. The political tactics of division and slander are not our values.

They are corrupting influences on religion and politics and those who practice them in the name of religion or in the name of the Republican Party or in the name of America shame our faith, our party and our country.

Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right.
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=489542

So, this ticket may be a dream one in the "Old" Republican party, but it will NEVER fly now.

[billbuckhead]

3. The NRA hates McCain as well

Makes me want McCain over NRA appeaser Feingold.

<http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/5/18/170346.shtml>

[Blue Topaz]

4. I'm assuming you mean

a McCain/Guiliani ticket that actually received the GOP nomination. I think that would be a bigger problem for us. Somehow, McCain has managed to cultivate a moderate image, despite his lifetime rating of 85 from the American Conservative Union. This is only a few points lower than Frist's. Neocons and Christofascists would either stay home or hold their noses and vote for this ticket, but plenty of moderates and garden variety Repugs would happily vote them in. I know more than a few Dems who luvvv McCain as well.

[Mz Pip]

5. I don't see either one of them

even making it though the primaries. IT's the base that votes in the primaries and those folks won't be trotting off to the polls to vote for either one of them

Mz Pip
:dem:

[BlueStater]

6. Do the people who take these polls even know anything about Giuliani?

Are they aware of how much of a shitbag he was as mayor and how much the people hated him?

The very idea that this creep is even considered presidential material makes me puke.

[Donna Zen]

7. They need Hillary on the Dem. ticket

If the republicans run a more moderate candidate, they risk their base sitting it out. And yet, a far-right republican would mean that a number of the more moderate republicans and independent-republican leaners, would cross party lines.

They have a problem, and the Democrats have their solution: Hillary. No fundy would stay home, even with McCain on the ticket, if Hillary headed up the other side. As for any republican or leaner who might be tempted to cross over, Hillary will keep them in line. She is their ace in the hole. They can anybody against her.

Don't misunderstand me: I think Hillary is "inevitable." The roll-out of her campaign as the party machinery goes into motion is going to breath taking. Of course, she will lose, that is also "inevitable."

[sandrakae]

8. The whole fucking country.

McCain is a hypocrit and he will be to fucking old.

[NAO]

9. The Radical Clerics of the Religious Reich have issued Fatwas on McCain &

Guiliani.

Both McCain and Guiliani are against burning homosexuals at the stake, which God's Word, the Holy Bible, clearly commands us to do. (It actually commands them to be stoned, but that was the OLD Testament; after eternal hell was introduced in the New Testament, burning people became the preferred enforcement method of the "people of faith").

McCain is especially hated by the Religious Reich for his "betrayal" in the filibuster compromise and his endorsement of "junk-science" (aka global warming), which borders on the evolution heresy and smacks of environmental tree-hugging hippie crap.

[mucifer]

10. hate to say this but,

Im a liberal dem and the two we have in the white house are so bat sh-t crazy that I'd feel a tad more comfortable with mccain and guilliani. I know they have lots of problems and by far would be worse than most dems (except lieberman). But, maybe they would destroy the environment a little less and I also think they'd be a bit less likely to start a nuclear war. However the working class would still be outta luck. Oy vey now I should probably take back everything I just said. It's all bad. How about Seymour Hirsch? I vote for him!

[Rhiannon12866]

13. I agree that we probably couldn't do worse.

I used to support McCain because of his severe criticism of Bush*, but he has inexplicably backed down.:shrug:

Guiliani's convention speech at the convention was just pure hate mongering.:grr:

As for Sy Hersh, he's just the best, would get my vote, any day!:patriot:

Welcome to DU, mucifer! It's great to have you with us!:toast:

Rhiannon:hi:

[Catchawave]

11. I don't think that will be the ticket cuz....

McCain's already been successfully swiftboated with attacks on his family, and he let it go :( Also, don't think Guiliani will go over with the moral majority.

[DesertRat]

12. McCain is a sell out

:puke:

[Catchawave]

16. Euwwwww, that photo

really sums it up :mad:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

14. The whole fucking world because it's ridiculous enough to work.n/t

[Armstead]

15. Us

They would be portrayed as "moderates" by the media and spinmeisters because of their forays into reasonableness on specific issues.

But in reality both would simply be a different pair of faces on the same old corporatist bullshit.

[Donna Zen]

17. Exactly

...and with the Christian radical clerics have absolute control over the voting rights of their flocks, they will herd them in any damn direction they please. But, I still make the case that to get that flock stampeding to the ballot box, they are pushing Hillary to be on the top of the Dem. ticket.

[neoteric lefty]

18. The far-Right Republican base would stay home...

Repubs have had the taste of blood.... err... power on their tongues for the past 5 years. They are the likes who will stay home, or vote Libertarian as a protest vote because the Republicans nominated a "not as far right as we would have liked" nominee. Clinton's penis is not around to bring out the base for Republicans this time around.