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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 09:19 PM
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Freepers and a Psychological Study of Liberals and Conservatives...
sorry if this is a dupe.... but I came across this POS and just had to share.

First off I just have to get one thing out of the way...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1484785/posts

if you just can't bring yourself to go over to the dark side - here's a sample...

Scope: To study the behavioral patterns of self-proclaimed liberals and conservatives over a long period time in a cyber environment, particularly a political discussion board. Some things to consider:

A) Do they conform to standard definitions of liberals and conservatives B) Does their behavior change over time? C) How does the outside world influence them? D) Does no moderation work better than moderation?

Our study group consisted of 5 psychology majors and one advisor. We had 2 students who graded themselves as politically “liberal”, 2 as “conservatives”, and 1 as “moderate"

SNIP

Conclusions:

1) Long time "liberal" posters became less tolerant, more-hateful, less understanding and less willing to converse civilly with the "other" side as time went on.


emphasis my own

:wtf:
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 09:26 PM
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1. I hope they didn't pay the people who conducted
this ...ahem...."study." Freepers, have ya ever heard of projection?

"1) Long time "liberal" posters became less tolerant, more-hateful, less understanding and less willing to converse civilly with the "other" side as time went on."
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 09:35 PM
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2. study reveals: we're better than they are
I knew it all along, and now it's been proven by SCIENCE!
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marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 09:58 PM
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3. Another doozy
"In general; conservative posters showed respect for their liberal counterparts, rarely digressing into name-calling, physical threats, etc. They showed more understanding of liberal and their viewpoints, and though they may not have shown them much love, they surely didn't exhibit the "liberal" hatred shown them, except on occasion."

WTF? Sound like this "researcher" is to psychology as Jeff Gannon is to journalism. When in doubt make shit up.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 10:40 PM
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4. Some points


22.1 THE DRIVE FOR POWER
 An assumed drive for power has been a favorite among realist students of international relations, politics, and society, as well as among philosophers of the human condition such as Nietzsche. Power is clearly a meaningful and intuitively experienced motivation, which plays a large role in the world's literature and in our everyday experience and behavior. However, a drive for power has not been mentioned at all in my discussion of motivation, and the question is therefore quite pointed: What about power?

An immediate problem in relating power to motivation is the ambiguity of the concept. What is power? The most popular meaning of power in the social sciences is of coercion: the ability to use threat of deprivations to get someone to do what they would otherwise not do. However, this is a narrow meaning, which does not take into account the power of love, persuasion, rewards, legitimacy (authority), or control over a situation or opportunities (manipulative power). Moreover, there is pure physical power, the ability to use physical force against another or nature.

These kinds of power, however, are all intentional; they are directed at another or nature in order to achieve some goal or as an end in themselves. Power, however, also can be unintentionally manifested, as with the unconscious effect of a beautiful girl at a party. It can be the expression of being, the active becoming of one's unique character, the assertion of life and identity. It is in this sense that I have considered power as an aspect of reality, as an active manifesting of dispositions.


http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DPF.CHAP22.HTM

And conservatives failing the atttractive power ...Opt for the AUTHORITARIAN kind. They are morallly inferior bullies.They are dangers to civil society and do not care.
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 11:32 PM
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5. This is not a "study".
Edited on Fri Sep-16-05 11:35 PM by distantearlywarning
It's personal observation - at best you could characterize it as qualitative research.

Real psychological studies randomly assign participants (when possible), use control groups, and make every effort to reduce experimenter bias, including making the experimenter blind to the purpose of the study when the topic is controversial or observations could be affected by prior experimenter expectations. Having two liberals, two conservatives, and a moderate on your panel would certainly not constitute adequate "non-bias" in a study like this one. It also concerns me that the "researchers" participated in the experiment themselves (posting on the board, etc...) rather than just observing interaction.

Here's what a real study of this type would look like:

1. Adequate theoretical justification for choosing a particular message board to study (example: equal amounts of liberals and conservatives posting)

2. Clearly stated hypotheses PRIOR to beginning the study, supported again with theoretical justification (i.e., "We predict that conservatives will be nicer than liberals because of work by Buchanan, Bush, & Reagan, 1999, showing that....).

3. Observations made over a clearly defined period of time, taking into account external political and social circumstances taking place during the study period. Transcripts/video/screenshots should be collected of discussions (not just relying on the memory or thoughts of observers). How researchers are identifying liberals or conservatives should be clearly defined prior to data collection (i.e., are you asking them how they define themselves? Relying on the opinions they state? Observing how others seem to define them?)

4. After observations are collected, they should be analyzed using a defined coding scheme, by multiple raters who are blind to the purpose of the study. Ratings should be statistically assessed for reliability between raters.

5. Following coding, data should be assessed using appropriate statistical methods (unless you are using qualitative methods, which also require special techniques). Conclusions about hypotheses should be based on statistically significant differences between groups, not on overall impressions of raters or researchers (who may be biased).

And finally, even after all this, you still have only a correlational study and can't reasonably draw conclusions about causality.It would be difficult to conduct a study in which you could state causality because you can't randomly assign participants to conservative or liberal viewpoints. However, you could possibly assign conservative and liberal participants to different types of online groups and measure types of interaction given some other variable (such as the presence of moderators or whatever).

In summation: these people are idiots and their study isn't research.
Not that this matters any, because nobody at Free Republic will know anything about social research methods or care since the "study" supported what they already believe.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 11:39 PM
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6. There they go again, defining us. yawn.
Who cares about some pseudo study where N is < 30, and the sample is skewed, and the questions are biased?

Some one should do a study as to why they are so obsessed with us, my guess: they are closet liberals wanting to get out of their narrow, selfish mindset that confines their world to lock stepped stale ideas from the 1970's and in reality socially engineering them.

Look at their outcomes: Bigger... more government, a HUGE deficit, and nation building. They are ashamed of themselves.
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 08:17 AM
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7. I think they are actually right
I mean, yes the study has terrible structure cited by many here and is has many internal and external validity issues. However, when I am talking with conservatives on a message board I get very angry, less tolerant, mean, etc because they are completely stupid and have no game when it comes to debating.

It is very frustrating to continually refute their talking points with fact when they are unable to concede anything. They are the most vile and evil creatures on the planet. I am getting pissed just writing this. I mean they are driving me fucking insane. I hate them, I hate them!!!!

Whew, that feels better.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 08:41 AM
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8. The Pathology of Clinton Bashing
NOTE: I wrote this for DU in early 2002.

What is it about the Bill Clinton?

Following eight years of relative peace and prosperity, conservatives now blame the former President for everything short of the Lindbergh kidnapping. Presidential spokesman Ari Fleischer last week announced that the recent violence in Israel and the West Bank was caused, not by the Bush Administration's disengagement, but by Bill Clinton's attempt to broker a peace deal between the two sides. On a daily basis, somewhere in America, there is a newspaper or magazine editorial that bashes Bill Clinton for one perceived shortcoming or another. One recent editorial claimed that if Clinton hadn't been fooling around with Monica Lewinsky, all those FBI agents investigating the infamous blue dress would have been free to flush out terrorists. This assumes that the President specifically requested a four-year probe into his personal life.

And when Clinton's dog was hit by a car in December, it was yet more evidence of the former President's immoral character. While all previous Presidents had their critics, it is nothing like that venom directed at Bill Clinton between 1992 and 2000, and which is still freely flowing today. Why do conservatives loathe him in ways that they never hated Jimmy Carter or John F. Kennedy or Harry Truman? The reason, I think, is that their hated of Bill Clinton has its roots in psychology and not politics.

Conservatives today are furious over what they see as a series of stinging political and cultural defeats, but their problem is that the one man they should be blaming is also the one man they could never possibly blame. I am referring, of course, to Ronald Reagan.

Far-fetched? Hardly. In the twentieth century, conservative political identity has been linked to small government, fiscal responsibility, and opposition to communism. Conservatives view themselves as the pious champions of small-town values like a reverence for religion and for the law. And Ronald Reagan was their president.

The problem was that by the time the 1980's were over, the Reagan Administration had made a mockery of their core beliefs. Despite his rhetoric to the contrary, Ronald Reagan did not limit the size of the government; the federal payroll actually increased under his administration. Budget deficits, long an anathema to Main Street Republicans, grew to stunning levels courtesy of the first Reagan budget. And it took a series of tax increases (supported by many those same fiscally conservative Republicans, lead by Kansas Sen. Robert Dole) to set the federal budget back on something like an even keel.

In a decade defined by its corporate greed, it seemed to conservatives that far too many of their President's friends were feeding at the trough. There were scandals involving the head of the Environmental Protection Agency, who accepted bribes from major polluters, and then there was the President's Chief of Staff who accepted gifts from the same Japanese corporations who were decimating the American auto industry. Finally, there came the revelation that while the Administration talked tough on terrorism, it was actually selling military supplies to Islamic radicals in the Middle East.

Religious conservatives, meanwhile, politely ignored that fact that Ronald Reagan was a man of no discernible religious convictions, despite his ability to repeat pious axioms on cue. They ignored the fact that he was divorced, that his second child was conceived out of wedlock, that he once fell asleep during an audience with the Pope. They even ignored that fact that even though he promised it regularly, the President never backed legislation to legalize school prayer or to outlaw abortion.

Blue collars workers who voted for Reagan were rewarded with plant closures and a federal government that provided tax incentives to corporations that relocated overseas. Fiscal conservatives were rewarded with a $3 trillion increase in the national debt and what seemed like no possibility of relief. Religious conservatives were rewarded with a stony silence by the administration on their most cherished programs.

Their hero, the champion of their values, had sold them out entirely.

Conservatives found themselves in a difficult position. Having invested so much of their identity in his presidency and having adopted Reagan as a national father figure, it would required a conservative of no small emotional fortitude to repudiate him. Just as abused children will continue to identify with their abusive parent, conservatives continued to identify with and to defend Ronald Reagan. Hating Ronald Reagan for the gross abuse of their trust was simply not an option, even though it was clear that Reagan was not a conservative, at least not by any definition they themselves would have used prior to 1980.

Conservatives knew that they were responsible for shackling their country with trillions of dollars in debt that their children and grandchildren would have to repay. They knew that their government had negotiated with and paid ransom to terrorists who then turned around kidnapped and murdered more Americans. They knew that the Reagan Administration had been conducting a covert war in Central America that resulted in tens of thousands of murders that included women, children, and — in one particularly appalling case — four American nuns.

So what ails conservatives? It appears to be something that strongly resembles Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. While one can observe nearly all the typical symptoms of PTSD in conservative behavior, I think that four in particular are worth noting:

Inability to recall key aspects of the trauma: Reagan supporters appear to be suffering from Alzheimer's Disease themselves, unable to recall the murder of 240 U.S. Marines in their barracks in Lebanon, but able to recall in detail the deaths of 24 US Army Rangers in Somalia.

Foreshortened Sense of the Future: Based on their fiscal and environmental priorities, Republicans seem to have a carpe diem attitude about the future. No Social Security? No Ozone Layer? No Problem!

Irritability or Outbursts of Anger: Notice the booming memberships in paramilitary militia groups during the past decade. Timothy McVeigh, who was treated with kid gloves compared to the abuse directed toward John Walker Lindh, continues to be the poster-boy for conservative anger.

Exaggerated Startle Response: Following the September 11 terrorist attacks, the Bush Administration activated a "shadow government" of some 100 bureaucrats. A plan devised during the Cold War in the event of nuclear war, it was never activated even during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

As the years passed and defending the Reagan legacy was clearly untenable, conservatives' rage needed an outlet, which they found in the person of William Jefferson Clinton. It was not enough to merely defeat Clinton in the 1992 election, it was emotionally imperative that he be destroyed and humiliated. He should, to use Clinton's own words, feel their pain. Even before his election, conservative publisher Richard Mellon Scaife was funding a series of investigations into Bill Clinton's past that would eventually become Whitewater.

They portrayed Clinton as a spendthrift Democrat, until the federal budget began to balance in the mid-1990's, and then they claimed (however implausibly) that the economic good times were actually the result of policies enacted by Ronald Reagan some fifteen years earlier. They portrayed the Clinton Administration as corrupt, hurling a half-dozen independent prosecutors and Clinton and his staff, and the result was not a single appointee convicted for a crime relating to actions as part of the Clinton Administration. They portrayed Clinton as a liar, under the perverse logic that lying about one's personal life is worse than Ronald Reagan's lying about multiple felonies committed by his staff as part of White House policy.

That Bill Clinton should have escaped them was all the more infuriating to conservatives. After eight years of relentless hammering, their bete noir left office with an approval rating that was even higher than that of Ronald Reagan. The wrath of God never descended on William Jefferson Clinton, and he would retire to the friendly confines of New York City to write his memoirs and hit the lecture circuit. With a majority of Americans still approving of Bill Clinton's job performance, conservatives like William Bennett could only grouse about a decline in national character.

Unlike other disorders, this one holds out little hope for effective treatment because there is a well-financed and highly-visible group that constants stokes the fires of hatred. The Republican Party and its handmaiden, the national media, will continue to portray Bill Clinton in the worst possible light, just as they will continue to make excuses for Ronald Reagan and his abysmal record as Chief Executive. Those who wish to live comfortably with their delusion will never lack for enablers.
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