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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:39 AM
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Time Magazine provides Bushco "Comeback Plan"
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 10:40 AM by DemsUnited
Living Too Much in the Bubble?
A bungled initial response to Katrina exposed the perils of a rigid, insular White House. Inside Bush's plan to show he isn't isolated
By MIKE ALLEN / WASHINGTON


<snip>
By late last week, Administration aides were describing a three-part comeback plan. The first: Spend freely, and worry about the tab and the consequences later. "Nothing can salve the wounds like money," said an official who helped develop the strategy. "You'll see a much more aggressively engaged President, traveling to the Gulf Coast a lot and sending a lot of people down there."

The second tactic could be summed up as, Don't look back. The White House has sent delegates to meetings in Washington of outside Republican groups who have plans to blame the Democrats and state and local officials. In the meantime, it has no plans to push for a full-scale inquiry like the 9/11 commission, which Bush bitterly opposed until the pressure from Congress and surviving families made resistance futile. Congressional Democrats have said they are unwilling to settle for anything less than an outside panel, but White House officials said they do not intend to give in, and will portray Democrats as politicking if they do not accept a bipartisan panel proposed by Republican congressional leaders. Ken Mehlman, the party's chairman and Bush's campaign manager last year, told TIME that viewers at home will think it's "kind of ghoulish, the extent to which you've got political leaders saying not 'Let's help the people in need' but making snide comments about vacations."

The third move: Develop a new set of goals to announce after Katrina fades. Advisers are proceeding with plans to gin up base-conservative voters for next year's congressional midterm elections with a platform that probably will be focused around tax reform. Because Bush will need a dynamic salesman to make sure that initiative goes better than his Social Security proposal, advisers tell TIME there is once again talk of replacing Treasury Secretary John Snow. There are no plans to delay tax cuts to pay for the New Orleans reconstruction or the Iraq war, and Bush is likely to follow through on his vow to veto anticipated congressional approval of increased federal funding for embryonic-stem-cell research.
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1103526-1,00.html

So, what do we think peoples? Can they get away with it AGAIN??
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:43 AM
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1. This will not help them comeback!
The first: Spend freely, and worry about the tab and the consequences later.

We all know how this is helping the economy with the tax cuts for the rich and the $ wasted in Iraq.

Bushco: Don't worry, let our kids and grandkids be burdened with crushing debt for life. They can work it off.:mad:
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:46 AM
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2. ..."a platform that probably will be focused around tax reform"...
Yeah. This ought to help. It's no secret that Bush wants a "consumption" tax...first choice, "National Sales Tax" (now being called "Fair Tax"). Second choice, a VAT. Read the following, and if the midterm elections are built on THIS premise, be prepared to fight or get sodomized:

From Bruce Bartlett:

"You know, I'm not exactly sure how big the national sales tax is going to have to be, but it's the kind of interesting idea that we ought to explore seriously," Bush said, according to a Reuters report.

August 09, 2004, 8:47 a.m.

A National Sales Tax No Vote: The rates would be vastly higher than what you might suspect.

House Speaker Dennis Hastert created a flurry of excitement in Republican circles the other day when it was reported that he is proposing the abolition of the Internal Revenue Service in his new book. This would be accomplished by eliminating all existing federal taxes and replacing them with a national retail sales tax. There is no indication of what tax rate Speaker Hastert thinks would be necessary to replace all federal revenue. A current proposal by Rep. John Linder (R., Ga.) says that a 23 percent rate would be adequate. But such a low rate can only be sustained by making completely absurd assumptions about what would be taxed. Every serious economist who has ever looked at this question has concluded that a vastly higher rate would in fact be needed.

An unstated assumption is that the 23 percent rate proposed by Linder is comparable to existing state and local sales taxes, where the tax comes on top of the purchase price. Thus, a 5 percent sales tax on a $1 purchase comes to $1.05. But that’s not the way the Linder plan works. He deceptively calculates the rate as if the tax is part of the purchase price. He calls this the tax-inclusive rate. Calculating the rate the normal way people are accustomed to with state and local sales taxes would require a 30 percent tax rate, not 23 percent. When Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation scored the Linder proposal four years ago it estimated that it would actually require a tax-inclusive rate of 36 percent, not 23 percent, to equal current federal revenues. Calculating the rate in a normal, tax-exclusive manner would mean a 57 percent rate.

Economist Bill Gale of the Brookings Institution notes that supporters of the sales tax assume that there will be no tax evasion under their proposal and that the size of government will not grow, even though they would send a large annual check to every American in order to offset the regressivity of the tax. Making realistic assumptions, Gale estimates that the tax-inclusive rate, comparable to Linder’s proposed 23 percent rate, would actually have to be about 50 percent. A rate comparable to existing sales taxes would be close to 100 percent. And let us not forget that state and local sales taxes would come on top of the federal sales tax, pushing the total rate even higher. Obviously, the federal government is not going to impose tax rates this high, nor would anyone pay them if it did. There would be a massive tax revolt.

From Nancy Pelosi:

http://democraticleader.house.gov/press/releases.cfm?pressReleaseID=701

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 23, 2004

Pelosi: ‘National Sales Tax Would be Burden for Middle Class Americans, But Boon for the Wealthy’

Washington, D.C. -- House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi held a news conference in the Capitol this afternoon with Congressmen Charles Rangel of New York, and John Spratt and James Clyburn, both of South Carolina, to denounce a Republican plan for a national sales tax. Below are Pelosi’s remarks and a fact sheet about the proposal:

“Today, we are here to highlight one of the many clear contrasts between Democrats and Republicans: Republicans want to undermine our American values of prosperity and fairness with a new national sales tax of at least 30 percent and as high as 50 percent or more on all goods, including homes and cars.

“A national sales tax would be a burden for middle class Americans, but a boon for the wealthy. Families with children would lose their current tax deductions, and seniors would essentially be taxed twice.

“This proposal is ludicrous and should be dismissed outright. Yet Speaker Hastert wrote about the national sales tax and the flat tax in his new book, saying ‘both of these ideas are worthy of consideration.’ And Majority Leader Tom DeLay is co-sponsoring the bill, and has said: ‘It is high time the debate about the flat tax and a national consumption tax moved out of Washington think tanks and into American living rooms. That's why I have signedon to Congressman John Linder's proposal to scrap the current tax code altogether and replace it with a national sales tax.’

“The Republican plan would make it harder for middleclass families to make ends meet. A national sales tax would undermine the American value of prosperity. For example, cars that cost $20,000 would cost an additional $6,000 under this proposal. Just wait until the car dealers hear about this proposal. Prescription drugs that cost $100 would now cost $130. New homes, insurance premiums, brokerage fees, and gasoline would all be heavily taxed to replace revenue brought in by the current tax system.

“It would wipe out our system of progressive taxation. A national sales tax would undermine the American value of fairness.

“The American people should be aware that the Republicans’ primary tax agenda is a new national sales tax.”

The Republican Plan to Raise Taxes on the Middle Class

All over the country, middle class Americans are being squeezed byRepublican policies that have lost 1.7 million private sector jobs; allowed the price of health care, education, and gas to skyrocket; and created record deficits. Now Republicans are proposing a new national sales tax that would increase taxes for the typical middle class by about 50 percent. Democrats know that approach is wrong. Instead of raising taxes on the middle class, Democrats have pledged to promote prosperity and fairness by enacting middle class tax relief, creating new jobs, and eliminating tax loopholes so all Americans pay their fair share.

GOP SALES TAX HIKES A FAMILY’S TAX BURDEN BY 50 PERCENT

The new GOP national sales tax would replace all personal and corporate income taxes, Social Security, Medicare, and payroll taxes, and gift and estate taxes with a new national sales tax on goods like groceries, clothing, new home sales and apartment rents, and health care services. This new GOP tax would be applied on top of existing state sales taxes. This proposal would increase taxes by about $3,200 a year for 80 percent of taxpayers, and potentially more for some families.

MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES SQUEEZED AGAIN

Families with children. Families with children are hit the hardest, as this proposal would eliminate all the current law tax benefits for these families, including the child tax credit. A middle class family with four children with a combined income of $65,000 would face an increase of more than $5,000 in their tax liability.

New homeowners. The Republican tax hike proposal would eliminate the tax deduction that families get on their home mortgages and apply this new sales percent tax to the cost of a home. If a family buys a new house listed for $150,000, the new tax brings the actual purchase price to $195,000.

Jump in property taxes. The Republican sales tax hike would require states to send an additional $300 billion to the federal government in sales taxes – a tax increase that states would immediately pass on to residents. Arkansas, Delaware, Kentucky, Hawaii, and New Jersey could all see property tax increases higher than 400 percent. The lowest state property tax hike possible – in New Hampshire – would still be more than 70 percent.

Gas and electricity. The average family would pay an additional 60 cents a gallon for gasoline – a new tax that will hit families in rural areas particularly hard. Families with large home heating or cooling bills also will be harmed.

SENIORS FACE NEW TAXES

Beneficiaries pay twice for Social Security and pension benefits. Most Social Security benefits and a portion of pension payments are exempt from income tax. But this proposal requires seniors to pay the new sales tax – meaning that seniors are now being taxed twice for their Social Security, once when they pay the payroll taxes and again when they pay the sales taxes.

Threaten Solvency of the Medicare Trust Fund. Medicare would be required to pay the new sales tax as well, forcing the program into insolvency in five years. If this proposal were enacted, Medicare would run out of funds in 2009.

Undermines pension coverage. The new GOP sales tax hike would reduce the incentives employers currently get for offering their employees a pension plan. The American Academy of Actuaries has concluded that “pension plans would quickly diminish in number and size and gradually disappear” if a consumption tax, such as the national sales tax were enacted as a substitute to the current income tax.

From The National Retail Federation:

http://www.nrf.com/content/default.asp?folder=press/release2005&file=NRST-comments.htm&bhfv=2&bhqs=1

Retailers File Comments Urging Rejection of Consumption Tax

WASHINGTON, D.C., June 13, 2005 - The National Retail Federation today announced that it has filed comments with the President's Advisory Panel on Federal Tax Reform urging the panel to reject economically risky proposals to replace the nation's income tax system with a consumption tax or to add a new consumption tax on top of existing taxes.

"The United States should not experiment with a brand new tax system that will put our economic future at risk," NRF said. "It is better to engage in substantial reforms of the income tax that are designed to eliminate some of the major complications in the current Internal Revenue Code and stimulate economic growth without causing major economic dislocation."

NRF's remarks came in response to proposals for tax reform that were presented to the Advisory Panel during a series of hearings this spring. The panel asked for public comments on the proposals last month.

NRF on Friday submitted a detailed statement outlining the dangers of various consumption tax proposals. The statement addressed the National Retail Sales Tax proposed by Representative John Linder, R-Va., plans for a Value Added Tax similar to those used in Europe, and other consumption tax proposals.

The NRF statement cited a study commissioned by NRF in 2000 that found that a national sales tax would bring a three-year decline in the economy, a four-year decline in employment and an eight-year decline in consumer spending. The study showed that similar results could be expected if other types of consumption taxes were enacted to replace the current system.

NRF argued that consumption taxes are inherently regressive because low-income families spend virtually their entire incomes while wealthier families have larger percentages of unspent income that would go untaxed.

NRF particularly urged the Advisory Panel to reject proposals to maintain the current tax system while adding a VAT or other new tax that would be used to pay for programs such as Social Security or health care. Doing so would amount to a tax increase rather than tax reform and would provide lawmakers with "a money machine" to finance increases in government spending, NRF said.

From Roth & Co:

http://www.rothcpa.com/archives/cat_tax_reform.php

June 02, 2005
I DON'T THINK HE LIKES THE 'FAIR' TAX

The "Fair Tax," a proposal for a national retail sales tax, has gotten some attention in the tax reform debate. Joseph Thorndike, a columnist for Tax Analysts, isn't quite sold on it:

First, though, we have to sort through an embarrassment of riches: How can we identify the worst quality of a tax that has so many? As numerous critics have pointed out, the Fair Tax would raise too little revenue and prompt too much evasion. Its popularity depends on unreasonable assumptions and misleading descriptions. It would never work as advertised -- a fact that many of its supporters either choose to ignore or secretly celebrate.

But other than that, maybe he likes it.

WHAT IS THE REAL RATE?

Mr. Thorndike points out that the 23% rate touted by Fair Tax supporters is misleading, because it is a "tax inclusive" rate. The 6% tax rate we Polk Countians are accustomed to is "tax exclusive" - it isn't included in the sales tax rate.

Example:

Wally buys a new computer for $1,000, and he pays $60 in sales tax. His "tax exclusive" rate is 6%. His "tax inclusive rate" is 5.66% (60/1060 = 5.66%).

If you compute the "Fair Tax" the way we are used to talking about sales tax rates - tax exclusive - it will apply at a 30% rate. That's a real difference.

Perhaps we are biased, being income tax consultants, but the Fair Tax seems to have some huge practical problems. Two come immediately to mind.

WHEN RATES GET TOO HIGH, PEOPLE CHEAT

Sales taxes are only likely to work if rates are low enough to not interfere with commerce. When combined with state and local taxes, the Fair Tax would burden every trip to Git 'n Go with a 36% or higher surcharge. This is high enough to push many transactions into the E-bay economy.

HIGH SALES TAX RATES THREATEN BUSINESSES THAT COLLECT SALES TAXES

Taxpayers going through their first sales tax audit are astounded at how big the assessments can be. They also know that they aren't as simple as many folks believe. While income taxes are only a problem to the extent your business is profitable, sales taxes apply even when you are losing money, and they apply based on gross receipts - a much larger base than taxable income.

Because sales taxes are computed on a big base, a small error in determining what transactions are subject to tax can lead to a stiff assessment over three years, even at a "low" 6% rate. At a 36% rate, even little errors would be ruinous.

FAIR TAX PROSPECTS?

Mr. Thorndike doesn't think the Fair Tax will survive the tax reform process:

And the winner of this year's prize for Worst Idea in a Serious Public Policy Debate: the Fair Tax. In all likelihood, this plan for a national retail sales tax has already exhausted its 15 minutes of fame. Sometime later this summer, President Bush's commission on federal tax reform will probably put it out of its misery.
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Goldensilence Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:04 AM
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7. the alarm is going off
and for once it doesn't seem like most americans are hitting the snooze button
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:11 AM
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9. Welcome to DU, Goldensilence!
We'd better HOPE that they don't snooze, because if they're not in Bush's "base," they'll lose...REALLY, REALLY lose.

:patriot:
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 07:43 PM
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18. this proposal is utterly stupid
and everyone knows it. it would crush domestic spending, start a cycle of deflation, and lead us into another depression. no sane person would do this.

of course, the neocons aren't sane. so, whereas in a sane world i'd advise you to ignore this nonsense, we may not have that luxury this time, as Ms. Pelosi demonstrates with her response.

-Laelth
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:51 AM
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3. i don't think so
I hope I'm not being a cockeyed optimist here, but I think the jig is up for this moron.
Most Americans have now been exposed to his blatant imcompentance and incredibly cold personal view of tragedy. The media, finally, is showing signs of waking. Maybe we'll see a new intrepid media that will take a hard look at the serious crimes committed by this administration.
And there's more to come. Fitzgerald's investigation is around the corner.
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pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:53 AM
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4. WE DON'T WANT HIM TO COME BACK!!
JUST GO AWAY!! CLEAR OFF!! GET LOST!! or GFyourself preferably in some cave far from civilization. :mad:
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:56 AM
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5. The American People are not stupid.
Shrub convinced 51% of voters last November that he could
keep them safe. He just blew that myth to Hell.
Beyond that, these the same gimmicks BushCo tried since 2001.

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 06:49 PM
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15. COMEBACK? as likely as Charles Manson comeback...!
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 07:50 PM
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19. very nicely said. n/t
-Laelth
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:04 AM
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6. They can describe "comeback" plans all they want. Bush is toast w/o major
media resusitation, and that is not necessariily a given this time.

And why doesn't one Democrat remind folks that not only has Brownie not been fired, as head of FEMA, he will be in charge of doling out the billions of dollars for Katrina relief and reconstruction.

Joe Allbaugh, Brownie's old roomate he placed in the job, has already received $200,000,000 in Katrina related contracts.


Katrina could turn out to be quite a bonanza for Dubya's major contributors.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:30 PM
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11. That Depends
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 12:31 PM by AndyTiedye
Bush is toast w/o major media resusitation, and that is not necessariily a given this time

It ALL comes down to the Fitzgerald investigation.
If he is able to indict Rove, then it's open season.
If not, then Rove is back in the saddle and the media will fall into line singing the praises of the regime.


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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:07 AM
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8. Time please remove *'s unit from your mouth ...
<The day after Katrina's landfall, Bush awoke in San Diego and just after 5 a.m. local time talked to an aide about the seriousness of the storm, then convened an emergency conference call of his top staff. He was scheduled to spend a few more nights at the ranch, but an aide said he blurted out, "We're going back." Bush also said he wanted Cabinet members recalled from vacations. At a Cabinet meeting last week, according to a participant, Bush said he knew he had "a big problem to solve.">

He was not told how serious the problem was until thursday PM .....
Scotty McCellen would not answer the question of when the President
was told of the levee break.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:16 AM
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10. And I'm sure Time Magazine stands ready, willing and able
To assist Stupidhead in his comeback, and continue to swallow administration bullshit while proclaiming it to be the finest filet mignon.

I'm so glad that the Fourth Estate sees its most immediate duty in this time to be to map out a political strategy for a staggering and incompetent administration to mount a comeback.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:33 PM
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12. Democrats, wake up. Now. not later. NOW.
eom
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:11 PM
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13. Can we expect an equally thoughtful piece on how the DEMOCRATS
can make a "comeback" let alone totally BURY the repukes and bunkerboy!

Whe is time doing the repukes work for them?!?!?!?!

So much for impartially just telling the truth!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 07:14 PM
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17. I think the article has a different angle
It exposes how scheming the administratiion and GOp are. This article makes them look very short-sighted and cynical.

It also makes things like Bush's visits to NO look as cynical as they are, when put into the framework of an Extreme Makeover.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 06:23 PM
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14. Bush says its the Mayor's job to keep us safe from terror?
Mayor Joe? THAT guy?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 07:12 PM
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16. They'll get away with it if the Democrats don't have a plan
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 07:15 PM by Armstead
Amazing how cynical the GOP strategy is, and how up front the unnamed GOP official is about their cynicism.

Democrats have to be equally aggressive and coherent in their response. They don't have to be cynical -- Just tell the damn truth without waffling, and show the GOP for what it is.

They need to point out the hypocricy of "tax reform" while the administration is spending like a drunken sailor.

They need to hammer at the ideological inevitability of the disasterous response to a disaster -- and the impracticality of cutting back government services, and then having to spend more to clean up the mess that results.

They also ought to point out the corruption of awarding contracts to Halliburton, cutting the wages of recovery workers, etc.



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