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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 02:50 PM
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SEPT 24TH MUST BE NON-VIOLENT - Governor Blanco Blackmailed?
Edited on Mon Sep-05-05 02:52 PM by Nictuku
I posted this in another thread, but it is such an important issue, I feel the urgent need to get the word out to anyone who may be involved in upcoming protests:


I'd like to know what the official system for directing the National Guard is. I don't think that the Louisiana Governor can 'call other states National Guard' into Action, I think that through FEMA, they can be requested from other states.

The Louisiana Governor requested Federal assistance on 8/28, thereby activating FEMA and her own National Guard. In her request to the Federal Government she said that the local assets would be overwhelmed.

I've been collecting information at another site, some of it from DU, some from other sources. I've been trying to figure out what the delay was caused by.

I think I have figured it out, and it is big.

It is going to be relevant to the protests on 9/24. I think we need to get the word out that non-violence in our protests has never been more important, because this administration is trying to declare Marshall Law on the entire country, using the disaster as a precurser.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html
Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.
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Political Blackmail? There is a bit of history to be found on Bush trying to Federalize the National Guard:
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http://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/ngaletterrelease3602.asp
Governors Urge President Not to Federalize Guard Troops
(March 6, 2002) - The nation's governors have urged President Bush not to federalize National Guardsmen for border patrol missions and to reaffirm the vital role the state chief executives play in meeting challenges of securing and defending the homeland.
<snip>
The governors object to using Guardsmen in federal Title 10 status not only because they would lose their control over the personnel, but because it will interfere with soldier training in addition to "effective force management of the states' military personnel." They say it will also "prevent certain personal accommodations of soldiers' and civilian employers' special needs during the term of federal service."
<snip>
The governors also warned the president that he may be on shaky legal ground using federalized Guardsmen for border duty. Guardsmen under Title 10 are subject to the Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits the use of federal troops in law enforcement.


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Guard Leaders Urge President to Keep Guardsmen Under State Control in Homeland Security Missions
For immediate release
Contact: John Goheen or Kristin Patterson - (202) 789-0031

WASHINGTON (March 4, 2002) - National Guard leaders from across the country have urged the president to leave Guardsmen under state control for most homeland security missions-most notably and urgently, U.S. border patrol.
<snip>
They are concerned by Office of the Secretary of Defense attempts to "federalize" Guardsmen to assist non-Defense Department federal agencies. Doing so would lead to the "unwise and unacceptable precedent" of eliminating the nation's governors from their role in homeland security, Guard leaders say.

It could also violate prohibitions of using federal troops in law enforcement, they warn. Guardsmen serving at commercial airports receive federal pay but are under state control. Guard leaders urge using their personnel in this status, or "Title 32," for all homeland security missions.

"We are trying to prevent what could develop into de facto national policy," said Maj. Gen. John Kane, Adjutant General Association president and Idaho adjutant general. "Routinely federalizing the Guard for homeland security missions erodes the control of the governor over our soldiers and airmen. It also degrades our training and readiness for other state emergencies and for overseas missions in support of the Army and Air Force."
<snip>
In addition, Guardsmen serving under Title 32 do not fall under the Posse Comitatus Act, the 1878 law that prohibits the use of federal troops in law enforcement.

The generals' request comes as the OSD plans to begin federalizing Army National Guardsmen for U.S border patrol this week. Defense officials issued call-up orders Feb. 22.

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These are very very serious matters, which all citizens of the U.S. should be concerned about.

This is what the the 'right to bear arms' is all about. We do not want the government to be able to use its military against its citizenship, as expressed in the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.

The main concern back then was that the military was overseeing elections. Think about it.

I believe the Govenor of Louisiana was blackmailed into allowing the federalization of the National Guard, this is what she needed time to think about. But it is political blackmail.

Did Bush 'withold' assistance and support to the City of New Orleans so that the situation would degenerate into such a desperate situation that the Governor would have no choice but to allow the Federalization of her National Guard?

Is this why FEMA (under the control of Homeland Security) was TURNING AWAY WATER, GAS, BOATS, FOOD brought in by American Citizens?

And think about it, if the upcoming protests turn violent (and even if we are all non-violent, they could plant agents provacateur in the crowds, purposly causing the violence.

I already believe that the violence we are seeing in New Orleans would have not been as prevelant had they had water and food. (I'm sure there would be some looting, so I'm not saying that). But the varying stories of the shooting on the bridge yesterday...

Anyway, I digress.

Blianco was very smart:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html

The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law.

Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly.

A senior administration official said that Bush has clear legal authority to federalize National Guard units to quell civil disturbances under the Insurrection Act and will continue to try to unify the chains of command that are split among the president, the Louisiana governor and the New Orleans mayor.


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So.. withold, and PREVENT assistance, until the dehydrating masses rioted, so they could justify Military Takeover?

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Blanco made two moves Saturday that protected her independence from the federal government: She created a philanthropic fund for the state's victims and hired James Lee Witt, Federal Emergency Management Agency director in the Clinton administration, to advise her on the relief effort.

Bush, who has been criticized, even by supporters, for the delayed response to the disaster, used his weekly radio address to put responsibility for the failure on lower levels of government. The magnitude of the crisis "has created tremendous problems that have strained state and local capabilities," he said. "The result is that many of our citizens simply are not getting the help they need, especially in New Orleans. And that is unacceptable."

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So..... the only way any city can expect help from the National Guard, FEMA, even other citizens, is if we relinquish all State authority to the Government?

This is wrong. It goes against the wisdom of our Founding Fathers.

America needs to open its eyes and see what is really going on here.

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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 02:56 PM
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1. kicked and recommended.....thank you.......n/t
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 03:09 PM
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2. Thank you!
I hope more people will take a moment to consider the severity of this issue.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:22 PM
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21. What about Thr Rove provocateurs/spoilers to start trouble intentionally
we know they do this, I personnaly experienced it San Francisco
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 03:11 PM
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3. I sure hope the Dems are building a legal case on this....
Did this happen to MS and AL governors?? Not that I know of....This sort of targeting is beyond the pale, with people's lives in the balance.

Really, when does it end?? And are Dems going to separate a Supreme Court justice nomination from this? A nominee who is just a politcal crony, not a real judge, as for as I'm concerned? I think we are jeopardizing the country if the Dems don't fight this....
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 03:14 PM
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4. I agree - regardless of the latest brouhaha - violence is not the way
to fight this. It will just continue the cycle.

Passive resistance, civil disobedience are all fine with me, but if there is even a whiff of violence near me in Washington, I will walk away as quickly as possible because it could get ugly.

I have had great experiences at protests in DC, and I expect to have another. The cops are usually on our side ideologically, just doing their jobs, not looking for trouble. I hope this time isn't different, but it won't surprise me...

:patriot:
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 03:15 PM
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5. Excellent analysis. Nominated.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 03:19 PM
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6. He must have the Governors permission to federalize
the Guard. At least that is my understanding.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 03:19 PM
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7. Excellent piece. Nominated.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 03:21 PM
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8. What can we do?
Suppose for a minute that martial law is declared, what do we do?

How would we communicate or organize?

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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 03:40 PM
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9. That's Martial Law...Not Marshall Law.
"a state in which all civil laws, rights and liberties are suspended and the military has direct rule."

This post was recommended? sheesh.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 08:13 AM
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26. we understood his intent. what is your intent?
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 03:49 PM
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10. kicked and recommended
this is really bizarre..........
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GeorgeBushytail Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 03:51 PM
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11. What affect will Camp Katrina on the Mall have on 9/24?
Edited on Mon Sep-05-05 03:52 PM by GeorgeBushytail
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:39 PM
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16. SHAME GAME: Dear Georgebushytail: we shld walk around naked
Dear Georgebushytail:

I am sure that you can appreciate Mahatma Ghandi's approach to occupation of a foreign entity at your own doorstep. Certainly we should pursue and support non-violence wherever and whenever we see it. I thought perhaps that we could clearly indicate to the police that we have no vile intentions by walking around naked?...no, just kidding.

Like when I was in London a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Black males and particularly those who looked Muslim were not wearing anything close to a jacket in order to be sure that the police shoot them down like that poor Brazilian man. There was even a man dribbling his basketball next to the Tube in London; I figured it had to do with he wanting to be sure that the police knew that there was no bomb in there!

Thanks for taking non-violence to the DU congregation.

Sincerely,
THE DOCTOR
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:41 PM
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17. SHAME GAME: Dear Georgebushytail: we shld walk around naked
Dear Georgebushytail:

I am sure that you can appreciate Mahatma Ghandi's approach to occupation of a foreign entity at your own doorstep. Certainly we should pursue and support non-violence wherever and whenever we see it. I thought perhaps that we could clearly indicate to the police that we have no vile intentions by walking around naked?...no, just kidding.

Like when I was in London a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Black males and particularly those who looked Muslim were not wearing anything close to a jacket in order to be sure that the police shoot them down like that poor Brazilian man. There was even a man dribbling his basketball next to the Tube in London; I figured it had to do with he wanting to be sure that the police knew that there was no bomb in there!

Thanks for taking non-violence to the DU congregation.

Sincerely,
THE DOCTOR
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 03:56 PM
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12. Very, very important! Recommended!
Peace protest crowds are real good at defusing problem situations, identifying and isolating trouble-makers, and calming overly-excited or dangerous people. Many have worked hard on the philosophy and techniques of peaceful protest--both within themselves and with regard to others. Reducing tensions. Preventing violence. To someone on this thread who said he would run away if he saw any violence: if you see something happening, turn to those around you for assistance. You WILL find help. And be careful about a strategy of running away from trouble--the police could target any fleeing person. Better just to back out, slowly, if possible. Best: Have those around you help with quelling the situation.

Stay alert! Stay in tune with the people around you. Keep your own mind focused not on anger but on a better world. You will find that better world, right there, surrounding you.

I've been in a crowd of 50,000 people on the street, marching, with NOT ONE INCIDENT OF ANY KIND ANYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE DAY--not one!--because of the alertness and committed peacefulness of both organizers and participants. I've never felt safer in my life.

I think this is going to be a very, very awesome protest, of at least a million people--the first wave of American Revolution II, this one for peace and justice, achieved by peaceful means.

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Re: Bush and Gov. Blanco. I've no doubt that the Bush Cartel has the most degraded intentions in LA, and for the country. But we will rise, and are rising, above it. I was thinking--for the governments offering aid, like Venezuela and Cuba, that the Bush Cartel may turn down for despicable political reasons--the Governor could accept such aid. Cuba's offering something like a thousand doctors, was it?; Venezuela's offering cheap gas to the poor through Citgo, outright cash, and other assistance. I was actually thinking how to get the aid from ALL countries (there are many--although Venezuela and Cuba were the first!) directly to the poor, bypassing the Bush Cartel FEMA bottleneck (where much of it will likely be embezzled, used for the rich, or even used for the Iraq war). Someone needs to be working on this diplomatically--to have the offered aid go through the governor and local gov't, not the Feds. Jesse Jackson maybe?
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 04:21 PM
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13. I've also been v. concerned about this and
think we need to do all we can to raise awareness of the issues and the danger, and to demand a thorough investigation.

Go here for a media blaster: http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blaster

You can reach your reps through this site: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 04:35 PM
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14. Best way is to support this Governor
Edited on Mon Sep-05-05 04:36 PM by Nictuku
She created a philanthropic fund for the state's victims and hired James Lee Witt, Federal Emergency Management Agency director in the Clinton administration, to advise her on the relief effort.

DemsUnited posted this on another thread:

From the official website of state of Louisiana:

The Louisiana Disaster Recovery Foundation has been established in order to help provide immediate assistance to our citizens in need through a network of Louisiana charities, non-profit and governmental agencies, including clearinghouses like the Louisiana VOAD (Volunteer Organizations Active in Disaster). The Foundation is also designed to support long-term family restoration and recovery by focusing on education, housing, health care, legal assistance and jobs for Louisiana families whose lives have been altered by Hurricane Katrina.

By postal mail, please make donations payable to Louisiana Disaster Recovery Foundation, Inc. and mail to:

Louisiana Disaster Recovery Foundation, Inc.
Fed. Tax ID No. 20-3399944
c/o Division of Administration
1201 North Third Street, Suite 7-240
P.O. Box 94095
Baton Rouge, LA 70804-9095
Inquiries may be directed to: [email protected]

http://www.katrina.louisiana.gov/donate.htm

THIS FUND IS IMPORTANT FOR TWO REASONS...

1. Relief goes right to victims
2. MONEY HELPS LOUISIANA KEEP IT'S INDEPENDENCE!!

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north houston dem Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:19 PM
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15. kick
recommended
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:09 PM
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18. THANK YOU....
For posting this...I have been warning people ever since I heard they intended to close NG armories, and put the NG under the thumb of the regular military...that the people and the state's Governors, must not allow this to happen.....
The NG is the only military institution that is there for US..we the people...to protect us from all foreign and domestic threats within our own borders...including OUR gov't, if it should ever become necessary...in fact, I question if it's even legal for any of the NG to be in Iraq...
I realized the threat as soon as I heard their intentions...and I am certainly happy to hear that someone is paying attention..
This bunch is up to one thing...one way or another...to declare Martial Law in this country, and suspend the constitution/elections...and as soon as they have all the judges on the bench that they want there...look out...any little thing will trigger it...I was concerned about the march in DC on the 24th...very concerned...for the safety of the marchers..as well as wondering what they might do, to cause a ruckus, and have it all go bad...
We truly need to be paying strict attention to what happens on this score...and on the 24th, as well..and as far as what happened in NO...I have no doubt you have reached the right conclusion...sad as I am to say it...good for the Gov. of LA...she didn't fall into the trap they set...
windbreeze
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:20 PM
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19. Thank you Windbreeze
For getting it! I hope more people do. This is serious stuff.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 09:58 PM
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20. Agree. I'm worried about DOD's prior "Support the Troops" rally.
Concerned "something will happen to turn THAT one violent, and trigger some form of reactionary ban on protests.
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:08 AM
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22. I heard a rumor
That people were being shot over night while trying to 'escape' from New Orleans. This rumor came via shortwave radio, so no link.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:41 AM
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23. Sorry...
... First of all I refuse to think anyone who doesn't know how to spell martial law could possibly have any insight into the highest levels of government. Do you ever read? If you have never even read a definition of what martial law is, how can you make such wild claims?

Exactly why everyone is so convinced that our government would and even more importantly could declare martial law is beyond me.

Not even the drooling freepers would sit still for that. And what would it accomplish? Stopping protests? Installing a dictator? Exactly how long do you think the military and the people would go along with that bullshit?

Sorry, I see your idea as nothing less than pure paranoia.
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:26 AM
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24. It was a typo
I'm sure you have made one at one time or another. I tried to edit the post, but too much time had passed.

Go ahead and attack my spelling, it is clear that you knew what I meant.

Go ahead an bury your head in the sand, but can you explain this:

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1da8-11da-b40b-00000e2511c8.html
FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048
FEMA turns away experienced firefighters

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/05blame.html?
FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/05blame.html?
FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862&BRD=1817&PAG=461&dept_id=68561&rfi=6
FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509040369sep04,1,4144825.story?
FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/3/171718/0826
FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902daley,1,2011979.story?coll=chi-news-hed
FEMA to Chicago: Send just one truck

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html
FEMA turns away generators (See entry from 3:32 P.M. by Ben Morris, Slidell mayor)

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470
FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond"

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 08:34 AM
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27. No...
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 08:35 AM by sendero
.. it is not a "typo". Typu is a typo.

It is the substitution of a word with a vaguely similar meaning. It is a repudiation of the very meaning of the word, martial, which means of or pertaining to war.

I have no doubt whatsoever that FEMA doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. But declaring martial law in NO being some kind of precursor for declaring it nationally? Surely you are kidding.
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 10:53 AM
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31. Whatever
Focus on the spelling of a word. Have at it.

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:10 AM
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32. Make no mistake..
.... I'm focusing on your credibility, and I'm saying flat out that your idea is plain nuts, it isn't going to happen.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 08:11 AM
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25. kicked, bookmarked and recommended
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SoCalifer Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 08:59 AM
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28. USC Title 10 Section 311
If the National Guard ("organized militia") ever gets federalized. In my opinion, I'd say its time to rally the "unorganized" militia.



    USC Title 10 Section 311

    Militia: composition and classes

    (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    (b) The classes of the militia are—

    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

    (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.



http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_sec_10_00000311----000-.html
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:06 AM
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29. the delay IMHO was from bush wanting a negotiation of POWER
he delayed aid
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SoCalifer Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:19 AM
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30. That would
seem to be a logical answer wouldn't it? Especially since we all know what a power hungry nazi this SOB is.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 11:17 AM
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33. Welcome to DU!
Of course this was one of the motivations. NOTHING these people do is clean and above-board. It's always some scheme or manipulation to get what they want at the expense of someone less powerful or someone who can't stop them or someone at whom they're pissed off - and want to punish. There's ALWAYS an angle and an ulterior motive - and it's NEVER altruistic. EVER.
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:32 PM
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34. I'd have to agree (eom)
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