Stop it! Stop it! We need to unite! Don't be sour if your guy's out.

[PretzelWarrior]

You need to stop attacking Kerry and Clark. My preference is Kerry, then Edwards, then Dean and then Clark. Having said that...I feel any of the top 4 could get the job done as president.

I lean toward Kerry as the most electable, and I like his background.

Quit attacking these guys with stupid references to a gesture or a look or whatever you seem to be finding. It is so petty.

Get on the DEMOCRATIC TRAIN to the White House. If we are all disciplined and find one common voice of outrage and disgust with the imperialistic, political, evil, environment-ruining, gay-bashing, discrimination-minded Bush White House, we shall overcome.

Please stop the attacks. Say something good about your candidate. It may have more of an effect you want and you won't look so pathetic.

[La_Serpiente]

1. As a Kerry supporter

don't worry about it. It's not like "it's the end of the world".

And the attacks will keep on coming. Is it pathetic? Not all of it is. I think some of it is legitimate.

However, most of what I've seen is crap.

[pdx_prog]

2. Here here...

The majority will decide the best candidate. We shall vote for our personal favorites in the primaries, and the parties favorite in the ge!...:)

[vi5]

3. No! Because clearly if (candidate) does not win...

Then it is proof positive that (insert shadowy conspiracy theory here) exists. As such I will refuse to participate in any system that does not select (candidate) as its nominee because they perceive (candidate) to be too (insert angry/wooden/liberal/republican operative/inexperienced here)!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. Frankly, I want to know good things about all the candidates

A co-worker asked me about the candidates yesterday. He doesn't like Bush and is serious about voting Democratic. I could tell him a lot about Dean, the candidate I support, but I couldn't go into as much detail about the others. So help with informational threads!

[spooky3]

8. hey, ayes, send your friend to

www.johnedwards2004.com.

The home page is a little busy, but there are links to topics. He can click on the ones that are of greatest interest to him.

You might also send him to one of the many sites on the web that let you take a quiz to see who matches you best.

such as

http://www.selectsmart.com/president/

[PretzelWarrior]

9. well, we should definitely help with more information about each

because there is no saying who will come out on top when all the states have had their say. (Expecting Lieberman to drop out after today though).

http://www.johnkerry.com

you can have your friend read through John Kerry's position on issues right there on the front page of his site.

[henslee]

5. I'm going GREEN and there's nothing you can do.... just kidding.

[La_Serpiente]

6. lol

[Egnever]

7. No thanks

I do not want Kerry as my president any more than I want bush.

If he continues to be in the lead I will continue to try to point out the many reasons I think he isnt worthy of being my president untill there is no one left standing.

[PretzelWarrior]

10. that's a B.S. argument. you're almost "Naderizing"

that there's no difference between Gore and Bush in 2000. WRONNNGO CHONNGO! There was a BIGGGGGG difference, and there will be a big difference about how things will be done in this country re: domestic programs, judicial nominations, etc.

I can't even believe you are uttering those words. Tell me what you can draw as comparisons to Bush regarding Kerry. That he voted for IWR? Gotta do better than that. Dean would have done the SAME DAM THING if he had a high enough office (which he didn't).

[Egnever]

15. I didnt say theres no difference

I said I dont want either one of them as my president.

Deal with it theres a lot more like me out there.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

11. see my sig for what I think of that

The lesser of two corporatists is still a corporatist. If we have 4 more years of Bush, blame the collaborators.

[library_max]

37. Wait a minute.

If we have four more years of Bush, blame the people who voted against him?????

What kind of logic is that?

[TexasSissy]

12. I agree. The attacks are getting ugly.

A winner will emerge soon enough.

If my guy doesn't win, I'm positioned to choose an alternatve. I will not choose one who goes overboard on attacking my guy or another candidate.

Supporters should keep that in mind: if your candidate does well, you will need to attract the supporters of those who drop out.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

13. ABBL!

Anyone but Bush or Lieberman.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

14. how is Kerry better than Lieberman?

At least Lieberman is consistent.

[PretzelWarrior]

18. consistently pro-war. consistently pro-Israel. consistently boring.

consistently short. consistently Jewish. consistently the wrong answer every time.

I'm not against short people (I'm only 5' 9) I'm not against Jewish people. But all of those factors and his extreme conservatism prove to me he will be a no-go with many Bush voters and a no-go for the very leftwing group of Dems. They won't even show up for the vote.

WE NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN CHALLENGE BUSH ON FOREIGN POLICY and NATIONAL SECURITY! But we also need someone with long-time party credentials who's been in there fighting the battles. Fighting the "best and brightest" who allowed Vietnam War to drag on. Fighting special interests. Fighting alongside a true liberal, Ted Kennedy.

We don't need or want Lieberman. My vote is for John Kerry. But I won't bash Lieberman as a guy who doesn't care. I think he does. I just think his stands and his personality don't pass the national politics test. (His number of votes on the Gore ticket don't really count). Just ask Walter Mondale.

[worldgonekrazy]

21. Oh I thought you were describing Kerry

But now I see the error of my ways. Clearly he isn't consistently pro-war, even though he did vote for the IWR against all rational reason. Clearly he also isn't pro-Israel, although he has supported just about every U.S. action to prop up Sharon's despotic government. And OF COURSE he isn't consistently boring, even though he does sometimes make Al Gore look like Mr. Personality.

Yeah right. Take another look at your candidate.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

27. thanks, that should be obvious

but it seems lost on some.

[calimary]

30. Actually, I think the situation is desperate enough that I'd hold my nose

and support Lieberman if I had to. If he's the only one left standing when the smoke clears, that is. I kinda doubt it'll come to that, but I'm preparing to face it even now. I'm a Dean person. But I'll support whomever or whoever winds up being our standard-bearer.

[poskonig]

16. You're not going to convince some people here.

They love their Georgie. ;-)

[Egnever]

17. nope cant stand George but dont like Kerry any better.

[poskonig]

19. Amen. Pro-choicers suck.

Tax fairness sucks. Healthcare access sucks. Gun control sucks. A clean environment sucks. I just can't stand John F. Kerry.

Go George W. Bush!!!

</SARCASM>

[JohnKleeb]

26. You forgot easier college loans konig

:)

[worldgonekrazy]

20. You don't understand

This isn't about my guy versus some other guy. This is about the direction of the Democratic party and, I believe, the nation as a whole. Do we stick with the same tired enablers like Kerry, thereby putting a newer, hjappier face on the same damn policies? Or do we send a message of "fuck this" and go with a new guy, somebody who hasn't been so thoroughly compromised?

I would be happy with Dean or Edwards because they are essentially outsiders and neo-phytes (the same does not go for Clark because I just don't trust him...sorry). However, I will not vote for Kerry. Yeah, he is socially liberal and he won't try to bankrupt the government, but when it comes to the agenda of global domination he will continue right along Bush's path.

[vi5]

23. So let me see if I have this right.

1.Socially Liberal
2.Won't try to bankrupt the government
3.Apparently pro-global domination

So if we agree on these 3 points what you are saying is that you'd rather enable someone who won't give you ANYTHING you want to get re-elected than to vote for and possibly elect someone who simply won't give you EVERYTHING that you want.

Interesting. Very pragmatic.

[worldgonekrazy]

32. You've almost got it right

The Democrats are the opposition party, so if we stand for pro-global domination (as I believe Kerry does) in opposition to the Republicans'...pro-global domination, well then we really haven't got a choice, do we?

I'd rather see Bush win and get four more years than obscure the true problems facing this country by bringing in a guy with a happier face to run the same foreign policy.

[library_max]

38. Global domination?

Go to Kerry's site. Listen to any of his speeches. He does NOT stand for global domination. The only thing you have to support this view is the IWR vote, which, despite the incessant whining about it, has been explained satisfactorily dozens of times.

[lancdem]

24. Then you have no right to complain

if we get four more years of Bush because you helped put him there. It amazes me how many liberals/progressives are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. Kerry gets higher scores for having a liberal voting record than Ted Kennedy. But, of course, that's not good enough because he's "corporate," or "establishment," whatever the hell that means. :eyes:

Sorry for the rant, but this is one area conservatives best us. They may not like what Bush has done, but they'll sure vote for him. No ideological purity test for them.

[worldgonekrazy]

33. So we should be like the conservatives and blindly follow whatever

fascist dictator puts a (D) in front of his name? No thanks.

[eyeswideopened]

22. Kerry will give the White House to George Bush

That is my opinion. Kerry has no arguments that can hold any water. He has supported Bush in everything that he has done as president or kept silent. He is not in a position to fight him on a political front. All Bush has to say is "You supported me".

This is what the White House wants and they will get it. We were silly to think that they would wait until November to take the White House. They will control who the democratic contender is and make sure it is someone who they can beat or who will roll over when told to.

I know this is harsh. I believe there are republicans who have switched parties to vote in the primaries to help make this happen. They will be republicans again come November. These are my sentiments even if I sound paranoid.

[Democrats unite]

25. With some of the tripe that Kerry has put out...

He will only get what he deserves & imo I hope he gets it 10 fold.

[GalleryGod]

31. Step outside,Tough Guy!?

Talk about drivel......Sorry,matey try to engage your brain today ,Primary Day in New Hampshire,and not your Vince McMahon Dark side:dunce:


Your Man in the S.U.B.-yucking it up with 9 PoliSci Sophs reading the DUers-gone-mad posts:argh:

:hangover: G.G.:smoke:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. Another "just shut up" loyalty oath crusade.

No thanks.

[HuckleB]

29. After the last week:

with Kerry's dirty tricks everywhere on top of his unwillingness to take the fight to Bush, it's very difficult to listen to any Kerry supporters talk about "uniting."

[RetroLounge]

34. Nope, sorry, the gloves are off until the end

They'll have to deal with it...

[PretzelWarrior]

35. I understand. I am hearing what you're saying.

I don't agree with the "gloves off" approach, but I see why politicans do it.

Here's what I say that challenges conventional wisdom. I believe the longer this drags out and the more states that have a say in the nominee, the more energized the Democratic party will be in November and the more diffuse the attacks from Bushco will have to be. I don't believe the money issue is something we need to worry about. We need to just work hard for our candidates. Hope for a spirited debate especially amongst the top 4, and then watch as the record numbers show up and become personally invested in the process.

Then we can just outvote the Repukes. We will keep on voting and voting and they will wonder where we're all coming from.

More than all else, go out and vote and encourage at least one new person to vote.

[PretzelWarrior]

36. kick

we need to stop bickering and start fighting.

fight the real nemesis. We all agree Bush is an evil corporatist who would gladly watch thousands die in a fireball if it meant the difference between his holding power or not.