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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 09:34 PM
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More scandal involving Diebold in Ohio (traitor Dem alert)
Edited on Sat Aug-20-05 09:42 PM by Joanne98
Apparently a Democrat tried to bribe another Democrat while lobbying for Diebold machines. I swear Ohio is a HUGE mess!

The chair of the Athens County Democratic Party and a lobbyist who once worked indirectly for Diebold Election Systems are giving two very different versions of a meeting they had in October 2003. The meeting between party chair Susan Gwinn and long-time state Democratic Party figure William H. Chavanne provided the lead paragraphs for a story that ran on the front page of The Columbus Dispatch Sunday. The story detailed reports from various county elections boards around the state that Diebold representatives used pressure tactics and offers of money to try to induce the boards to choose Diebold to provide their new legally mandated voting systems. The state has gotten $116 million in funding to replace punch-card voting systems, making it a lucrative market to win these contracts.”

“Gwinn said Chavanne offered to make a $1,000 contribution, first to the Athens County Democratic Party, then to a party “operating fund” that would not have been legally required to identify contributors, and then finally to Gwinn herself.”

“I simply have no idea why she said what she said. It simply is not true,” Chavanne maintained Tuesday. “All I did was, after we were done talking about Diebold, I offered to help the Democratic Party, and basically she said she didn’t want my help.”

“Gwinn said that after she turned down the offer of a check for the party, at some point Chavanne suggested he could make the check out to Gwinn to use as she saw fit. Didn’t happen, Chavanne insisted.”

“Since the meeting with Chavanne, the Athens County Board of Elections has voted to go with an optical-scan system, not manufactured by Diebold. At the time of the meeting, however, it appeared the board was ready to buy Diebold electronic touch-screen machines. Its two Republican members were in favor of Diebold, as was one Democrat, with Gwinn the lone holdout.”

“I really, quite frankly, don’t know,” Gwinn said. “What happened is just what I said (in the Dispatch story). The thing of it is, he already had three votes. And if anybody knew me, they would probably know there was no way they would ever get me to change my vote.”

“She said she agreed to meet with Chavanne “just to be courteous.” After talking about the Diebold machines, she said, Chavanne asked about the prospects for Democrats in local elections, and she told him the party faced some challenging races. “I said, ‘Man, it’s going to be tough,’” she recalled.”

“At that point, according to Gwinn, Chavanne “said something to the effect that ‘That’s one of the reasons I came down,’” i.e. to help out the Democratic candidates.”

“After Gwinn refused Chavanne’s offer of a “personal contribution” to the party, believing it inappropriate, she said, Chavanne made the suggestion about giving cash to the party’s “operating fund.” “I said, ‘We don’t have such a thing, I don’t think it’s legal, and I can’t accept such a contribution,’” she claimed. It was then, she alleged, that Chavanne suggested making the check out to Gwinn.”

“He said, ‘I could just write a check out to you, personally,’ and I said, ‘Absolutely not,’” she contended.”

“In working on behalf of Diebold, he said, he was not directly employed by the North Canton company, but had been hired by a firm contracting with it. He said he was not even involved in selling Diebold’s machines, but had been asked merely to reassure nervous Democrats that the machines wouldn’t deliver the vote to the GOP by some computerized hanky-panky.”

“Concerns on this score were raised by reports that the machines’ vote tallies could be tampered with via the Internet, and perhaps even more so by comments from a top Diebold official who promised to “deliver Ohio” for the Bush presidential campaign.”

“The combination of those two (reports) created among many Democrats a very serious feeling that we were trying to sell machines that, no matter how we voted in Ohio, Bush was going to win,” he recalled. His job was to dispel this notion, which he said was baseless.”

“Can you take a Diebold machine, go home, or go to your laboratory, and alter it? I’m sure you can,” he said. “But who in the world is going to let you do that?”

http://www.ohiohonestelections.org/
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 09:38 PM
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1. Kick
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 09:42 PM
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2. Kick!
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 09:52 PM
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3. This is obviously contentious...
... and comes down to one's word against the word of another. But, what can be determined about this, without question--in conjunction with the news that Joe Edwards is now pimping for Diebold--is that Diebold is definitely trying to buy respectability, through lobbying efforts, among the very people who hold the company in lowest esteem.

People like the Diebold execs always think that money solves every problem. I hope they're wrong, in this regard.






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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 09:55 PM
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4. Is there no one left who isn't for sale? Who is Joe Edwards BTW?
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:09 PM
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5. Sorry, I misspoke... not Joe Edward...
... Joe Andrew. He was DNC chairman from 1999-2001.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:28 PM
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6. Oh yeah! I heard that. Disgusting.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:43 AM
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9. Joe Andrew is from Indiana and very close to Evan Bayh
fyi

So what is up with Joe Andrew and Diebold?? Please pm me with the info cause I might not make it back to this thread to check.

I do know that when Andrew left politics he was actually saying publicly that he needed to make some money.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:47 AM
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10. He's now a lobbyist for Diebold...
... just search for his name. There were several threads today on the story.

Cheers.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:52 AM
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12. Holy Shiite
Stunned, I tell ya. Stunned. Well maybe not.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 02:46 AM
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14. Diebold hires top Dem for PR blitz (former DNC chair)
Diebold hires top Dem for PR blitz (former DNC chair)
With a phone call and a retainer, Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell has launched former Democratic National Committee chairman Joe Andrew on a 50-state ambassadorship for electronic voting.
O'Dell said he ``wanted to reframe some of the issues,'' Andrew said.
snip----
In three years in California, Diebold voting devices have awarded thousands of votes to the wrong candidates and broken down in two large counties during a presidential primary. Two successive state election chiefs, a Democrat and a Republican, both have rejected the TSx.
snip----
full story
http://www.insidebayarea.com/localnews/ci_2958901

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:40 PM
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7. The situation with the electronic voting machine companies is a cesspit
and some Dems and election officials are wallowing in it. See these other threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x380340
Thread title: ACTION! Election officials for sale to the highest bidder. Speak out! (this thread is from June)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4408897
Thread title: Diebold hires top Dem for PR blitz (former DNC chair) (this thread is currently on the Greatest page

This whole industry is so rife with corruption, it reeks to heaven. And they are TRUSTED by the public with their secret codes and illegal "fixes" on election day.

The Dem leadership is working hard to AVOID confronting the problem of electronic election fraud. Which speaks for itself - but we can't let them get away with this.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:19 AM
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8. Agree.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:01 AM
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13. almost looks like the D in DLC now means Diebold
Borg. if u know what I mean.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:50 AM
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11. go home, or go to your laboratory, and alter it? Answers his own question
The machine doesn't have to be TAKEN anywhere. The tabulator CARD in any machine can contain an executable, be switched with another card, be hacked via wi-fi or the internet.

THIS GUY REALLY THINKS WE WERE BORN YESTERDAY,huh?

He probably WAS born yesterday, and is being USED by Diebold, with the aid of copious amounts of money, no doubt.
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Dynasty_At_Passes Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 02:52 AM
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15. WHAT THE HELL?
"‘That’s one of the reasons I came down,’” i.e. to help out the Democratic candidates.”


Yes of course right, a little under the table money.....And we will elect your guys, your DLC sellouts into office using our fraudulent machines!!!

:crazy: :crazy:
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:48 PM
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:51 PM
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 08:59 AM
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:10 PM
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:18 PM
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20. how did this not make it onto the Greatest page?
I mean, the statements in this article aren't exactly surprising, but still... yikes.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 11:12 PM
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magnetism Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:16 AM
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24. This can't help
the efforts in Ohio....
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