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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:21 AM
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Terrorism has a first name
It's S-A-U-D-I
Terrorism has a second name
It's A-R-A-B-ya

Oh, they terrorize across all lands
And when they do George Bush demands
To kiss the Saudi princes' lips
And hold their bloody killing hands

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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:42 AM
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1. Terrorism has a certain balance or "dialectic" -
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 12:42 AM by Coastie for Truth
it is the balance of the dialectic materialism.

Terrorism is, to a large extent, about the House of Saud in a deadly dialectic with a generation of angry and frustrated Arab young man, rightfully angry and frustrated at the exploitation of THEIR mineral birthright (oil) by THEIR rulers, the House of Saud (in the truest Czarist Romanov tradition) in league with the international oil companies.

The oil does not belong to the US or to the oil companies or to the House of Saud -- it is the birthright of the Saudi proletariat. And the Saudi proletariat is getting no real benefit from its exploitation. They are getting ripped off as surely as the Russian peasants.

If I saw MY rulers stealing MY wealth (MY oil in the ground) and giving me theocratic academies - while they (MY rulers) lived in a decadent opulence of bordellos and race horses and casinos and concubines surpassing the decadent opulence enjoyed by the crowned heads of Muscovy living in the Kremlin and the Hermitage - I would be madder then hades, too.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:47 AM
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2. Hey, I get what you're saying.
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 12:54 AM by evlbstrd
But why copy and paste the same post? And all of the red yelling. Not necessary.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:58 AM
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3. Yelling is good! Yeaaaargggghhh!!!
What can I say - I'm a Dean guy.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:00 AM
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4. Fine, but don't yell at us.
Yell at someone that deserves it.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:36 PM
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10. I don't think he's yelling *at* us -
I think he's just yelling. Catharsis.

And, while I do think wealthy, fat cat, abusive Saudi leaders are a big part of the terrorism problem. I would not say that they are the biggest factor.

The terrorism is being directed at the US and Europe - not at the Saudi leaders.


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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:05 AM
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6. Would you consider LABOR a natural resource?
Our Corporate Emperors ARE living in opulence beyond what you describe.
So are their puppets in DC.

Are you PISSED yet?
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:43 AM
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8. Actually, Terrorism serves the purposes of governements...
more so than the people. Take 9/11, regardless of who you believe perpetrated the terrorist event, the result was the empowering the Bush Regime. The result was two wars that seemed to mesh quite well with the Neo-conservative agenda. The people who suffer from 9/11 are the American people to some small degree but the Muslim communities have been harmed to a much greater degree.

In the terrorist event at the Russian Schoolhouse, the result was Putin gaining more power over his people and allowing for an all out campaign in , what was it, Georgia, Chechnya? I can't recall. Look at the Israel/Palestinian conflict. The result of the bombings is that Israel has reason to maintain a strong defensive posture in a highly coveted region. To suggest that these terrorists serve an ideology born from injustice ignores the reality of the "who benefits" factor or as I like to call it the "he who smelt it, dealt it" theory. Recently in Lebanon, the ex-Prime Minister Hariri was assassinated by Syria. That's the implication, however, there is no evidence or logic that suggests this is even realistic. To believe that an ideology would force a group of people to work in opposition to their own best interests defies reason.

It is in the best interests of the Iraqi terrorists to utilize suicide bombers to destabilize Iraq and force out the American troops through indirect attrition and civil war. It is not in the Saudi Sand Farmers best interest to blow up the U.S.S. Cole and force their own government to crack down on their own community. Terrorism is a tool of the state, it is a means by which the population of a country can be controlled through fear. Furthermore, it can be used not only against foreign governments, as in the case of the Soviet/Afghan conflict, it can be used against the State's own polulation as means of control as in the case of Hitler and the Reighstaag fire and, sad to say, some would argue Bush and 9/11. Because it is a tool, it can be utilized by any country for any purpose they choose. All it takes is the will to use it and the means to create it. If you watch a video of the collapse of the World Trade Center 7, I believe you may understand this concept a little better.

In your scenario where you would become angry if your government was stealing your wealth while they lived in decadent opulence; first, I'd say, "H-E-L-L-O!!!!!!" then I'd say that you would be just as helpless as you are now. You'd sit around and wonder why the rest of the world despises you for your government's actions, secular or not, and kills you for your beliefs and way of life. You'd never strap a bomb on your child and send him into a crowd of people. One reason is because it's your child and the other is that you'd know that act was wrong and ignorant. Try to imagine a scenario where suicide terrorists may not be willing or even aware of thier own nature. I suggest you go out and rent Arlington Road. Even if you've seen it before, watch it again and then take a look at the acts of terrorism around the world and ask yourself this question, "Who benefits?"
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:42 PM
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11. Please diagram your last sentence.
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:03 AM
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5. Warren
Warren Terrorism.


sorry, i couldnt resist.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:28 AM
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7. A good nom de plume for the author of the lyrics.
:)
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Freedomfried Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:29 AM
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9. Our government is running a "protection racket"
straight out of the Mafia handbook!

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:01 PM
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12. It sure seems that way, doesn't it?
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:02 PM
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13. My baloney has a first name
it's G-E-O-R-G-E

my baloney has a second name... (you get the rest)
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:17 PM
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14. Yep
That was the take-off.
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