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tosca_veritas Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:43 PM
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Website that carried al-Qaida claim has connections to Bush family
from London Guardian

The claim of responsibility for the London attacks was first posted on one of the dozens of Islamic websites that are routinely monitored by western intelligence services.

The statement, under the name of the Secret Organisation of the al-Qaida Jihad in Europe, said: "The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern and western quarters."

It was posted on an Arabic website, al-qal3ah.com, which is registered by Qalaah Qalaah in Abu Dhabi and hosted by a server in Houston, Texas.
But two Israeli groups devoted to exposing the network of jihadist sites claim that it is connected to the London-based Saudi dissident Saad al-Faqih. Mr Faqih, who is based in Willesden, north-west London, and runs the Movement for Islamic Reform in Arabia (Mira), was designated by the US treasury last December as a supporter of al-Qaida. The UK Treasury followed suit by freezing Mr Faqih's assets.

Speaking in December 2004 before the assets were frozen, Mr Faqih ridiculed any idea that "millions of dollars" would be frozen. "I have no assets in the US and all I have in the UK is a current account with a few hundred pounds."

The US claimed that Mr Faqih was an associate of Khaled al-Fawwaz, who was arrested in Britain on a US extradition warrant for his alleged involvement in the 1998 east African embassy bombings.

The US said that "extremists utilise a website controlled by al-Faqih and Mira on messageboards to post al-Qaida-related statements and images. While Mira has issued disclaimers warning users to not attribute postings on Mira message boards to al-Qaida, information available to the US and UK governments shows that the messages are intended to provide ideological and financial support to al-Qaida affiliated networks and potential recruits."

Mr Faqih has always vigorously denied being involved with terrorism. Yesterday he was indignant about being linked to the website.

"It does not belong to me at all," he told the Guardian. "It is a Zionist smear."

He had seen the message on Thursday morning and doubted its authenticity. "It was only there for a few minutes, and they misquoted the Qur'an." He also said the website - or more accurately a bulletin board - could be used by anyone.

The server in Houston has intriguing connections. Everyone's Internet was founded by brothers Robert and Roy Marsh in 1998 and by 2002 had an income of more than $30m (now about 17m).

Renowned for his charitable work, Roy Marsh counts among his friends President George Bush's former sister-in-law, Sharon Bush, and the president's navy secretary.

Everyone's Internet, which also hosts a number of pornographic sites, states: "We support the uncensored flow of information and ideas over the internet and do not actively monitor subscriber activity under normal circumstances."

However, the company has responded to requests to take down objectionable material and insists it cooperates with US law enforcement agencies

original here : http://prisonplanet.com/Pages/Jul05/090705website.html

guardian article here : http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0%2c1613...
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:54 PM
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1. and so the KOs refugees wash up on the shore
flotsam, meet jetsam
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:57 PM
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4. ROFL !
:rofl:
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tosca_veritas Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. what or who is KOs?
lol too funny, do you also believe Gannon was a legitimate 'journalist'??? LMAO

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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
15. It took me a moment
but then I got it. Hilarious.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:19 PM
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24. Hahaha
Good one. Don't you just love these PrisonPlanet stories...
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:55 PM
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2. Sure, you can call some of us conspiracy nuts, but the facts keep backing
up our musings. The real terrorists are not as far away as they would have us believe.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:05 PM
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6. This story does not even come close to rising to the level of evidence
It's guilt by association.

Look at it this way. Skinner supported John Kerry in the last election and has ties to a lot of people in the Democratic Party. Suppose some moonbat posts crap threatening some high ranking official on DU. Under the standard you are setting here for "evidence", the fact that some moonbat threatened a high ranking official on DU ties directly to John Kerry.

Get some REAL evidence and I'm willing to have a discussion. This sort of crap is nothing related to investigating ideas or producing evidence.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:11 PM
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8. Starting to get stinky though, isn't it?
When something bad happens now, instead of looking where some point, I sit calmly and ask "Who benefits?"

One evening, Havocdad had the MSM on and an owner of the former WTC was complaining that the place had never lived up to its economic potential and was going to be made into something else anyway...

Since truth is something we will rarely get, I will stick to my method of contemplating 'Who benefits?'. The same gang keeps popping up.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:16 PM
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10. What gang ?
There is absolutely no evidence that this ridiculous speculation is based on facts.

How does this tie into dimson?

Because he said/she said someone who thinks someone knows someone who used to golf with the guy who dry cleans an eleventy-fifth cousin of someone who knows the bush's?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 10:57 AM
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36. Then you have devolved to the level of "conspiracy theory"
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 11:14 AM by Walt Starr
Without evidence to back up such claims, it will remain in the realm of "conspiracy theory" and never get any play.

Think what you want, but before any credible reporting agency runs with it, there must be irrefutable evidence to support the claims.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:05 AM
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37. The Guardian is not reputable? Are you waiting for the NYT to carry it?
With the Bushes it's ALWAYS guilt by association because they invest great deals of money cleaning their trails. Always some Bush coinkydinky.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:13 AM
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38. Then Kerry is guilty of every whacko thing that gets posted on DU
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 11:15 AM by Walt Starr
Seriously, if you are devolving to that standard of "evidence", then Skinner, Elad, and EarlG should all be hauled off to prison.

Insinuating that the Guardian supports your claims is even further off base. They reported the facts. Stating that this is evidence of a conspiracy by Bush is nutball conspiracy theory.
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tosca_veritas Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:12 PM
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9. evidence?
i didn't know this was a legal forum for trial preparation! It's simply a NEWS piece--- make of it what you want!

Apparently you have NO clue what the BUSH clan is about and where their fingers are and have been! This is a HIGHLY criminal family - nothing is beyond or below them! realize this first!

I will not post anymore news here....i have other outlets for that.

keep your cable 'news' program turned on all day and please, be happy in your 'comfort zone'

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:18 PM
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11. And there it is.
The insulting accusation that anyone who doesn't believe in the tinfoil theory of the day is either drinking kool aid or is "in on it".

Give me a break, will ya ?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #11
39. Yep, ties it all up in a neat little package
and falls definitely into the category of nutball conspiracy theory.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 10:56 AM
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35. You made a claim in your original post
but the claim was not backed up by what you posted.

Post evidence or your claim has been adequately refuted.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:38 PM
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. You do realize you are linking to
a site that also has these articles:

***********************

More on Traditional Values

Morality Meltdown

by William F. Jasper

The culture war waged by Americas liberal elite has taken our society far down the road to perdition. But it is not too late to turn back.


from New American
************************

and

************************

MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Feminists joke about roasting babies

Trendy magazine's online political forum goes south on abortion

2003 WorldNetDaily.com
************************

don't you ?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:04 PM
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:20 PM
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25. The transcript is verbatim as per the BBC interview
Do you have a problem with the veracity of the British Broadcasting
Corporation?

The transcript is as follows.

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bom...
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:26 PM
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26. I have a problem with conspiracy nuts.
Websites like your Prison Planet are teeming with tinfoil termites.
Are you trying to tell me you didn't know that?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:45 PM
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27. I have a problem with argument by ridicule.
There are a lot of preening, ignorant bullshitters with little grasp of the evidence and no understanding of the criminalization of the state, who contentedly squeeze greasy farts in the faces of researchers and activists who know what time it is.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:05 AM
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29. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !
The only defense of the tinfoil soldier:

When all else fails, accuse the skeptics of conspiracy or unawareness of reality.

Is that the best you can do ?

:rofl:
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:59 PM
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28. Here this is who he is & this is what he said word for word


Peter Power
BA FIRM FCMI FEPS FBCI


Peter Power is Managing Director of Visor Consultants Limited based in Piccadilly, London. He has considerable front-line crisis experience and is, uniquely, a Fellow of the Emergency Planning Society, Fellow of the Chartered Management Institute, Fellow of the Business Continuity Institute, Fellow of the Institute of Risk Management and a member of the Guild of Freemen of the City of London.

Peter is very well known as an authoritative and entertaining presenter and writer, who speaks frequently on UK TV & Radio. He is the author of the present UK Govt. (DTI) advice booklet 'Preventing Chaos in a Crisis' and the new British Bankers Association / KPMG guide on Crisis Management. He is the Founding Chairman of the Survive Crisis Mgt. Special Interest Group, and is also engaged as a Special Advisor to a number of key organisations including the Canadian Centre for Emergency Preparedness, Disaster Management Forum (UK) and the Business Continuity (BC) Institute London Forum.

Peter has a senior Scotland Yard background which includes setting up the multi agency operational management structure at the Kings Cross fire, secondment to the Anti Terrorist Branch, deputy forward control coordinator at the Libyan People Bureau siege and leading the team behind the existing police street philosophy for dealing with terrorist bombs. He is also the primary author / promulgator of the present UK Police command methodology Gold, Silver & Bronze and a founder member of the UK judging panel for BC Awards.

Peter lectures world wide on all aspects of Crisis Management (CM) & BC. His name also features in the bibliography to the new BC guide - PAS 56 - and in many similar guidebooks. He also talks extensively on perception, the impact of terrorism and effective Media Handling and is a regular panellist and contributor to many UK magazines on CM, Disaster Recovery, Crisis Creative Media Handling and Leadership. He is also engaged as a Special Advisor to the editorial board of Continuity Professional Magazine in the USA. In addition he is listed in the UK Register of Expert Witnesses.

http://www.visorconsultants.com/teamvisor_peter-power.h...

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.

This is what I'm talking about. If you want to denigrate Alex Jones
that's your choice I take my info where I find it if it appears Legit
and in this case it does.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #28
30. I don't pay attention to ANYTHING from Prison Planet
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 12:41 AM by beam me up scottie
If you want to use them as a source don't be surprised when skeptics laugh.
Here's a few more reports :
********
Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson run through the evidence that the Reagan assassination attempt was an inside job run by the Bush family
********
Overwhelming evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Princess was ritually murdered by elite globalists.
********
The elite are nothing more than high powered peddlers of filth and debauchery, our society is losing all sense of morality and decency.
********
From Nixon to Clinton, Arnold to George W, all have been initiated into and are regular visitors to the Satanic hideout known as Bohemian Grove
********
Forced Drugging, DNA fingerprinting for all, genetic engineering, Gene ID cards, a DARPA cyborg servant race, its all here right NOW
********
The Tsunami: More Than a Natural Disaster?

Was the high death toll a result of incompetence, greed, deliberate weather warfare, a combination of all three or none? Listed below is the evidence. We leave the reader to make their own mind up.
********

Even The National Enquirer has bits and pieces of actual facts sprinkled throughout their reports.
Am I supposed to believe them too ?


edit sp
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:43 AM
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31. That is a pathetic response to my post

I could careless if Jones thinks people are living up his ass rent free if he is the first with the info and the info is legit then it really doesn't matter to me.

You are avoiding the issue.

The issue being

Peter Power and what he said to the BBC.

You are disregarding what was publicly stated on the BBC by this man because Alex Jones is first on the Web with the info.

LOL that's just myopic. IMO

Is the info legit that's the only fucking question that matters.


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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #31
32. Who cares what some guy said in an interview ?
Who is he ?

What does he know about the bombings ?

Is he in on the conspiracy ?

Does he have any knowledge of anyone who was involved ?

I do not see a link to a BBC report, do you have one ?

The tinfoil headquarters, Prison Planet only has excerpts from an interview with the guy.

What does any of this have to do with the bush family ?

What does any of that have to do with the op ?

Why did you post the story in this thread ?

There is no "issue".
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 03:19 AM
Response to Reply #30
33. Don't be so quick to dismiss the facts.
Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson run through the evidence that the Reagan assassination attempt was an inside job run by the Bush family

John Hinckley's family (like the Bin Ladens) were long time friends and associates of the Bush Criminal Empire. Neil Bush was scheduled to have dinner with the Hinckleys on March 31, 1981 and this dinner party was only cancelled because of the assassination attempt, and the obvious media attention (at the time) which would have been given to the family of the would-be assassin meeting with the family of the Vice President who would directly benefit from the killing.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 03:48 AM
Response to Reply #33
34. I don't dismiss facts.
I dismiss the conspiracy theorists that use them as "proof" when there is insufficient evidence to back up their claims.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. Like "drills" that were held in U.S. on 9/11, same day as attacks?
What are the odds of that, I wonder?
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #2
40. I will call you conspiracy nuts...
but seriously, keep up the good work, we need some levity around here.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:56 PM
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3. Oh, please.
:eyes:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:00 PM
Response to Original message
5. Good Goddess, that's like saying that because David Allen supported Kerry
some moonbat who spews garbage about exterminating Liberals on this site is connected to Kerry!

Come on, get some real evidence, not this kind of round about nutball crap.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:23 PM
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12. Try this one
Last night on CNN I heard them making a connection between the London
bombings and an Islamic terrorist website called alneda.com. I tried to
view the website but its been taken offline. I did find the following three
year old reference to alneda.com on CNN:

From: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/06/24/binladen... /

"These statements and others from al Qaeda have been appearing from time to
time on a Web site called www.alneda.com .

"In recent months, the site, which experts suspect is closely linked to al
Qaeda, also has posted manifestos signed "al Qaeda jihad" in which it says
bin Laden is alive and well and preparing future attacks against the United
States.

----------

Interesting "link" to al-Qaeda, as revealed by whois data for alneda.com:

----------



Registration Service Provided By: DIRECTI
Contact: +91.2256797500
Website: http://www.directi.com
Domain Name: ALNEDA.COM

Registrant:
SFP, Inc
Jon David (jondavid@4jon.com )
Po 312
Berlin
Maryland,21811
US
Tel. +011.4107237089


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/alqmaryland.html
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Alneda.com was
shut down in 2002.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. Yes, it says that
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. So what does that have to do with
the op ?

Are you just trying to illustrate the idiotic nature of the article ?

**I'm saying that the author's article is idiotic, not the op.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. There are a lot of stories
and the bombing...only two days ago!...is already overlaid with so many variations that no one will ever know what happened.

Even the police version has undergone massive revision I notice.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. Oh look !
The fiend unmasks !
Say buh-bye !
This is what happens when we follow their trail back to the inevitable source.

see post #21
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:14 PM
Response to Original message
23. self delete
Edited on Sat Jul-09-05 11:23 PM by beam me up scottie
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:06 PM
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41. Oh lordy. Prison Planet strikes again with its stupidity. eom
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:22 PM
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42. Locking
prisonplanet.com is not a reputable source.
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