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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 07:55 AM
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PBS Newshour: Mark Shields expects Rove to be indicted - (VIDEO)
July 8, 2005

Video - PBS Newshour: Mark Shields expects Rove to be indicted




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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 08:03 AM
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1. Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:13 AM
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2. Yes that's interesting
especially since Shields is not exactly a flaming liberal or the type to make wild eyed predictions.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:29 AM
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3. I don't think it will happen.
And I won't hold my breath waiting for his indictment.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:33 AM
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4. Hey, Mark ! Ask Woodward! Woody sez: "Nothin' here, Move Along"
Woodward basically sums it up by saying, "Much ado about nothing"
Misunderstanding about Novak's column:puke: Judge & Prosecutor?
"Out of control. Disgraceful." Thanks, Woody:argh:
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redstateblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 12:05 PM
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6. I didn't hear him say "Karl Rove will be indicted"
he danced all around it and believes that a crime was committed
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 02:39 PM
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7. Thanks for posting. David Brooks was sure spinning a yarn there
at the end, huh?

Hopefully, this week we'll see!
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 02:47 PM
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8. I Still Believe!
Edited on Sat Jul-09-05 02:48 PM by ClayZ
That The BAD GUYS LOSE!



:popcorn:
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 02:49 PM
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9. Many indictments comings. Two or more strong charges against Rove.
It's not that hard to figure out. The number of calls to reporters from sources, the ability of reporters to easily confirm information (good secondary sources), and the fact that there were at least two sources all point to Rove as the conspirator and to multiple indictments of administrative officials.

Reasoning:

There were at least 6 initial calls and 2 different callers, which means Rove likely coordinated it, conspired within it, etc., and was perhaps a primary source himself. It also means there will be more than one indictment of the administration's top officials. Read on.

Rational for the numbers of source-calls &c:

The situation strongly implies that there were at least 2 different primary sources (since Matt Cooper's specifically released him, but Judith Miller's apparently did not do the same for her) and reason maintains there were at least 6 initial calls (the 6 reporters contacted: Robert Novak, Cooper, Miller, and 3 others), and 3 follow-up calls (Novak, Miller, Cooper). This is the minimum.

How did it happen?

In order to make sure the story leaked properly, discrediting Wilson's Niger yellow-cake findings by implying he and his wife, Valerie Plame, had an agenda against the president from the beginning, a single person would most likely have coordinated the calling. (Of course he could have made calls as well.) He would make sure that neither of the 2 or more sources should call the other's initial contact (that would seem too eager, perhaps a dirty trick). In addition, 4-5 others, secondary sources, would have to know the story was true in order to confirm it, and they had to be encouraged to do so.

Who better to coordinate this activity than the master of such odious activities, Karl Rove? Perhaps Cheney (who would have felt responsibility in such a matter since it was the behest of his office that the CIA sent Wilson to Niger) used his clearance to discover this information and brought it to Rove at a meeting of the White House Iraq Group (see snippy's beautiful post in DU, link at bottom of this post). Then Rove would go into high gear, doing what he does best (I mean worst). He coordinated the callings, made sure there were the requisite secondary sources ready and willing to confirm (perhaps each having different details or a different slant).

Therefore, Rove may well be both a conspirator (a little RICO, anybody?), and the leaker of illegal information, AND we may have at least one other indictment handed down. Think of the possibilities! Rice, Cheney, Libby, Hughes (why the hell did she retire before?), Matalin, etc. Maybe even W. (But the more I think about it, I wonder how many real reporters wouldn't be suspicious of a call from Rove? He might be the primary source for the likes of Novak, but few others.)

But think about the above and then read snippy's lovely item backed up by a Washington Post article:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=142863&mesg_id=142952
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 03:36 PM
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10. Brooks did say something to the effect that if Rove is
responsible he would have to resign. I thought I would fall off my chair when I heard that!
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 04:58 PM
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11. Wilson and The Nation
Edited on Sat Jul-09-05 05:06 PM by Jack Rabbit
Joseph Wilson wrote an article for The Nation in March 2003, a few weeks after returning from his assignment in Niger and before he wrote his now-famous article for The New York Times. From the best I can tell, this is the only article Wilson has written for The Nation.

Is this what Brooks means by "This guy Wilson works for The Nation magazine"?
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 06:09 PM
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12. Indict! Indict! Indict!!
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:46 PM
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14. dzika
thank you ! I just love hearing people say those words.
hiley

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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:35 PM
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15. Look folks....this is different.
Edited on Sat Jul-09-05 11:36 PM by Singular73
This is not one of those stuffed animals and unicorns "I want to believe" DU events.

There is a special prosecutor at work on this. The man is dead serious. Serious as a heart attack.

Someone is going down on this, and it will be big.

Lets see how the cards fall.

And this is coming from someone that knew that the DSM would lead to nothing.
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 04:06 AM
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16. your wrong about DSM... it has started something..
it has lead to alot already.. and its just gettingstarted.. this case is years old and may just now get footing, the DSM also has a foothold and its support is growing. 7/23 are townhalls all across the country and another wave of Conyers hearings!

BE the MEDIA.. be bold, find a way to get the truth out!
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