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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:33 PM
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I'm not sure what I would do if Dean joined Fox news. I know if the
Democratic party kicks Dean out of the Chairmanship, I will no longer be a Democrat.

But on the other hand, if Dean went to work for Fox News, I'd quit Dean.



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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:36 PM
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1. But -- way, way, way long shot - what if he remained exactly who
he is and appeared nightly on Faux?

Not 'gonna happen, just asking a hypothetical question.

:kick:
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:41 PM
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5. I dislike Fox more than I love Dean. And comeing from me - that's a
mouthful.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:40 PM
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2. Dean may be a lot of things, but a sellout is not one of them.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:13 PM
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17. It wouldn't be a sellout to appear on Faux news.
It would be a sellout to change ones message to suit them.

That of course is something Clark or Dean would never do.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:40 PM
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3. They have been after Al Sharpton to get into the media side of it.
I'm sure the remuneration is huge. Now Westley Clarke.

They have to neutralize our leaders one by one.

I'm guessing that that weird article yesterday about "third wayers" and Joe Liebermann was definitely an attempt to move him to their side.

New York is certainly the next state Rove hopes to flip!
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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:41 PM
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4. About a week ago....
he said he considers Faux News a tool for the White House (not his exact words) so I'd say his working for them is about as likely as ice cubes in Hades.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:10 PM
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14. Exactly
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:43 PM
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6. I think we should see what Clark does before we condemn him.
This could go any number of ways.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:48 PM
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7. I PROMISE you I am not condemning Gen. Clark. If anything, I realize how
conflicted his supporter must feel. I guess that is why I am applying the same set of circumstances to Dean - trying to have empathy.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:50 PM
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8. I see that.
Not attacking you. :)
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:15 PM
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19. Understood, Can't Speak For Every Clark Supporter, But I Am In NO Way
conflicted. There's little difference between Fox and CNN. Except Fox has more viewers, all of whom are NOT Freepers.

Somebody has to speak up for the Democrats on TV and Clark isn't too chickenshit like the rest of them to do it.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:52 PM
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9. For God's sake...
... we get a Dem mouthpiece that is SECOND TO NONE on FOX and you don't like it?

There is nothing I can say that wouldn't get my post deleted. It boggles the mind.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:56 PM
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11. I can only state how I would feel bout Dean. Naturally, other people
will have another viewpoint.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:11 PM
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15. I think...
... Dean and Clark are the best hope the Dem party has. I cannot understand why anyone would object to either of them airing their views on FOX.

Sure, FOX sucks - but I don't think Dean or Clark is going to water down their message for FOX, if they did you might have a point.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:53 PM
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10. Hold on a minute -- poll, MSNBC 96% think * lied about going to war.
That's not a random sample, but it is GE/NeoconNBC and other than the DUers who bothered to go there, it's the MSNBC audience.

The Fox audience has plummeted from 1.2 million average to about .5 million. If Clark gets in there and does what he can do best, he will be doing incredible missionary work with the remainder of the crumbling Fox empire. He will show that we'll go anywhere to get our message across. Wait until he really smacks down Hannity, drills a new hole in that ugly head.

We need somebody there as often as possible, not a Susan "Ostritch" or Alan Colmes, or Greta Van Sustern. Those people rely on a paycheck. They'll never come through in a pinch or really rock the boat.

Clark can slam anybody he wants. Let them fire him! He'd love it.

Relax, let's watch how well he does. You won't be disappointed.

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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:07 PM
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12. Dean doesn't need to be on Faux news.
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 09:10 PM by Clarkie1
We've got Clark to do our work there!

Clark: "I'm not going to Condemn Durbin, Sean."

Democrats need to start defending other Democrats. That includes when Democrats are attacked on Faux news, and that's what Clark just did!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:08 PM
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13. Well, Clark Was Just On Hannity & Supported Durbin & Called For Gitmo
to open up for international inspection.

Hannity asked Clark if he'd condemn Durbin's statement & Clark swatted that right away like a pro.

That damned traitor!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:50 PM
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25. Wes will give FOX the truth and Karl Rove will think it's HELL.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:13 PM
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16. Hell, I am trying to figure out
what to do now that my main man has joined Fascist News Network. While I am all in favor of Clark making some bucks, staying out front, and all that, I am more than a little perturbed that he chose THIS avenue.

Maybe he can cause some serious disruption in the propaganda machine ... maybe he can cause Hannity to finally stroke out or drown in his own spittle. Still, this bugs the hell out of me.

:shrug:
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:14 PM
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18. Did you listen to Hannity and Colmes this evening with Clark on.
If you didn't, it's a shame because I am sure it would have completely settled any concerns you may have.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:39 PM
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23. Wish I had.
Even tho Hannity needs to be ball gagged.

See my comments to Sparkly.

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:15 PM
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20. I think it's bold and smart.
It's great exposure for Democratic viewpoints, from a voice they can't dismiss.

This is exactly the kind of thing Democrats need to do more, and do better, imho.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:37 PM
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22. Both you guys may be exactly right
But never underestimate the ability of these swine to screw over an honest man. The problem is that THEY are in control of the editing, the content, the timing, the microphone, and all that.

They are going to try to destroy this man. I'm sure he is aware of this. And while I know Clark is not the risk adverse type, at least where is own ass is concerned, this might be taking the courage under fire thing a little far for his purposes.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:18 PM
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21. "Join" Faux Snooze?
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 09:18 PM by zulchzulu
Would he be someone they refer to? That might be good.

Considering Faux Snooze's horrible ratings drop in the past months, they may be reconsidering their message. After all, Murdoch rules makng money over all.

I wouldn't bet on it, but maybe Faux Snooze may be going through a Chimpy Lame Duck Phase where they want to phase him out in time for "moderates" like Hagel, an old BBV founder...they want 2008 and if it means "shooting a few people in the head" to get better ratings, they will.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:42 PM
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24. What I am sure of...is that
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 09:46 PM by FrenchieCat
If Dean attacked the Republicans by publicly calling them names....and he was criticized by Republicans, the media and a lot of Democrats who would almost break into a run to distance themselves from Howard Dean,....by saying Howard Dean doesn't speak for me,

Wesley Clark would say....."I’m proud of Howard Dean. I’m proud of our party,.....I’m proud of the fact that we are Americans speaking out.”
http://theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=56196
http://www.raisingkaine.com/blog/?p=373

That is something I am sure that General Wes Clark would say.

Now, What would Howard Dean say about General Wes Clark speaking out on behalf of Democrats on Faux News?

Why don't you guess that.....and let me know.

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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:55 PM
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26. Dean would join FOX
right after he became a Republican. LOL

After what he said about Fox Sunday, and someone claiming to be Howard Dean said they were going to Fox, I'd be wondering about an imposter, or if they kidnapped his family or something. Dean may have to appear on FOX as Chairman, but hopefully he can choose surrogates to go most of the time.
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