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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 01:37 PM
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Putting the Downing St. Minutes in perspective - PNAC 101
George W. Bush constantly reminds the nation about the threat of terrorism that began with 911 but he leaves out a few important details that you should know.........

In June 1997, the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was born. Populated by influential Movers of industry and Shakers of public opinion, the PNAC is an organization united in the vision for a global U.S. empire - "Pax Americana" - through coercion and military domination. Their philosophy can be simply summarized:

  • There are countries to plunder and fortunes to be made. You have it, we want it. Do as we say or suffer the consequences.

  • The U.S. already has a powerful military but we plan to nurture and grow it until it's massive and we are indominable. Resistance is futile. We are.......


Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Steve Forbes, William J. Bennett, Frank Gaffney, and I. Lewis ("Scooter") Libby, signator's - among others - of the PNAC's "Statement of Principles".

"We need to...challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values."

"We need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future."

"It is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge."
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples...


JANUARY 1998 - The PNAC knew that he who owns the oil also owns the world so they sent a letter to President Clinton urging him to attack Iraq and remove Saddam Hussein from power since he put "a significant portion of the world's supply of oil at hazard". Clinton didn't grant them their wish and the PNAC was disheartened that they couldn't manipulate the military while outside of the White House power structure.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm


MARCH - APRIL 1999 - In an effort to capture and control the castle and all its warriors and weapons, the PNAC offered up members Steve Forbes, Dan Quayle and Gary Bauer to run as Republican candidates in the upcoming Presidential election.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/election/profile.htm


JUNE 1999 - Ever persistent and determined to maximize their potential for success in the Presidential campaign, the PNAC exercised their power of nepotism and member-Jeb Bush's brother George stepped up to the plate to join the race.


SPRING 2000 - The PNAC may have felt confident with their candidate's chances for winning the White House but they were absolutely smug over what they saw as a possible Fallback Plan...electronic voting machines with severe security flaws that included hidden backdoors, erasable audit trails and multiple vote totals with the potential to propel vote tampering to new heights through the magic of remote access.

How To Rig An Election In The United States
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

Can the votes be changed?
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/access-diebold.htm

Bettter yet, Chuck Hagel - a fellow Republican loyalist - owned the ES&S voting machine company that counted 60% of all U.S. votes. He had already won one election and was part of the U.S. Senate power team in Washington.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm

Assured that the White House would soon be theirs, the PNAC debuted their 76-page blueprint to achieve world domination. "Rebuilding America's Defenses" became the PNAC's manifesto, detailing the ideal level of military power to specifically eliminate the hostile regimes of Iraq, Iran, Syria and North Korea and it endorsed pre-emptive strikes against them, tradition be damned. Iraq was given star billing as Control Central for their Mideast base of operations.

At present the United States faces no global rival. Americas grand strategy should aim to preserve and extend this advantageous position as far into the future as possible."

"American landpower is the essential link in the chain that translates U.S. military supremacy into American geopolitical preeminence.

"We cannot allow North Korea, Iran, Iraq or similar states to undermine American leadership."

"While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

What is particularly foreboding and chilling in view of events to later unfold, is this statement bemoaning the lengthy process of rebuilding the existing U.S. military according to the heightened standards and specifications the PNAC aspired to.

...the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."
http://cryptome.org/rad.htm


NOVEMBER 2000 - Saddam may have sensed an ill wind in the air when he made the first strike, turned his back on the U.S. Dollar and accepted only Euros as payment for his oil. This had the potential of seriously destabilizing the U.S. economy and the PNAC considered this an hostile act of aggression towards their personal and business interests. The heat was on for them to make their first move.

http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2000/11/0111200016084...


DECEMBER 2000 - In a highly contentious Presidential vote battle on the home turf of PNAC-Jeb Bush, the Supreme Court decided that George Bush was the new President.

Bush now had the green light to seamlessly merge members of the PNAC into his Administration with no one the wiser. PNAC members elevated to the Bush hierarchy include, among others:

  • Donald Rumsfeld - Secretary of Defense

  • Paul Wolfowitz - Deputy Secretary of Defense

  • Elliott Abrams - Member of the National Security Council

  • John Bolton - Undersecretary for Arms Control and InternationalSecurity

  • Richard Perle - Chairman of the advisory Defense Policy Board

  • Richard Armitage - Deputy Secretary of State

  • John Bolton - Undersecretary of State for Disarmament

  • Zalmay Khalilzad - White House liaison to the Iraqi opposition


An Honorable Mention was awarded to Condoleezza Rice - National Security Advisor - who is a former oil-company consultant having been on the board of directors of Chevron as its main expert on Kazakhstan.

The PNAC agenda had now passed "Go". The most powerful military machine in the world stood at their ready and Saddam was in the crosshair.

Wasting no time, Cheney secretly assembled an advisory panel of oil and gas executives from Enron, Dynergy, Shell Oil, Chevron/Texaco and British Petroleum under the direction of James Baker (former Secretary of State under George Bush Sr.) to help shape our national energy policy and justify the PNAC's anticipated war with Iraq.

Contributing substantially to the task force discussions and recommendations was a shadowy group of unidentified observers who still remain unknown. Sheikh Saud Al Nasser Al Sabah, the former Kuwaiti oil minister, also made a contribution to the group's final report which was funded through Khalid Al-Turki (a Saudi Arabian oil and gas enterprise) and the Arthur Ross Foundation (a non-profit organization that - on the surface - appears to be a supporter of the Arts.)

http://www.yuricareport.com/PoliticalAnalysis/FraudinWh...

MARCH 2001 - Cheney closely guarded the details surrounding his energy task force but documents released through the Freedom of Information Act reveal a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.c_.shtml

As one internet poster pointed out:

"The Iraq map is not a map, it's a plan

"There are several areas marked 'earmarked for production sharing' (look at the map
legend), which means privatized oil fields. Iraq did not have privatized oil fields and
production sharing agreements before the US took it over.

"There are also parcels marked on the Iraq oil field and exploration map (numbered
'Block 1' through '9'). Iraq did not have an active, privatized oil exploration program
going on before it was conquered by the US.

"If you read the footnotes and entire contents of the other documents, there is a heavy
emphasis on business concerns, such as contracts and vendors over items one might
think would be more important in a government discussion, such as capacity, long term
reserves, etc...

"One footnote (in UAEOilProj.pdf) even contains investment advice for the participants
at the meeting, suggesting opportunities in downstream projects, such as power
desalination and pipeline projects.

"These are not 'just maps'. Read them."

It can be argued that the spoils of war were being doled out two years before Iraq once again became a household word. Perhaps this explains why Cheney worked so hard and so long to keep this information suppressed until Iraq was under U.S. military control...by then it would be too late for the public to object to the invasion.

Iraq, circa March 2001, painted a completely different picture than the Evil Empire the Bush Administrations tried to portray in their determined rush to war.

"Iraq was one of the more progressive Islamic countries in the region. It provided full
rights for women and public education for its citizens who enjoyed a decent standard
of living."

"Despite the years of bombings and the even greater toll on human life taken by the
sanctions, visitors to Baghdad don't see a city in ruins. Much of the wreckage has
been cleared away, much has been repaired.

"In our hotel, there's running water throughout the day, hot water in the morning.
Various streets in Baghdad are lined with little stores, surprisingly well-stocked with
household appliances, hardware goods, furniture, and clothes (much of which has a
second-hand look).

"We see no derelicts or homeless people on the streets, no prostitutes or ragged
bands of abandoned children, though there are occasional youngsters eager to
shine shoes or solicit spare change. But even they seem to be well-fed and decently
clothed. ......large swaths of the city used to be shrouded in complete darkness;
today, there are lights just about everywhere

"People used to feel hopelessly isolated and now there seems to be more hope and
better morale

Sadly though, "more and more children are turning up with leukemia" (a result of
the tons of depleted uranium the U.S. military used and left behind after Gulf War I.)

"The Iraqi leadership could turn US policy completely around by uttering just two
magic words: "free market." All they have to do is invite the International Monetary
Fund and World Bank into Iraq, eliminate free education and free medical care,
abolish the minimal food ration that goes to every Iraqi, abolish the housing
transportation subsidies, and hand over the country's oil industry to the corporate
cartels. To lift the sanctions, Iraq must surrender to the tender mercies of the
free-market paradise....

"Until then, Iraq will continue to be designated a "rogue nation" by those policy
makers in Washington who themselves are the meanest profit-driven, power-mongering
rogues on earth."
http://www.towardfreedom.com/2001/mar01/iraq.htm

The issue of trade sanctions against Iraq put the Bush Administration in a bind - the sanctions had been designed to punish Saddam for not conceding to U.S. demands but it ended up handicapping U.S. corporations and undermining the PNAC's drive for U.S. economic supremacy. The Bush Administration was on a tight four year schedule to oust Saddam and launch the PNAC's Grand Plan for World Domination but they still didn't have a viable script to sell to the public. Yet.

"It is important to shape circumstances...... ." - PNAC Statement of Principles

In May 2001 the U.S. State Department met with Iran, German and Italian officials to discuss Afghanistan. It was decided that the ruling Taliban would be toppled and a "broad-based government" would control the country so a gas pipeline could be built there.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/7969.pdf .
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm

Even as plans were being made to remove the Taliban rulers from power, Colin Powell announced a $43 million "gift" to Afghanistan.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-09170...
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html

Meanwhile, the U.S. Embassy in the UAE received a call that Bin Laden supporters were in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives. It was rumored that Bin Laden was interested in hijacking U.S. aircraft.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf

In June 2001 the decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nations air defense was changed. NORADs military commanders could no longer issue the command to launch fighter jets because approval had to be sought from the civilian Defense Secretary and PNAC-member, Donald Rumsfeld.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing7/for_the...


In July 2001, the private plot formulated in May for toppling the Taliban was divulged during the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Immediately after the conference, American, Russian, German and Pakistani officials secretly met in Berlin to finalize the strategy for military strikes against the Taliban, scheduled to begin before mid-October 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,55...
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm


In September 2001 the "catastrophic and catalyzing" modern-day Pearl Harbor envisioned years earlier by the PNAC came to pass when the WTC and Pentagon were attacked as Rumsfeld sat passive and unresponsive. The finger of blame was pointed at Osama bin Laden, a former CIA operative with ties to Afghanistan. Suddenly, the U.S. "gift" of $43 million to the Taliban in May was cast in a new light. Coincidentally, Pakistan had participated in the plan to attack Afghanistan and the chief of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence (ISI) agency was later linked to a 911 hijacker after wiring him $100,00 just days before the WTC fell. Pakistan's ISI also had a long-standing working relationship with the CIA.

http://cryptome.org/rad.htm
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=8830
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1266317,...

The PNAC had scored a home run with the bases loaded with the 911 event: shock, horror and fear gripped the nation, the war on "terrorism" had been established in no uncertain terms, attacking Afghanistan with public approval was a foregone conclusion and the stage was set for building a public case against Saddam.

Not one to let a good attack go to waste, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld sprung into action.

  • He told his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq, even though Saddam wasn't linked to the attacks.

  • PNAC-James Woolsey, former CIA director, was dispatched to London to look for and 'firm up' evidence of Iraqi involvement in the 911 attacks.

  • PNAC-member and Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz was authorized to create the Office of Special Plans.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/m...


"It is important to shape circumstances..........."- PNAC Statement of Principles

The Office of Special Plans (OSP) was a secret group of analysts and policy advisors with no status in the intelligence community. Nevertheless they reported directly to the White House and National Security office with cherry-picked intelligence from questionable sources to support the case for invading Iraq. The OSP circumvented formal, well-established oversight procedures, ignored intelligence that didn't further their agenda, expanded the intelligence on weapons beyond what was justified and over-emphasized the national security risk. They became more influential than the C.I.A. or the Defense Intelligence Agency who didn't even know the ultra-secret OSP existed for at least a year.

Because they were based in the Pentagon, it was assumed that the OSP was an intelligence-gathering agency that was second-guessing the C.I.A. but in actuality it was the White House Military Marketing Machine charged with the task of writing the PNAC's "Get Saddam" sales pitch for the public. Shading and bending reality to suit their own purpose, it wasn't important for the OSP's stories about Saddam to be factual, only that the average American believed them to be - in true Hollywood fashion.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact

While the nation was stripped to the emotional bone and painfully vulnerable, the White House capitalized on the opportunity to reshape public perceptions and responses to conform with the PNAC's new American agenda. Rather than buoy the "can do" American spirit with optimism and hope for the future as Presidents before him had done in times of crisis, Bush spoke with an alarmist and pessimistic tone that served to perpetuate the high anxiety, excitability and fear in the populace.

To hear him speak, the world was a dark, evil and dangerous place....terrorism was here to stay....it would be a long struggle....America was helpless without the military might of the Government to keep the nation safe. The intent was to create a psychologically broken, weary and docile populace that would be easier to lead into war.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/130534_focusecond...

Fear became the Administration's strategic tactic for reprogramming the public into accepting the PNAC's militaristic designs. Still shell-shocked and exhausted from the enormity of the WTC and Pentagon tragedies, the public's panic shifted into frenzied over-drive when anthrax-laced envelopes arrived in government and media offices, killing five people. A perpetrator was never identified but the investigation eventually centered around the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, one of the nation's main anthrax research centers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126244,00.html

Using classic "operant learning" techniques from the realm of consumer psychology, the public was purposely kept on High Alert and continually "shaped" with ominous sound bites on the nightly news and "Level Orange Terror Alerts" at regularly scheduled but discrete intervals.

http://www.consumerpsychologist.com/#Perception


In October 2001, with flags waving, crowds cheering, and anthems playing, the "War On Terror" and the hunt for Osama began when Afghanistan was attacked right on schedule of July's secret meeting

Immediately afterwards the PNAC and White House collaboration of "GET SADDAM" played relentlessly on televisions and in newspapers across the nation and the World as the "War on Terror" waged on and the litany of lies began.


The only terrorists we have to fear are those that occupy the White House.




Pass it on

This has been a presentation of The Whispering Campaign - an opportunity to become ACTIVELY involved in educating the American public without drawing attention to yourself. This is a game of Political "Gossip" where the story of our Government's deception and betrayal gets passed from one villager to another. Anyone can play. The rules are simple: make ten copies of this timeline and leave it in a public place where someone else will find it and read it. Ideal locations for maximum exposure include book stores, copy shops, libraries and train stations. Buses, taxis, laundromats, and check-out lines at the grocery store. Hair salons, rest rooms, gas stations and convenience stores. Anywhere you happen to be will work just fine. The American public deserves to know the TRUTH!

On-line version of this document with clickable links:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/PN...
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 01:39 PM
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1. Please do not engage in a MIHOP discussion
or this will get buried in the 911 forum.

Thanks
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 01:43 PM
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2. Isn't that where your train of thought leads?
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 01:48 PM by BlueEyedSon
I mean, seriously, could "fixed" intelligence alone have kicked the PNAC plan into action?

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor."

from http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDef...
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 01:54 PM
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5. The purpose of this thread is to introduce PNAC to as many as possible

While the circumstantial evidence can lead to a MIHOP conclusion, discussing the possibilities here will get this moved and defeat the intended educational purpose. There's a whole layer of deception surrounding the Downing St. Minutes that people deserve to know about
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:01 PM
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6. BTW, your post is excellent work, thank you. nt
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 01:51 PM
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3. Thank you for the compilation
This is what Conyers and others need to do....tie the pieces together

A couple of things to add to your compilation that I remember:

1) The New Yorker article that stated that the energy task force suggested that the national security council look into melding two different policy areas together: DEALING WITH ROGUE STATES and THE CAPTURE OF NEW OIL AND GAS FIELDS. This was part of ONeill's book too. What more of a hint could we get?

2) Statements from Rice and Powell pre-9/11 essentially saying that Hussein was effectively controlled and was not a threat. This is important.

3) O'Neill and Clarke book quotes that indicate Iraq was on administration minds from day 1.

Thanks again
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:04 PM
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7. FWIW -

When the Bolton hearings first started, I sent the following letter to Voinovich and all the Dems on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee:

Dear Senator:

On January 26, 1998, John Bolton signed a letter to President Clinton issued by the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) urging an attack on Iraq to remove Saddam Hussein from power. Other signators to the PNAC letter include Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, Richard Armitage, and Zalmay Khalilzad, who were all elevated into the Bush Administration hierarchy immediately after the 2000 Election.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Mr. Bolton has already battled allegations of exaggerating intelligence on Cuba's alleged biological weapons program but his role in helping to create the "faulty intelligence" leading to the Iraq war should also be closely scrutinized considering his earlier participation in promoting the PNAC's agenda towards the Middle East.

I encourage you to read "PNAC 101".for a broader overview to their inner workings and a clearer understanding of the danger associated with appointing Mr. Bolton :as Ambassador to the U.N.

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php?ti...

Thank you for your time and consideration.
==============================

If any of their staff read the PNAC link and passed it on, our Congresscritters KNOW! I've oftened wondered if Voinovich was publically reduced to tears because he came to realize just how evil and dangerous the Bush" cabal truly is.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:37 PM
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15. Good stuff!
:kick:
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:18 PM
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11. Yes, and I say ...
Send it to Conyers, as well as to each of the (as I know of) 94 Dems who signed his request. Send it to Kerry too.

Let them KNOW you KNOW!

EN MASSE


:think:
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:45 PM
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17. You must be psychic!
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 02:45 PM by LunaC

I JUST sent this info to Conyers since he's leading the fight but time constraints prevent me from contacting all 94 Dem signators to his letter. I trust he'll pass along the info if he finds it of merit.

In the alternative, I certainly wouldn't object if other DUers started a mass mailing campaign.

Oh yeah, I also sent this info to Randi Rhodes last night. Let's build some fires under her, too!

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:38 PM
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27. A psychic I am not ;-) but I find you have amazing powers
to examine all that information methodically by separating into parts and studying their interrelations, and then by structuring it the way you did.

The only fait d'arme I ever did in my life was to save two children of four from drowning at once, some 25 years ago (I will never forget the sounds of their scared voices as they where begging me to save them from sinking into the deep waters).

That's what I did. :)


A warm thank you for your initiative, and this highly motivating post.

:thumbsup: & recommended for greatest page.



Keep it kicked for all evening DUers to see!



:kick:
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:20 PM
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30. It started with lots of puzzle pieces

I knew "Something" was there but I couldn't figure out exactly what until I put it all in chronological order. Then the Big Picture emerged and I was totally blown away with shock, disbelief, sadness and anger, Anger at the deviousness and betrayal, the selfishness and greed, the innocence destroyed. That's when I became rabidly obsessed with "spreading the word."

As time went on, new secrets were revealed and dropped into place, giving the whole thing more fine-tuned nuance. The original was 20-pages long and included lots more "dirt" (how the Baker Energy Report was morphed into the U.S. energy policy through a bait-and switch....how the U.S tried to vote down the U.N. classification of depleted uranium as a WMD.... how the U.S. opted out of participating in the International Criminal Court that prosecuted war crimes.....everything they did to "protect" themselves when their War started) but it was too intimidating for most people to slog through so it was cut down to its current incarnation.

I'm just grateful that events have brought this to the forefront and that people are finally paying serious attention without relegating it into "conspiracy theory" oblivion.

Thanks for your kind words! Now go put a gazillion copies in your neighbor's mailboxes....ha!

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 01:52 PM
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4. this is REQUIRED READING for everyone here, I think
kicked and nominated for those who haven't seen it yet.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:10 PM
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8. Thanks for compiling this information!
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MinneapolisMatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:14 PM
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9. This is an excellent post.
Thank you!

-Matt
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:18 PM
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10. Post of the day. n/t
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:21 PM
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12. One of the best summaries I have read
well done.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:34 PM
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13. kick
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deliusmax Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:36 PM
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14. Much of this is new for me.. this is simply bone-chilling.. n/t
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:36 PM
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21. Yes it is..... and welcome to DU!!!
:hi: Glad you're here.

I remember when I first read this stuff, it just curdled my brain. I had to set it down and only take it in small bites. It was just too much all at once.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:28 PM
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26. welcome to DU
trust me, it gets more interesting from here...
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 09:51 PM
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29. It's like you suddenly find yourself falling down the rabbit hole
I remember when I first read about some of this, I felt physically sick.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 12:17 AM
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32. welcome to DU
(psst. did you sign the letter?
pass it on. tell your friends.
here's the link)
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:38 PM
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16. Another great example of the power of DU and DUers. Very well done
Nominated.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:29 PM
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18. Self-serving kick for maximum exposure
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:47 PM
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19. kick nt
:kick:
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:26 PM
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20. kick nt
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:54 PM
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22. .
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:26 PM
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23. I asked my parents yesterday if they knew about PNAC
and they didn't. Most people don't. Hopefully this excellent post will help. Gonna email it to my parents, and others.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:27 PM
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25. Funny was talking to one of them grand for'ners
and of course he \ she knew of PNAC (der Spiegel) he coudl not believe informed Muricans did not know about it... he tried to ask about it to other folks, who were of cousre clueless... lets just say now he understands why Der Spiegel compared us to Nazi Germany (1930s) as early as 2002
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:18 PM
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24. Interesting compilation! (n/t)
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 09:45 PM
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28. kick
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:29 PM
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31. Excellent
Thank you. Bookmarked and saved to hard drive.

:kick:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 12:28 AM
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33. Two things that strike me the most about PNAC...
Edited on Sat Jun-04-05 12:29 AM by TwoSparkles
--They begged Clinton to go to war with Iraq. These scumbuckets have been shopping around the idea of an Iraq war since Clinton. They wanted to do this for a long time, and were waiting in the wings until the time was right.

--It's interesting (and frightening) to read the list of initial PNACers (and the ones who signed the letter to Clinton). So many of them are now in extremely, high-level positions within BushCo. These vultures have been circling for a long time now. Junior winning the election, guaranteed that they'd be placed in power positions.

It's telling that the same cast of characters who begged Clinton to go to war with Iraq--gained power in the Junior WH, and that's when the war happened.

These people were going to get their war, somehow.

Now--we live knowing that there is no WMD; and the DSM reveals that intelligence was fixed.

It's all just lying out there, in the open. Anyone who wants to read for 15 minutes--can learn about the Nazis that have infected our government.

You gotta wonder why....PNAC would operate in the open like that? Why do they have a Web site? Why do they even have an identifiable organization with public names? It's so easy to figure this stuff out if you read their public plan. I've often wondered why they operate in plain sight like that. Are they toying with us?
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:06 AM
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36. It's called "Hiding in Plain Sight..." Haven't you ever heard of that?
Wondering myself, as well. "If they are toying with us, why?"

Pure sick enjoyment of finally taking down the dreaded East/West Coast.
The South arises w/* & Co in charge of America and the World?

This is all so unbelieveable, yet it's right there and happening before our very eyes.

As a child I was often told that if I wanted to hide something, really hide something... "place it in plain-view... out in the open."
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 10:00 AM
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39. Good question, indeed.
I only hope many (well, a lot of) dedicated truth seekers have already made some huge (and "safe") back-ups (even on CDs & DVD-ROMs) of their entire BS site...

Ya never know when they might feel (can that bunch of "high class" gangsters ever even "feel" anything?) the "need" to pull the plug...

Methinks the "ripple effect" is about to get to them "swinging" sometimes soon...

:bounce:


P.S.: Just a constructive suggestion, IMHO, "Junior being sElected by Senior's Criminal Monarchy's "Loyal" judges (instead of "winning the election"), guaranteed that they'd be placed in power positions." would be the exact description of what really happened in 2000.

President Al Gore was Elected.

:hangover:
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 12:28 AM
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34. great post
but the last two links aren't working
the demopedia and the one in your signature line.

thanks for the time. i'm bookmarking this.

(psst. did you sign the letter?
pass it on. tell your friends.
here's the link)
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 12:37 AM
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35. Both links are the same
I don't know why Demopedia isn't working. I sent an email earlier today to Elad because the pages weren't printing properly so maybe the bugs are being worked on. Try again tomorrow and hopefully it will all be in working order.

And yes, I sure did sign the letter! I want to be on record for demanding the Truth!

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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:15 PM
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43. Alternate link for printing

Since Demopedia is still down, you can print the essay from this link:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2005051822334...

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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:09 AM
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37. Thank you. Will do for the weekend folks. Wow. Amazing...
"hiding in plain sight." Though not unheard of, seems strange. Less... someone willfully placed it in the forefront, in a public place.

The Whispering Campaign is now being heard. Can you speak a little louder though - to the other side somehow!?! We need help here.

Thanks for coming-out. Can anyone spell "DP-2..."
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 08:51 AM
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38. Bump for 31 recommends & counting. n/t
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 11:40 AM
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40. Just had a chance to read through this.
9 pages when copied to Word.

Wow! I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize it was THAT bad.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 12:58 PM
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41. Is everyone copying this stuff to their hard-drives! Burn-um for
safekeeping.

This info is chilling.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:10 PM
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42. What scares me most
Is whatever nefarious plot they have planned NEXT because we'll never see it coming and will only piece it together after the fact.

Not to be overly melodramatic, but to save the world these people MUST be stopped NOW! They have control of the WH, the Legislature, the Pentagon and the World Bank, they have the Judiciary and the U.N. in their sights, and they're playing dice with North Korea. Perilous times indeed!

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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:52 PM
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44. Nicely boiled down. So much to include..
So many desireable tidbits to include or disclude. Good job making it readable over being encyclopedic. Riveting.

One sentence ending seemed to jump, or I still do not understand it.
Using classic "operant learning" techniques from the realm of consumer psychology, the public was purposely kept on High Alert and continually "shaped" with ominous sound bites on the nightly news and "Level Orange Terror Alerts" at regularly scheduled but discrete intervals.
..perhaps ending cb: ..on the nightly news including regular and repetative "Level Orange Terror Alerts."

The hopefully intended audience seems to need to jump to FOX IS NOT FAIR AND BALANCED unecessarily, too soon, and without background. I don't want FOX news viewers to dismiss this article in their minds or by stopping reading. The use of discrete seems redundant, either that or its use still loses me.

Oh, it irks me how Powell held up a vile of anthrax attempting to connect anthrax attacks to Iraq, and that point doesn't get deftly included. So much to include. Again, good job.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 03:21 PM
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46. My favorite Powell faux pas

is when he embarrassingly tried to convince the U.N. Security Council of Saddam's deception by citing a UK dossier that was based on a ten-year-old plaguerized doctoral thesis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianpolitics/story/0,3605...


Yes, there is SO much more I could have included but keeping it somewhat short and sweet gets the message across without reducing the reader to uncontrollable fits of sobbing and severe depression. Consider this the "gentle" version.


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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 02:19 PM
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45. I beg to differ.
That's clearly PNAC 201.

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 04:18 PM
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47. kick
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:04 AM
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48. Re-kick!!
:kick:

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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:18 PM
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49. One last kick for the Sunday crowd
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 01:30 PM
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50. Excellent....and Many Thanks, Luna!
I think we might be getting close to a time in all this when more folks will be open to reading and understanding all this information.

At least I hope we are...
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 02:59 PM
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51. another kick
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 04:24 PM
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52. Thanks for the work.
PNAC is an open site but the Lame Stream Media has ignored it and continues to be complicit with the Bush Regime and this regime's various crimes.

The time line of the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan sure makes one suspect MIHOP yet I am still in the LIHOP view.

I hope more info jumps out behind the Downing Street Minutes. It is of course obvious to me that the Bush Regime lied to Congress, the UN and the World about Iraq. I feel that more direct proof is needed to make the case for Impeaching the entire Bush Regime. So far the circumstantial evidence is strong yet in order to force the Congress to get the Articles of Impeachment out of commitee, iron clad proof will be needed.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:23 PM
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53. Time for the Sunday Night Special kick n/t
:kick:
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:31 PM
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54. .
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splat@14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:39 PM
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55. Great post, ton of research, thx for your efforts!! n/t
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:50 PM
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56. I was waiting for Kerry to mention the PNAC at election time.....
and I waited......and I waited.....and I waited......and I waited.....and I waited......and I waited.....and I waited......and I waited.....
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:44 AM
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59. Yes! WHY didn't he fucking say ANYTHING about this cabal?!
Why didn't he name the players, the goals, the intent, and most curious, THE PREXTEXT!!!!

"A New Pearl Harbor"....


P.S.- What about the hijacking War Games on 9/11 Mr. Kerry?
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:59 PM
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61. I bet Dean or Kucinich would have.
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 01:00 PM by sellitman
Too bad either of them weren't our choice nationally. They would have kicked * butt on this subject.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 09:14 AM
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57. .
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:51 AM
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58. One More Request For DU: Send It To Conyers & Kerry...
If You Haven't Done So Yet.

And Never Give Up Hope.

:kick:
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:16 PM
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60. I tried sending it to Conyers "snitch" link
but lo and behold, it wasn't working.....hmmmmmm.

So I sent it via his regular email address and I hope it finds its way to him.

But if LOTS of us send it, someone will HAVE to pay attention, doncha' think?


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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 02:38 PM
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62. Yes, good idea. n/t
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 07:02 PM
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63. :-) Here it comes again: The Monday Night Special Kickup!
O8)
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:16 AM
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64. Everyone should know this. n/t
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:41 AM
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65. the data and the "motives" have been documented and cannot be
disputed.

The problem is that the people that benefit from these crimes are in "power" and the corporate media has abandoned their responsibilities ( because they clearly have limits of freedom).
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:04 AM
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66. This was posted 2 years ago...
At the time, I downloaded it, kept it on my Palm, and gave it to anyone who I thought would read it. The best case-against-Bush summaries I've ever seen.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:16 PM
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67. .
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