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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:46 AM
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Salon NAILS FreeRepublic: "I would have flushed it one page at a time"
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html

Newsweek retracts, but where are the facts?

So Newsweek has now officially "retracted" its report that U.S. sources had confirmed that U.S. investigators had confirmed that U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo Bay had flushed a copy of the Koran down the toilet. That should make the White House happy -- although Scott McClellan, who speaks the truth every day in every way, says that it's only a "good first step" -- but what about those of us in the reality-based community? We're still waiting for McClellan and the truth-before-all crowd for whom he works to answer two questions: Newsweek's sourcing problems aside, did U.S. interrogators in fact flush a Koran down the toilet? And is the deadly rioting in Afghanistan really the direct result of a short item in an American magazine?

On the first question, MSNBC's Keith Olerbermann makes the point as clearly as anyone: Given everything else that's happen at Guantanamo, at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, is it really possible that some interrogator hasn't tossed a Koran into a toilet? "Everybody in the prosecution of the so-called ‘war on terror’ has done something dumb, dating back to the President’s worst-possible-word-selection ("crusade") on Sept. 16, 2001," Olbermann writes. "So why wouldn’t some mid-level interrogator stuck in Cuba think it would be a good idea to desecrate a holy book?" Seriously, how could anyone think otherwise? Imagine the conversation: "Hmm, we can waterboard these guys. We can put collars around their necks and make them walk like dogs; we can make them wear panties and let them think we're smearing menstrual blood on their faces; we can force them to pretend to masturbate for the camera. But no, flushing the Koran, that's definitely off limits?"

And indeed, as the Newsweek story began trickle out, some voices on the right shouted loudly that flushing a Koran was exactly the right sort of idea. Under the heading "Dismay at US Koran 'desecration' (Have You Flushed A Qur'an Today?)," a gaggle of Freepers ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1398932/posts ) piled on with more ideas for desecration: "I would have flushed it one page at a time," one contributor suggested, "after using the pages thoroughly." Is the White House comfortable saying that this sort of sentiment never found its way into the mind of a U.S. interrogator -- despite the numerous reports that suggest that it did?

And what about the second question? Did the Newsweek report really cause the riots in Afghanistan? That's the conventional wisdom, peddled hard by McClellan and others in the Bush administration. In the Washington Post this morning, Howard Kurtz says at the top of his piece -- without attribution -- that the Newsweek story "sparked riots in Afghanistan and elsewhere." As the story began to bubble over yesterday, we did the same. But as the New York Times reports today, evidence of a cause-and-effect relationship is a little more tenuous than all that. Last week, Gen. Richard B. Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters that the senior U.S. commander in Afghanistan believed the protests in that country had resulted from developments there, not from a story in Newsweek. "He thought it was not at all tied to the article in the magazine," Myers said.

-- Tim Grieve

(08:40 EDT, May 17, 2005)
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:50 AM
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1. "Sure, we annally raped little boys, but flush a Koran? Please!"
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:51 AM
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2. WH announces: "Hey! We Love that Devil-owned Mooslim religion!"
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:59 AM
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3. Actually, I have more respect for the Freep
that posted this than those who are feigning
indignation over the incident. Though I do not
agree with the content, at least he is being
upfront and honest. That's more than we will
ever get from anyone in this administration.

I would bet that secretly they look at those
who died as "potential terrorists", who no
longer pose a threat.



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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:02 AM
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4. it wasn't flushed!! The prisoners have a "Bucket" of rancid piss and shit..
so the whole story was wrong and fabricated... and Bu$h was Reich..
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:11 AM
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5. Links to 11 stories discussing abuse (esp. of the Quran or Islam)
Edited on Tue May-17-05 09:12 AM by Roland99
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:16 AM
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7. Looks like Lucy's got a lot of 'splainin' to do...
...but I do think it's pretty convenient that McClellan and Rumsfeld (and I'm sure many more to follow) were able to climb on the back of their moral high horse and say that people died in Iraq because of NEWSWEEK.

Gee, with all of this Quran stuff going on, I hardly have time to think about seeing Tom DeLay put behind bars!

:grr:
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:15 AM
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6. And when do they get on the official hate group list?
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:18 AM
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8. Hey!
Edited on Tue May-17-05 09:19 AM by pk_du
..if this lying POS


tells us , that just because members of our Military have done this..


and this..



not to mention this...



or this..



or of course this..



..we would never stoop so low as to flush a copy of the Qur'an down the toilet!...then we should take his word for it, right?
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:20 AM
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9. I guess the "Bad Apples" defense was wearing thin
Yesterday on C-spam I recall some RWer railing against Newsweek and interspersed he used the term "raghead" - oh the irony.
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