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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:15 PM
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McClellan completely misses the point..."Presidents" NEED to be informed
Q Scott, yesterday the White House was on red alert, was evacuated. The First Lady and Nancy Reagan were taken to a secure location. The Vice President was evacuated from the grounds. The Capitol building was evacuated. The continuity of government plan was initiated. And yet, the President wasn't told of yesterday's events until after he finished his bike ride, about 36 minutes after the all-clear had been sent. Is he satisfied with the fact that he wasn't notified about this?

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes. I think you just brought up a very good point -- the protocols that were in place after September 11th were followed. The President was never considered to be in danger because he was at an off-site location. The President has a tremendous amount of trust in his Secret Service detail.

The Secret Service detail that was traveling with the President was being kept apprised of the situation as it was developing. They were in close contact with officials back here at the White House. And the President appreciates the job that they do.

Q The fact that the President wasn't in danger is one aspect of this. But he's also the Commander-in-Chief. There was a military operation underway. Other people were in contact with the White House. Shouldn't the Commander-in-Chief have been notified of what was going on?

MR. McCLELLAN: John, the protocols that we put in place after September 11th were being followed. They did not require presidential authority for this situation. I think you have to look at each situation and the circumstances surrounding the situation. And that's what officials here at the White House were doing. That's what officials were doing that were with the President at the off-site location, and this was a matter of minutes when all this was happening, when the alert level was going from yellow to orange to red, and then it went back down to yellow when the plane turned away.

The plane was -- as described yesterday -- lost and accidently in the restricted airspace around the Capital region. And we appreciate the job that was done by all those who worked to make sure that the protocols that were in place were followed. That was one of the President's priorities after September 11th, was making sure that we were prepared for a situation like this. And the fact is that the protocols were followed.

Q I take it that it's not the Secret Service's duty to inform the President of national security circumstances, that that would come from somebody here at the White House. Even on a personal level, did nobody here at the White House think that calling the President to say, by the way, your wife has been evacuated from the White House, we just want to let you know everything is okay.

MR. McCLELLAN: Actually, all the protocols were followed and people were -- officials that you point out were taken to secure locations or evacuated, in some cases. I think, again, you have to look at the circumstances surrounding the situation, and it depends on the situation and the circumstance. But the Secret Service detail that was with the President was being kept apprised throughout while the situation was developing. There is always a military aide that is right with the President. That military aide was in close contact with the Situation Room here at the White House, which is overseen by the National Security Council. And --

Q Nobody thought to say, by the way, this is going on, but it's all under control?

MR. McCLELLAN: And I think it depends on each situation and the circumstances surrounding the situation when you're making those decisions.

Q Scott.

MR. McCLELLAN: Go ahead, Kelly.

Q Thank you. Isn't there --

MR. McCLELLAN: And welcome.

Q Thank you, I appreciate that. Isn't there a bit of an appearance problem, notwithstanding the President's safety was not in question, protocols were followed, that today, looking at it, he was enjoying a bike ride, and that recreation time was not considered expendable to inform him of this. Isn't there just an appearance problem?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I mean, John mentioned 36 minutes after the all-clear. Remember, this was a matter of minutes when all this was happening. The all-clear was given at 12:14 p.m., and it had gone down to yellow a few minutes before that, as well. So again, you have to take into account the circumstances; you have to take into account where the President is. The President was never considered to be in danger. The protocols that we put in place after September 11th, I think, worked.

This plane was warned by flares and it turned and then was escorted to an airport in the area. And the pilots were questioned. It was determined that this was an accident, that they should not have been in the area and they did not realize where they were at the time.

Q Scott, I think there's a disconnect here --

MR. McCLELLAN: Let me keep going through here and then I'll come back to the -- I'll come back to your --

Q It's a follow-up.

MR. McCLELLAN: I know, I'll come back to you.

Q But has the President even indicated that even if everything was followed that he would prefer to be notified, that if the choice is: tell the Commander-in-Chief or let him continue to exercise, that he would prefer to be informed?

MR. McCLELLAN: Again, it depends on the situation and the circumstances. And you have to take all that into account, and I think that's what people were doing here at the White House, as well as those people that were with the President.

And let me just step back from this specific question because any time you have a situation like this, we will review the procedures and protocols that were followed. And if there are any steps that need to be made to make improvements, those steps will be made. But that's not pointing to anything specific at this point. The President appreciates the job that those that were with him did in the situation like this. They were constantly being kept apprised of the situation as it was developing.

Q Is he ever -- is he on any protocol to be informed at any point? Is there a protocol that involved when he's informed?

MR. McCLELLAN: Of course, and he has been in the past, Helen.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050512-2.html
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sickinohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:19 PM
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1. This pResident doesn't need to be informed
afterall, Uncle Dick and all the cronies are the ones running the show - not the chimpster.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:24 PM
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2. Yes, that's why I put "President" in quotes...
...but it would be nice if he would at least PRETEND that he's in charge, and that there other matters beyond HIS OWN SAFETY that need attention.

God, is it 2008 yet?

:grr:
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sickinohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:54 PM
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12. He doesn't even have to PRETEND that
he's in charge. Most of Amurika isn't even paying enough attention to correlate this with the idiot sitting and reading "My Pet Goat" for 7 minutes and doing nothing while we already had been attacked by two planes. I just don't understand why people in this country aren't completely outraged with any of these goons in office!!

:mad: :grr:
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:26 PM
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3. Is the "continuity of government plan" meant for Congress or
the president?

I can read this either way - if Congress is taken out, then we'll need to know who's going to take over in case. But if it's for the president, why was is "initiated" if the president was in no danger?
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:30 PM
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4. the protocols were followed
the protocols were followed
the protocols were followed
the protocols were followed
the protocols were followed


What a broken record this weasel is.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:31 PM
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5. I feel safer having that IDIOT out of the way.
Apparently, so does Washington DC.

I can hear everyone in the situation room now,"NOOOO! Don't call the dumbass!!! He'll just fuck everything up!!!!"

The Emergency White House Protocols:
Make sure bush* is NOT informed and doesn't have his finger on ANY of the buttons. Tell him ONLY after the emergency is OVER.
In fact, on 9-11, the powers that be sent him on a wild goose chase over 1/2 of North America to KEEP HIM out of the way!!!


If the chimperor had ANY balls OR intelligence, heads would ROLL over this. If I were president, I would be furious if I were not IMMEDIATELY informed. I would INSIST that my # was FIRST on everyones list.

This information is a PLAIN ADMISSION that bush* is NOT IN CHARGER of ANYTHING in Washington DC. He is just a dancing monkey for the people that are REALLY running the Country. The United States is being RULED by unelected powers behind the Media Display.

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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:33 PM
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7. "Dancing Monkey" -- that's GREAT!
After all, EVERYONE needs a nickname. Hmm, "DM" -- almost sounds like damn ...
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:04 PM
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17. I agree with you. I've been there before.
Sometimes it's better just to let the old man sit at the desk, if all he's going to do (if anything) is screw it all up.

I mean, what the hell is he going to do? A Quayle-like "let's pray"? "Get daddy"? "Get Bandar"?

How about "OMFG, let's all run to Mount Weather"?
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:31 PM
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6. Who is "John"? John Roberts? John King?
Whoever pressed Puffy McMoonface on that question is to be congratulated.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:36 PM
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8. I wish they would identify ALL reporters in these White House transcripts.
It adds a tremendous amount of perspective to a question when you know who asked it.

:toast:
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:45 PM
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9. It's made me a big fan of David Gregory
and John Roberts isn't usually too far behind him in asking the tough questions. Would have been nice to know when "Jeff Gannon" asked his famous softballs, too (although they were probably pretty obvious).
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:50 PM
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10. This is EMBARRASSING!!!!
1) The Administration INSISTS that the Emergency Protocols were followed!

2) The pResident, george bush* was NOT INFORMED until AFTER the emergency was OVER!

3) Therefore: The EMERGENCY PROTOCOLS are, Don't tell george* until AFTER!


Why won't the CorpoMedia ask the RIGHT QUESTION:
"Why is the NATIONAL Emergency Protocol to EXCLUDE george bush* from the loop until AFTER the emergency?"
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:56 PM
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13.  PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN



sent out of the buildings

what if the plane was going to spray chemical or biological weapons

what if they were going to release a small nuke

the people would be safer in the buildings
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:53 PM
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11. MR. McCLELLAN....do you have any idea what a total flaming....
...asshole you are? :banghead:
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:59 PM
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14. it sure seems more than clear..that W is not in charge...
so..........who is! Is it a group decision...is it one person who has the ultimate control? We can guess as to who that might be...but does anyone really know who controls this country?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 06:03 PM
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15. Well, * sat on his ass for 8 minutes on 9/11. What would he do now?
We've a coward for President.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 06:53 PM
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16. It wasn't just the 8 minutes!
After leaving the school, george bush* left a trail of scared yellow urine across 1/2 of North America in a mad, panicked dash to "Get out of Harm's Way!"

His behavior on 9-11 was so embarrassing that the White House had to FABRICATE a cover story to explain his panic. The White House released a report that Air Force One had been targeted by the terrorists. That report was a COMPLETE FABRICATION!!!!. No agency in the US Government delivered that report. The report ORIGINATED in the White House.

george bush* IS a coward who would rather hide until the emergency is over. He is so ignorant and incompetent that the Powers that REALLY make decisions in DC would prefer that he hide also.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 07:43 PM
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18. Reading how Scotty had to dance and dodge makes me wonder
Why would they release the info that the Chimp wasn't notified until the threat was over?

Answer: It might have looked worse if he WAS notified. On 9/11, Andy Card notified him immediately and look what happened. He froze, on camera, and he looked like an impotent fool. "My Pet Goat" entered the American lexicon as shorthand for a worthless, brainless figurehead who sat in a classroom reading a book while people were leaping to their deaths and more planes were being hijacked.

Scotty keeps mentioning how "new protocols" were put in place after 9/11, and how others were making decisions and handling the situation. This is important to Scotty because IT WAS DIRECTED BY THE POWERS THAT BE that there should NEVER be another "My Pet Goat" incident.

Bush was out riding his bicycle on a weekday at noon. There were reporters with him. If anyone had let him know what was happening, there's a chance he might have screwed it up again in front of the press. "I Love To Ride My Bicycle" (apologies to Queen) might have been the new "My Pet Goat".

Besides, Acting President Cheney was in charge. As ABC News put it, "There was no need for him (Bush) to be involved."
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