Karl Rove is so sad, so sad, so sad. Thinking that all it takes is to

[applegrove]

slur a leader like FDR to undo the compassion and love within our hearts.

So so sad. He thinks of feelings as commodities. He doesn't realize that what made FDR great was the humanity that FDR reflected. That it is within Americans. And all peoples. Given a choice.. most people will make the right one. All FDR did was act on what Americans wanted their country to be.

So so sad.

[yurbud]

1. context?

[Dr Fate]

2. Karl Rove can pretty much do what ever he wants.

Seems to all be working so far.

Not so hard when the media will repeat whatever you put out there.

[applegrove]

3. They have been going after FDR one way or another for months.

They want to replace that meme in our heads. And that is why he thinks we love FDR. Not because FDR represents the best of us, but because he won a war.

It is ridiculous and grandiose to think that FDR is somehow replaceable with their own dam asses.

It is so sad.

Grover came out today and said that RR was the greatest president of the 20th Century.

They are drinking their own ****. And it is so sad to watch.

And then David Frum writes today that if we celebrate the allied victory today..that we are 'making up our own history'. Like it is all so much storytime..we humans and our little histories and the things we tell ourselves.

Their contempt for the average human being knows no bounds.

FDR could not be so loved if he had not been such a great man. A man like we would all love to be. And they don't get that...that nobody is lining up to be like them. That they need to toss money or fear along the path to get elected. And other than people who would have been selling used cars in another political climate.. nobody is lining up to follow.

Did FDR walk around saying "I am better than Lincoln". No. He did not need to. Because FDR... was... a ... man.

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. Demonizing FDR. Who knew? Next they'll go after the

Statue of Liberty for being too Frenchie, and therefore, too socialist to be an American icon.

[ReadTomPaine]

4. He's attacking an opponent's strengths.. a tactic he uses often.

And this is a particularly clever way to do it, as it undermines Democratic political legacy, and his opponent can't fight back.

[Daphne08]

5. Karl Rove lacks a quality

which binds all of us in the Democratic Party.

He has no compassion.

He is driven to win by any means, and his connection to Donald Segretti tells me all I need to know about that man!

For those of you too young to recognize the name Donald Segretti... just google it and see what comes up!

[smartvoter]

7. I've read/heard about the connection before but don't know the

extent of it. I thought Atwater was his hero.

[ReadTomPaine]

8. He was Atwater's protege

Rove didn't just admire him from afar, he learned the trade from him and Segretti.

[elehhhhna]

19. ...and as Atwater went, so may he. And I hope it hurts.

[katinmn]

18. I sometimes wonder if he was withheld love and/or tortured as a child.

The guy hates humanity.

[applegrove]

22. On Larry King they were talking about how random psychopaths

were and how it was not significant if they had been abused as a kid to be a psychopath. That the vast majority of people who grew up in abusive homes (or cold ones..author's note) .. were not bad in any way. (Perhaps they were repressed or untrusting... but not psychopathic). And they think there is a genetic component to the psychopathic freaks. It crosses all cultures and nationalities. And when they do brain scans..these freaks do not even process problems in the same way that normal feeling humans do. It seems that emotional problems are just so much math to them.(Last week on Larry King)


I mean all Victorians were brought up in 'cold homes'... and they turned out to be the greatest generation..the generation who could not stand to see families starve during the depression. The generation who worked their asses off for their families. The generation that kicked the robber barons in the teeth. The generation that saw that gambling and alcohol could ruin families and made those two things illegal for a time (didn't work). The generation that re-elected FDR 3 times. The great people I knew of this generation were the most empathetic and kind people. They could not suffer anyone being made to fell small. (the complete antithesis of sociopaths).

[applegrove]

6. Did FDR walk around saying "I am better than Lincoln"? No.

Did FDR walk around saying "I am better than Lincoln"? No. He did not need to.

Because FDR... was... a ... man.

[bluetrain]

9. You're right.

It's often hard to feel for the enemy but, seriously, what a miserable life he must be leading. He has no respect for the finest things that make up a human being and by proxy a valuable society. I don't know much about his background but it seems that he must have been raised in the coldest of homes, no one taught him to appreciate all the wonderous things about himself or anybody else, how to feel for your fellow man not against them. Either that or he's just another run of the mill sociopath. Whichever, it's a pathetic life he's created for himself. And to have to carry around the weight of all those hideous things you've done to other people...What most saddens is me is that with all that drive he could have done such good for the world.




"I am not here to walk in the footsteps of an average sensibility. I am here to disturb, destabilize, to disarm the invincible, the armor-plated souls, so that they can let themselves be swept away by the best and most lyrical parts of themselves."
--- Isabelle Adjani

[applegrove]

12. I think it is obvious he plays using the tool bag of the average sociopath

Pretty obvious from his perpetual campaign he needs no alone downtime like most human beings do. Even that fool Bush has to have some time to rejuvenate.

If you think he is not pleased by all his actions..and that he is somehow weighted down by all the life diminishing he has purposely caused.. you know very little about his personality type.

Most people would be frozen into inaction by the disasters the Bush WH has done. He - just keep upping the anti. He is not shamed or shocked or frightened or in despair about the things he has done or any of the actions he has taken.

He probably really enjoys the diminished and the sorrowful lives the Iraq war has cost many Americans.

Or else they would do things to help the healing process in America. IT is obvious that Rove (Bush) prefers open wounds in 'others'.

[July]

16. You're right that he enjoys what he does.

Just as the ignorant believe that they are right.

He does get what he wants much of the time. What he can't get is respect. Fear, perhaps, but not respect. People know what he is. And the respect that some ordinary man or woman can get for being a decent, honest person will never be within reach for Rove. He doesn't care, but we know.

He will always be a cheat and a fake, and enough people know it that he can't polish that turd(blossom).

[applegrove]

20. Oh he cares a great deal that he get the numerous fans. But he

can use fear and smoke & mirrors for a bit..but in the end.. he cannot win. because he stands for nothing.

And you are right - each and every one of us who minds our own business and tries to do go, and tries to live a decent life, even if it is very hard, who tries to not affect anyone negatively, who is loath to see anyone hurt.. each and every one of us..the vast majority of the population..have beaten the Karl Rove's of the world many times over..simply by being loving & caring human beings.

[enid602]

10. FDR

Maybe they feel they need to vilify FDR if they are to succeed in unraveling FDR's crowning achievement: Social Security.

[applegrove]

11. They don't need the second part of your statement. It could be social

security or it could be undoing anything. It is all the same to them. Just so long as they get to replace themselves in that spot FDR holds (or will try). They covet what they do not have. And so much 're-history' of their making will replace a man like FDR. Like in 60 years we will be thinking of Rove. Oh - it must make them so mad these 60th anniversary events. They had to diminish it. Apparently Cheney couldn't make to the services with a crummy coat this time.

The greatest men I have ever known never played cowboy. They never knocked anyone down. Unless they had to. These guys cannot let a VE day event go by without stepping in to re-make it.


So sad, so sad, so sad.

Didn't Saddam Hussein spend his last years in power re-writing romance novels with himself as the lead character?

[flordehinojos]

13. the specialty of the marabunta is to destroy.

don't even expect anything different...they are not capable and/or do not know how to be constructive.

[Disturbed]

15. The Bush Junta is scum.

They are the enemies of the Middle Class, The Working Poor and The Poor, not only in Amerika but world wide. There is a Cold Civil War raging in Amerika. Will it become hot?

[flordehinojos]

17. UNLESS THE BUSH MARABUNTA AND THE NEOCONS ARE DERAILED,

you just wait 'n see...time will turn this whole thing into a powder keg and we will be living through our second amerikan revolt.

[applegrove]

21. Oh - I think the only revolt will be at the polls. And if Rove is too

stupid to let that happen (if he tries to interfere or call another crisis to stop and election), there will be impeachment. I mean chimpeachment.

Civil War if for people who have been through a whole lot more than Americans have ..as of yet. The monsters still have to follow the law of the land (even though they ignore the spirit). They are all for playing in the grey areas where it may not be so obvious that manipulation has taken place (in people's hearts & minds, with subtle coercion, MSM concentration among corporations,). But we in opposition see the patterns clearly, and more and more Americans do. But I think we see the coalition of corporations fall apart when they see that the Christian right extremists are forcing markets to be divided in half.

As per usual..the neocons or the corporations.. or the elites..who have thus far benefited by the Rove tactics.. may see them as gone too far. And he has to make a choice. Get with the corporations who want one market in America (they don't want to have to pick to sell in either one or the other)... or stick with the Christian coalition. Either way.. one group sees how they were used.


So civil war? No way. To try and start something violent would be unconscionable.

[flordehinojos]

26. it might be unconsciounable -- but when oxygen is being snuffed by diebold

machines and the bush marabunta out of democracy, civil war might be the only way out... and when dissidents are arrested for expressing their points of view, and people are threatened for speaking out against bush, then i think that civil war has already started.

bush showed us yesterday how much he cares about our ballot boxes.
our votes are now being counted by the diebold machines.

[applegrove]

27. I'm not one to agree that diebold fraud exists. I have seen no proof.

And I go on proof.

But just the fact that Bush 'gets a payoff' from not solving the transparency issue and helping people to heal..and move on.. means that he is getting a payoff from it. It splits the Democratic Party.

There are so many ways in which the exit polls could have been wrong and the error rate is well within the differences that the results show. It was a tight race.

I have no doubt that 'redistricting' helped. So did vetting black felons but not Hispanic ones.

Repukes went all out in Ohio to get just and extra 5% of the religious African American vote. Repukes also got the Vatican to lure their voters into voting on all the right to life issues (except the death penalty).

There are many questions and not many answers. You are only assuming that diebold was frauded.

The payoff to Bush is that it divides the Dem party and that is gold to him. So this, like all the other issues the Repukes use in elections, will be stirred.

Of course Bush wouldn't do anything to fix the trust between the voters and the polls. He gets too much out of keeping the issue alive.

[flordehinojos]

28. one more reason to stop the amoral, lying, cheating bastard.

and at least you are not denying that dissent means jail time for some people.

and one machines register a vote for bush after you pushed the kerry button... i am not sure what more proof of diebold machines stealing votes do you want.

[applegrove]

30. I do not think dissenters get put in jail. They used to just be coerced

into silence of have their careers targeted & or ended if they had a pulpit or the floor.

For sure the quality of our opposition is put down..when potential leaders do not want to be attacked for everything about themselves.

I just don't know the person who talked about the machine defaulting to Bush.

I have to go on what I know. And I know no proof of diebold fraud.

Though Bush is getting so much mileage out of shocking and dividing Democrats with the diebold thing.. it would not surprise me if these were rumors started by the Rove machine. They do that you know..they start whisper campaigns to help create divisions where they want divisions. There is proof of the whisper campaigns.

AS to diebold. Still proof on nothing.

[flordehinojos]

31. AS LONG AS PEOPLE KEEP THEIR EYES CLOSED TO THE REALITIES OF THE

BUSH MARABUNTA AS YOU SEEM TO BE DOING WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THE DICTATORSHIP WHICH THEY HAVE THRUST UPON US.

[applegrove]

32. You project. I keep my eyes open to all possibilities until at least

15 facts add up to make the issue undeniable.

So for you people have 2 pieces of proof. Anecdotes (from who I do not know) that a diebold machine defaulted to Bush. And that the exit polls in the morning were off at the end of the day.

Keep your eyes open to all possibilities. Including the one where the election was close, democrats stayed home en mass, and Bush squeaked by. There is tons of proof that that took place. They got the religious vote to go out and show up. Dems did not do the same with their own base.

They got all the white male vote and a majority of the white female vote. When that has happened in the past..it is always a recipe for Repuke success. Remember Reagan?

[flordehinojos]

34. ...

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/14/1349256

[Writer]

23. Karl Rove = Pathetic n/t

[Jo March]

24. I think that we need to see more of Rove

Showing him all over just reinforces to those undecideds or those whose support for * is wavering who is really in charge. Rove is a sad, pathetic little man who is full of anger and hatred.

Americans need to see who is really running the country - Rove and Cheney.

[applegrove]

25. That is why the two of them hide their roles. Every time Rove's gets

out he gets all grandiose about his empire and the next 20 years when he will be in power. And all the liberals will be diminished.

And then he goes into how he will just replace one reality with another and the MSM (people who Rove actually sort of admires) will be writing and writing and writing about him and his powers and be amazed at realities flying everywhere..and will be taking diligent notes on him..(I'm guessing he thinks they will be writing books about his 'realness').

Complete buffoon! When sociopaths get grandiose..they always include some mention of the 'people reacting with admiration or jealousy to the greatness of the sociopath actions' because that is the only way to include emotion in the whole diatribe. Since there is no emotion in the sociopath themselves..and they are aware of this..they have to add a 'Greek chorus' of emoting humans to all their amazing braggardly projections into the great actions & great power they will have in the future.

So sad.

[Arugula Latte]

29. Bush is a little cockroach

FDR was a great man, a leader, a president for the ages. Bush is a slimey little vermin, an insect, who's not even good enough to soil the heel of FDR's shoe.

[R. A. Fuqua]

33. to tell you the truth--I

think all this FDR stuff is just a distraction. History will show (as it always has) the contribution of FDR.

They have us all stirred up over this--so that we are spending time obsessing over the record of a president who is long gone. Meanwhile, while we are distracted and living in the past--they are concentrating on pushing through their AGENDA. We need to stay focused on the present day.

FDR does not need us to worry about his legacy--his legacy is already firmly a part of history. We need to get our asses out there and worry what they are doing TODAY like oil drilling in Alaska.