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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:26 PM
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The attacks against Clark are relentless.
Bill Schneider was on CNN saying that Clark botched every question in the debate (especially the ones on domestic issues). What domestic issue questions? They were all attack questions. In addition, I think Clark did a great job considering he was under attack. Schneider then went on to praise Edwards. A guy from the Union Leader (which I think is the RW rag which endorsed Lieberman) was also calling Clark the big loser of the debate.

Begela was dissing Dean on crossfire for not listening to the cable news shows. How can they call these programs news shows?
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:29 PM
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1. I wouldn't expect Bill Schneider to say anything nice
about Clark.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:30 PM
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2. ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!
Welcome to Dr. Dean's world, General Clark!! LOL!!!!!!!!!
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:33 PM
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8. They've been attacking Clark since he entered the race.
The problem is they never let up.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:30 PM
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3. RW Agenda Much?
It's getting bad. Almost over-the-top bad.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:52 PM
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27. putting it in terms the general would understand
it's a target rich environment.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:31 PM
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4. They Know They Need To Take Him Down Now - Or Else

The media wants Clark to come in fourth or worse. They know if Clark comes in 3rd or better, he will be a tough challenger down south.

The debate questions were planned, no policy questions, just credibility questions.

Keep repeating it over and over and over -- clark lost the debate - people will hear the clip and think he is done.

They know Kerry will win, and want Dean to stay in it, and having Edwards do well makes him more viable down south.

Clark is either ignored or criticized. Check out Fox's website tonight (political page) - there are stories and/or photos about EVERY candidate except Clark.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:32 PM
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5. If you want to broadcast liberal radio I have a hilltop
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 06:35 PM by HereSince1628
halfway between Madison and Milwaukee its plenty large enough for a many hundreds foot high tower with its wires.

Really, I'm not kidding on AM a 35K watt station would reach Madison, Milwaukee and into the Chicago suburbs.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:32 PM
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6. You have to survive this crap
or Clark is toast. We know they don't want Clark, the only press he gets is bad right now. But if he does well on Feb. 3 things will change.

This is the shit any Democrat is going to have to go through to get elected. The fun is just starting. Break out the paxil, it's going to be a long, hard ride.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:33 PM
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7. Ah, he can handle it...
This isn't the toughest opposition he has ever faced, not by a long shot.

I have faith in the good General. I am not concerned at all about how the media are playing it out.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:35 PM
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11. I'm not worried about the General. I'm worried about the masses
that are so easy to control it's scary.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:34 PM
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9. The entire U.S. media is trying to destroy the Democratic candidates
This is just the beginning of the right wing attack by the entire U.S. media.

Where is the non-right wing media that we will need to have a voice in what American hear and see in the future?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:36 PM
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13. Why is the media attacking Clark, instead of the front runner?
Answer: The Kerry campaign is involved in the smearing of another opponent.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:54 PM
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32. oh this is rich......you have any proof on this wild accusation?
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waylon Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:42 PM
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20. hmmm, i see it
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:34 PM
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10. Schneider knows most people didn't watch the debate
It doesn't matter if Schneider's analysis has nothing to do with reality. He knows most people didn't watch the debate and are relying on the news media to tell them what happened. So in those non-debate-viewers minds, there MUST have been domestic questions, and Clark MUST have bobbled them.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:36 PM
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14. No one listens to Bill Schneider anyway
who cares?!
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:36 PM
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12. Welcome to Dr. Dean's world.
I'm personally getting some Kevlar underwear for Sen. Edwards, should he start doing well, too. Maybe you can beging to empathize with the Dean folks now, eh? :)
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:37 PM
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16. That's because Dean was the front-runner before
When has Clark been the front-runner?
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:38 PM
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17. It's all perspective.
It's only normal that we notice the attacks on our candidate, while the attacks on other candidates become 'background noise'. Compared to Dr. Dean, Gen. Clark has gotten a free ride from the press, until now.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:36 PM
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15. At least they're FINALLY mentioning his name!
Remember when the media thought there was only ONE candidate?

Can you say "egg on face"?
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:39 PM
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18. Did I wake up in bizarro world?
I thought Begala hated Bush. "Is Our Children Learning" was my bible during the 2000 election. For a die-hard democrat (I thought) to go on a relentless attack makes little sense to me.

Sure, he may have his favorite runner, but I'm really trying to make sense of this "Clark hater" thing he has going on.

And I'm really trying to resist the urge to set fire to my "bible."
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:46 PM
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24. What has Begala been saying about Clark?
wonder why he would have such hate for the 4 star general?
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:48 PM
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26. This is the second reference
to ill words toward the general coming from Begala. I shudder to research it, but I'll google and see if I can find something.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:40 PM
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19. I jumped out of my chair
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 06:42 PM by dennis4868
and began yelling at the TV when Bill Schneider said that Clark did horrible with the dopmestic policy questions....well lets take a look at the 4 questions thrown Clark's way by the debate panel:

1. Flip flop on the Iraq war issue

2. That Clark is a lobbyist with Axiom which is a company that helps the government infringe on privacy rights

3. The issue of which party he really belongs too

4. The Miichael Moore/Bush Deserter issue

Okay Mr. Schneider where exactly was General Clark asked a domestic policy question last night?

Mr. Schneider you are a very stupid man....and you get paid for this? Sheeeesh!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:44 PM
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22. EXACTLY, the Patriot Act was the only domestic
question he was asked last night, and he nailed it.

Schneider's just running with the herd.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:46 PM
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23. Patriotic Act Question
Was just a set up for the questions about his connections to Axicom.

So I barely count it.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:47 PM
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25. You are right....
I missed that one....but he answered that question just fine....
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snyttri Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:43 PM
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21. Not that it makes a difference, but the right-wing Union-Leader editorial
writer starter it off by saying Clark did badly on every question and Schneider piled on by agreeing with him. No Democratic side presented, of course. The only one I have seen say the Union-Leader is right-wing on TV this year is Tucker Carlson.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:09 PM
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28. I like the way Clark conducts himself. He is shrewd but
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 07:10 PM by henslee
basically calm. His demeanor is a strong point. He seems aware he is in untested water and proceeds cautiously. I love the shots he took at Ashcroft and his refusal to quell the Bush/deserter story. Yeah, he seems scripted at times but sometimes you don't need to be innovative. LIke others have said on DU, you don't win debates , you only "not lose" them.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:43 PM
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29. I seem to remember
hearing that Dean supporters should toughen up and stop sniveling a while back.

karma
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:47 PM
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31. You Know, I Am Not Whining... This Is Kind Of... Fascinating
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 07:47 PM by cryingshame
In the "what'll they come up with next" way.
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maxr4clark Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:44 PM
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30. Woo hoo!
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 07:50 PM by maxr4clark
They can attack him all they want. He's pro-choice, they say, as if that's a bad thing. He had a high-paying job--doesn't sound like a Democrat to them! He likes French food, and refuses to call them Freedom Fries--Oh My! Michael Moore and Madonna support him--I'll pit either one up against Britney Spears (who supports little George) any day--preferably mud-wrestling! He opposed the war in front of Congress! He has friends that aren't even from America! He didn't protect Bush from a dangerous comment made by someone standing near him! He doesn't condemn sinners at the start and end of every day to a fiery death! He isn't planning on voting for Jeb! He knows Clinton personally!

But worse than that, he might not keep the American people in a constant state of fear! He might make CEOs actually work for their pay! He might make it less difficult for minorities to get good jobs! He wants rich people to pay for Social Security! He might actually get us out of Iraq with honor, but no oil! He didn't name his son after Reagan! What will we do, what will we do!

With enemies like that, Al Franken might even endorse him.

:party:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:57 PM
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33. Keep defending him! (n/t)
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