So... Bush was lying about Iraq and here's the proof

[liveoaktx]

http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2005/04/my_my_what_have_1.php

[Placebo]

1. Holy crap.

This is huge.

It confirms what most of us have suspected all along!

:wow:

[radfringe]

13. "THE MEMO"

The secret Downing Street memo
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY

DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02

cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.

This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.

John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

CDS said that military planners would brief CENTCOM on 1-2 August, Rumsfeld on 3 August and Bush on 4 August.

The two broad US options were:

(a) Generated Start. A slow build-up of 250,000 US troops, a short (72 hour) air campaign, then a move up to Baghdad from the south. Lead time of 90 days (30 days preparation plus 60 days deployment to Kuwait).

(b) Running Start. Use forces already in theatre (3 x 6,000), continuous air campaign, initiated by an Iraqi casus belli. Total lead time of 60 days with the air campaign beginning even earlier. A hazardous option.

[Frederik]

29. Smoking Gun

if ever I saw one.

This is also interesting:

"There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action."

Well, that's kind of what we've been suspecting... Confirms what kind of morons we're dealing with here. Let's just invade and we'll see what happens.

The memo is corroboration for Lt. Col. Karen Kwietkowski, member of Sibel Edmond's whistleblower coalition, who worked in the Pentagon and who has said this all along, that the facts and intelligence were "fixed around the policy". Of course, the commission that "investigated" the "intelligence failures" didn't bother to hear her testimony.

[vince3]

2. Big news. Great link. Thanks. n/t

[Alizaryn]

3. This had better make the US MSM!

Its showing up in the Observer and Guardian as of now.

[FreedomAngel82]

4. Oh I hope!!!

I hope so. I know I'll be saying prayers for this to make it here. If it does what would happen? What's going to happen to Blair?

[AwakeAtLast]

6. I think it has, because

my DAD asked me about how I felt about the mess Blair was in. This is from the guy who voted for Perot in '92. If he is asking, it means it had to be on something very mainstream.

[Benno]

5. Wow

Though you know, even if this does go mainstream in America, Bush will flat out deny it, case closed.

[jbnow]

7. Why in the world

do they write such things down? If I was planning something illegal or devious I wouldn't have notes taken or tapes made.

I will hope Blair will be pushed about this and a loud outcry comes from it, because it sure hasn't been happening here. But if they make it a scandal it should carry over.

[seabeyond]

8. nothing is a story anymore, so many people have literally turned

off information coming to them. even if this did hit msm not going to get to the people and when they do hear it not gonna strike them as a big deal. bushco's lies and corruption has immunized people to outrage

just a oh george

[AuntiBush]

43. I Respectfully Disagree... I think if MSN went w/it - it would b heard.

Problem is, MSN is owned by Corp $$$ w/strong ties to Repub agenda. It will just take them time to get over being lied to and used.

Again, the problem is ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN and the faux fox.

[seabeyond]

46. tell a republican the story

and see if they are outraged. that will give you a clue if even showing on msm people will be mad

[understandinglife]

9. Bu$h is a good fristian, therefore, he MUST LIE. You become a fristian....

....based on your ability to lie and to commit atrocities. (and you rely on Delay for the $$$ to ensure everyone around you lies, whether they smoke Cuban cigars, or not)

Don't you know that.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us (The.Day.WE.THE.PEOPLE.BEGIN.........)

[lady lib]

10. Nominated

:kick:

[OneBlueSky]

11. okay . . . so edumacate me . . .

why wouldn't this be, on its face, and impeachable offense on the part of one G.W. Bush, pseudo-president? . . . and why aren't all good Americans clamoring for his head on a stake? . . .

really . . . I'd like to know . . .

[magellan]

12. Lord knows, OneBlueSky

I just posted this article over in LBN and I'm ENRAGED. It confirms that Bush** is lying about WHEN and WHY he decided to go into Iraq. This is the PROOF we knew was out there. This is the EVIDENCE that we've been waiting for. And we can't even be sure it'll be reported by our "liberal" media!!

Bush** and everyone else involved in concocting the illegal Iraq war and lying about it while our soldiers and uncounted civilians die BELONG IN JAIL. And anyone who can't agree with that after reading this article is f*cking STUPID and a TRAITOR TO AMERICA.

Sorry, had to blow off a little steam. :) :mad:

[OneTwentyoNine]

15. Because SEX sells,killing is OK,blowjobs are impeachable...

Unbelievable.....

[sickinohio]

18. That's right - sex sells and BJs are impeachable

That's why I STILL really do believe that the only way to impeach the chimp is to get PROOF that he is having an affair with Condom Rice. The religious right wings don't care about anything else. But, if they find out about their adulteress affair, (and OMG) with a black woman at that, the chimp and his whole team of crooks would come tumbling down, down, down!! Wish I knew a Linda Tripp!!

[Dr Fate]

27. DEMs ignored the Gannon story- which had a GAY HOOKER.

n/t

[liveoaktx]

19. Because Republicans are in power and you have to have the House

do impeachment proceedings. Tom DeLay, Crook, controls the House.

[Dr Fate]

28. That does not stop DEMs from going on TV and talking about it...

...and saking "Why are the hypocritical Republicans not for Impeachment?- they made it clear that lying was impeachable..."

"Why are the Republicans refusing to investigate this- what are they hiding?"

The excuse that we dont hold congress still does not account for the lack of holding REpubs responsible for lying about why we are at war.

[liveoaktx]

31. I absolutely agree... I just don't think it will go as far as impeachment

as long as there are a bunch of right-wing Repubs in power. That may be one reason the White House/Bush is sucking up to DeLay right now.

[Dr Fate]

33. I agree- but DEMs should make the GOP/media explain why.

...DEMs should force the Republicans & media to split hairs as to why it was OK to impeach Bill for lying about the sex but not OK to impeach the Chimp for lying about why thousands are dead.

[Vinca]

14. If ever there was evidence for impeachment, this is it.

If I hear this story from MSM in this country I'll faint. How many taxpayer dollars does it take to shut up a reporter? I'm sure Karl's writing the checks.

[babsbunny]

16. I think

if Blair's going down, he'll take Shrub with him! Yeah!

[indie_voter]

30. At the very least, it will expose Bush

It will raise awkward questions. Can the MSM completely ignore it, especially if the leader of our closest ally goes down?

[FreedomAngel82]

50. Me too

If one of them goes down they all do. They won't go alone and I'm sure of that.

[sellitman]

17. Send it to Oberman

I wonder what time today Fux News has this story running? :sarcasm:

[mzmolly]

20. This is where DU-ers come in - and blast this info to the media.

I-M-P-E-A-C-H the SOB * FOR high crimes and treason ... Nothing less.

[Amonester]

22. * and BLIAR LIED.

THOUSANDS DIED.

THEY SHOULD BE SENT TO JAIL.

http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm

(OR TO BAGHDAD)

:woohoo:

[Dr Fate]

26. But we would need top DEMs like Kerry, Dean or Hilary to back us up.

So far, I've heard no top DEMs even mention this report.

[mzmolly]

32. We need to send info to them and encourage them to be vocal.

You are correct.

[Dr Fate]

So Dr Fate in his bathrobe knows about it, but Dean, Kerry,Hillary dont?

Dr Fate knows of this report while sitting in his bathrobe reading DU, but the top DEMs who employ staffers are not aware?

They DO know about-and they DO know that the base would prefer they speak up- they just refuse to.

Sure- lets remind them of these things- it cant hurt- but they should already know.

[mzmolly]

42. True enough. But, I think we can pressure them to speak up right?

:hi:

[Dr Fate]

34. So Dr Fate in his bathrobe knows about it, but Dean, Kerry,Hillary dont?

Dr Fate knows of this report while sitting in his bathrobe reading DU, but the top DEMs who employ staffers are not aware?

They DO know about-and they DO know that the base would prefer they speak up- they just refuse to.

Sure- lets remind them of these things- it cant hurt- but they should already know.

[liveoaktx]

40. It's the weekend-let's see what happens next week

assuming Congress is still in session and they're not taking yet another break.

[kentuck]

21. Which proves it was all a sell-job and con on the American people also..

""A damning minute leaked to a Sunday newspaper reveals that in July 2002, a few weeks after meeting George Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, Mr Blair summoned his closest aides for what amounted to a council of war. The minute reveals the head of British intelligence reported that President Bush had firmly made up his mind to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein, adding that 'the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.'"

[Dr Fate]

23. Mabey Kerry, Dean, Hillary, Obama etc will all go on TV and talk about it.

Or mabey they should wait and see if Republican TV journalists will talk about first.

[bunkerbuster1]

38. Perhaps monkeys will fly out of my butt as well.

Yeah, our fearless Dem "leadership" will get to the bottom of this!

[Dr Fate]

39. They are waiting for Wolf Blitzer to spread this talking point FOR them.

I'm told its called "strategy."

;)

[lala_rawraw]

24. GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT, OF BOTH...

" the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy "

Who is going to write their reps and demand impeachment hearings? What is the matter with these people... this is not partisan, this is illegal.

List everyone you contact in your response, okay? That way, it will keep this kicked and motivating.

[understandinglife]

25. MissionNOTAcccomplished - May 2 2005 is just the beginning of our....

........www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[bvar22]

35. Congress was NOTgiven the same evidence as bush*!!!

BIG LIE EXPOSED!!!!
Congress was NOT given the SAME INTELLIGENCE that bush* had. Congress (and the UN) were given PHONEY evidence!!!
NOW the Democrats who voted FOR THE WAR have a solid OUT!!!.

Now John Kerry, Joe Liberman, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and ALL THE REST of THE DEMOCRATS have PROOF that bush* was LYING to them to get their votes!!!

PROOF POSITIVE that bush*/NeoCons WERE LYING, and KNEW THEY WERE LYING!!


We need to find all the Film clips where the smirking bush* said,"Hey, Congress had the same intelligence I had, and THEY voted for the WAR!".
These clips with a BIG SUPERIMPOSED LIE should be played 24/7!!!

[rocktivity]

36. "...British intelligence reported that...Bush had firmly made up his mind

to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein, adding that 'the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.'"

This is what we've been missing--a tangible reason to believe that he made the whole thing up. IMPEACH!!!

:headbang:
rocknation

[GetTheRightVote]

37. This is looking bad for Tony Blair, it is good, I wish * was impeached due

to the lies and deaths of our American Soldiers.

:kick:

[Mr Rabble]

41. Im sure Faux Newz will jump right onto this story...

as long as no white women are late for dinner...

[Blue Topaz]

44. This does sound like the smoking gun, but,

and I'm only saying what Repugs and war-mongers will say: how do we know the memo is the real deal? Remember memo-gate (as if we could forget)? Is there any way to corroborate either the source or the information, or both?

I would love nothing more than to see this take Bush and the whole festering cabal down into dust, but the source and info have to be completely and totally ironclad.

[gordianot]

45. You are correct. I'll go one step further.

We are at the point even if these people admitted all their lies, deceptions, and crimes, on National Television all networks, under oath from the Supreme Court Justice, with a room full of news media and the entire Democratic opposition from Congress; nothing would be done.

I want to know what the hell was in the missing pages of the 911 commission. I forgot about that until a couple days ago. A friend told me that is Bush's smoking gun and many know the contents.

I don't, the friend was not sure either.

[Tippy]

47. I too fear nothing will be done

Bush will never be impeached they have had over 40 years to work their con game, ever since they took out President Kennedy...

[gordianot]

48. Eisenhower had a brief moment of conscience.

He called it the Military Industrial Complex. Then he walked out the door and did not elaborate even when asked. For that alone he deserved a very small bust (maybe life size) on Mt. Rushmore.

[Stand and Fight]

49. Good God...

They've now got Goldsmith -- the GB AG -- saying that it is a fake document! Eventhough it came out of Blair's office! This is hopeless. The criminals -- the murderous fools -- cannot be stopped.

[FreedomAngel82]

51. I do feel hopeless

I just read about that. *sigh* What are we going to do?

[gordianot]

52. As I read it as Goldsmith is in trouble. May have a bad case of denial.

The attorney general, Lord Goldsmith, faces a possible Bar Council disciplinary hearing over his advice on the legality of war against Iraq, after the council's conduct committee decided to consult a constitutional law expert on whether it has jurisdiction to deal with complaints that he breached the Bar's code.
If found guilty of breaching the requirements of the code of conduct, which require barristers to act independently at all times, he could be reprimanded, suspended from practice or even disbarred.

Complaints have been made by the former overseas development secretary, Clare Short, and by Reg Keys, whose son was killed in Iraq and who is standing as an independent candidate against Tony Blair in Sedgefield. A separate group of MPs is also understood to have filed a complaint, and a further complaint is being lodged by more than a dozen barristers, including four QCs.


see link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1474678,00.html