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sillymikey Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:00 PM
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Edwards in Trouble??
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 05:01 PM by sillymikey
from Drudge Report (i know i know)
http://www.drudgereport.com/mattje1.htm

(bit)JOHN EDWARDS UNLEASHED: BREAKS SPENDING RULES IN NEW HAMPSHIRE In applying for federal matching funds to help finance his campaign, Dem presidential hopeful John Edwards pledged to adhere to "spending caps" in a letter to the FEC. "As a candidate seeking to become eligible to receive Presidential primary matching funds, I agree to the following provisions ... I and/or my authorized committee(s) certify that we have not incurred and will not incur qualified campaign expenditures in connection with my campaign for nomination in excess of the expenditure limitations prescribed by ." http://www.fec.gov/finance/2004matching/edwards_docs_00... But through January 20, 2004, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, Edwards has spent $950,915 in New Hampshire -- already busting the state's "spending cap by over $220,000!



Now what are the penalties for doing this if its true? Im kinda new in the game and dont know what could happen? :o I know its the Druge Report and all, but Im just curious
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R3dD0g Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:02 PM
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1. Someone will file a complaint.
There'll be a long investigation.

Way past the Nov election his campaign MIGHT be ordered to pay a fine.
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sillymikey Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:04 PM
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3. thats it?
B-) I guess I really should avoid Drudge.. Geez from the way it sounded I thought everything would be screwed.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:08 PM
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8. Everyone shoud avoid Drudge report...
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 05:09 PM by Democrats unite
All you get is SLUDGE!
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:03 PM
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2. Why do we use
right wingnut smear artists as legitimate sources here?

He's competing against 2 guys who have no spending cap in NH. If he wants to break it and then pay a fine later. I'd say that he's entitled to do so under the circumstances.

From what I understand the penalities are pretty minor. Gephardt did it in Iowa in 1988 and paid a fine in the few tens of thousands.
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sillymikey Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:05 PM
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5. not sure
I didnt think it was legitimate, I just wasnt sure what would happen if that was the case. I know better than to listen to SludgeReport
:)
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:07 PM
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7. Welcome to DU
Glad you are here.
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sillymikey Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:10 PM
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11. thank you
:) I just found this website the other day and have been hooked on it since.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:18 PM
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17. Anyone read that candidates who got matching funds didn't get the full pyt
Apparently the matching fund fund was udner funded (fancy that!).

So the candidates taking matching funds got only something like 60% of the money they were supposed to get in mid-January.

They were promised the rest when the fund got topped up.

Things that make you go, hmmmm.
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:05 PM
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4. After the Drudge scandal about Clark
where he doctored Clark's quotes and was caught doing it, why would you believe any Drudge-sourced attack on a Dem candidate?
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:06 PM
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6. the article talks about him using money in boston...
...which doesn't seem like it would apply to New Hampshire?

I am no expert on campaign finance, but since this is only on Drudge, I doubt this is a real story.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:29 PM
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18. New Hampshire TV
mostly originates out of Boston, therefore TV ad buys would be paid in Mass.
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anti-bush Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:09 PM
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9. Nope, not in trouble
I posted this on another thread... Drudge is an idiot.

http://www.politicsnh.com/sigel/11_6.shtml

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The federal spending cap structure may be one of the least understood aspects of the New Hampshire primary. Thats partly because the cap isnt absolute, but limits only certain categories of spending. Campaigns can spend a lot of money here, as long as they manage their spending within the cap structure.

The federal spending cap for New Hampshire is approximately $700,000 modest, at first blush. Each campaign is then allowed a fundraising exemption, which effectively doubles the cap to around $1.4 million.

Heres where it gets interesting. Under the federal rules, major spending categories are exempt, or partially exempt, from the cap. For example:



* Media. A campaigns biggest cost, by far, is TV advertising. According to the Federal Election Commission media costs are allocated based on the percentage of households within a state that comprise a stations viewership. Thus, only around 15 percent of money spent on Boston TV counts against the cap. For example, a campaign could spend $2 million on Boston TV, but only $300,000 would count against the New Hampshire cap.



* Salaries for campaign staff. Hiring a talented staff and mounting a big, statewide field operation is expensive. An early starting, well-staffed New Hampshire campaign could easily exceed $500,000 in payroll and benefits costs. These costs do not count toward the cap.



* Direct mail. Mass mailings sent prior to the last four weeks of the campaign dont count toward the cap. A simple, two-sided mail piece to 100,000 households costs around $50,000, and a fancy, multi-page pamphlet costs lots more. A campaign might do 5-10 cycles of mail to various targeted voters.



Managing to these and other exemptions, top-spending New Hampshire campaigns could easily exceed the $5 million mark, all within the cap.


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Longish, but you get the idea.

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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:10 PM
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12. Thanks a-b (nt)
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anti-bush Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:11 PM
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13. you're welcome n/t
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:11 PM
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14. I encourage you to return to Drudge
one more time... with your post, and a wet noodle.

Good info, good job!
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sillymikey Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:11 PM
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15. ahh :)
perfect. thanks , thats all I was trying to find out. I really like Edwards, and he's my #2 if Dean doesn't get the nom, I just wasnt sure what kind of penalty he would get for that, IF it was true
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:09 PM
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10. it's a dupe and it's drudge :(
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:12 PM
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16. The thing about Sludge is: he sucks *'s dick on a daily basis - therefore
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 05:13 PM by rumguy
what he says about our candidates is always, always suspect.

He is going after Edwards like he's gone after Dean, Kerry, and Clark in the past.

Sludge will attack anyone he sees as possibly getting in the way of his daily shrub blowjobs...
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:54 PM
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19. dupe
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