Clark compares W to a rooster, attacks religious "wrong" (from DailyKos)

[Clarkie1]

Clark takes on W claiming credit for democracy in Middle East:

"GWB is like a rooster crowing trying to take credit for the sunrise."

(What other Democratic leader do we have who can take on Bush Re: democracy in the Middle East with such credibility?)

Clark takes on the Religious Wrong:

"I'm a Christian. I think I'm right. Bill Frist going on that TV show, that's not the Christian right. That's the Christian wrong. They're extremists. They're wrong. The Christianity I know is about love. It's about lifting every person up. The Christian right is taking the word of the Good Lord and twisting it to political purposes."

Clark also said he's starting a new national inititive to make election day a national holiday. Clark attended the California Democratic Convention today.

More here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/16/23109/8313

[yorkiemommie1]

1. how true

my daughter said she met someone who had worked closely w/ Clark on his campaign!

[madfloridian]

2. Was he at the convention itself or a reception?

He announced he was running according to the diary. Why would he announce at the CA party convention? Why not Arkansas?

[Clarkie1]

3. I don't believe he announced he is running.

I think the poster at DailyKos may have gotten a little carried away.

I'm not sure if it was the convention or a reception afterwards. Poster didn't say. I'm guessing a reception afterwards.

[Crunchy Frog]

4. Sounds like he may have decided to run.

The big question "Am I going to run again?"

The crowd goes WILD. Shouting, screaming, women's panties on stage...uh, no, I'm making that up. But trust me, if this crowd could've they would've.

Drum roll please: "Well...I'll certainly have to take your advice about that."

The crowd erupts. He gets to take a water break. Hell, he could've walked around the block and come back before it quieted down.

He asks for our help. He says that last time, he had no political experience, no political strategy, no money when he started and no staff. This time, he promises that if we help, he'll have the money, he has the strategy, he'll have the staff, and he has the experience.

Folks, I'm sitting next to General Clark's media consultant who doesn't want me to say this so blatantly, but what I heard is that General Clark is running in '08. He explained to us that he intends to spend the next few years building the strategy, working the language and connecting the grassroots together for, as he calls it, "a giant march on Washington."

Hope, hope, hope.:bounce: :bounce:

[Clarkie1]

5. "Well...I'll certainly have to take your advice about that."

"It's not about me, it's about all of you." -Wes Clark

:hi:

[madfloridian]

6. Why would he announce at the CA Dem convention?

Why not Arkansas? That would be more likely.

[Clarkie1]

7. He didn't announce anything. n/t

[Clark2008]

8. Yes he did

Just got back from the WesPAC reception and it's all true! He announced!
Wes Clark is running for President! I heard it with my own ears! Heather heard it too!
Wes said, "People keep asking me if I'm going to run for President. Well, I am." Huge cheers and applause!
Too tired, (I can tell because I'm exclamation point happy) will post more tomorrow, but I wanted everybody to know it's all true!
Wes Clark 2008! We need buttons, bumper stickers - the works!

http://chat.forclark.com/comments/2005/4/16/191228/849/118#118

Look, I believe my friends on DU and on the Clark blog before I believe the news media, these days.

I think he said SOMETHING, something more than "I'm not ruling it out."

[Clarkie1]

11. Clark may have gotten tired of playing the political game

all the other "potential" 08' candidates are playing and just let it out to a group of loyal supporters. It's not in his nature to be double-faced about anything. He's a very straightforward kind of guy.

It's fitting Clark confirmed his intentions this way.

Woo-hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This deserves a "four-star bounce!"

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Dave Sund]

12. It sounds like

Someone cut out the last part of the sentence beginning "well, I am."

He hasn't officially announced, yet. But it seems much more likely, now.

[kat21]

13. I was there too and he definitely said he's running -

First people started yelling "Run Wes run" which sounds like "Run Res run" when you say it too fast. Then he announced the big news.

[Clark2008]

9. More likely, maybe

But not out of the realm.

Wes Jr. is big with the Dems in California.

[merci_me]

10. Sometimes you know who

you just didn't know when.

The first week of Feb 2003, my granddaughter was visiting from California and as we waited for the Daily Show to come on, we had Aaron Brown on CNN and Wes was there. We discovered that we each were totally mesmerized by him and said what a great president he would be.

We didn't know when, but now it's so right! And ironically, she was there last night and I will be at a luncheon with the General Wednesday.

We aren't taking credit for the coming sunrise, but it's been a long dark night and we recognize a new day IS coming.

[kentuck]

14. The "religious wrong" ???

That is so simple and true, it is perfect for these so-called Christians of the "right". They do not stand for Christian values. They are the "religious wrong".

[Clarkie1]

15. Yes, it is a great reframing.

Here's another...

"Tom Delay would have arrested Mary Magdalene; Christ saved her."

http://www.forclark.com/

[kentuck]

16. And this is the very area that Democrats are attacked...

When it is the Democrats that hold the strongest and most righteous position when it comes to taking care of the poor, the needy, the old, etc...It is not the Democrats that want to cut off food stamps for the poor and give all the breaks to the wealthiest. It is the "religious wrong". And they are "wrong" for not speaking up against what their Party is doing, also.

[Clarkie1]

18. My minister tells me every Sunday "God loves a cheerful giver" - Wes Clark

[FrenchieCat]

21. My pastor says this every Sunday too....

God loves a cheerful giver.

My church: the same church as that of Barbara Lee.

[patricia92243]

28. Wonderful!

[MollyStark]

35. Nice sound bite, but he needs to study his theology

Mary Magdalene was not a Prostitute. It was St Gregory who combined her with the woman in the story who was to be stoned. MM was a leader of women and a woman of some financial means in the view of most bible scholars.

[FrenchieCat]

38. As far as what is common knowledge, MM was a prostitute

I doubt that most Christian Americans know much about what you are talking about. Keep in mind that they are the audience....the ones who need to understand that christianity is not a political party.

Attention Ms. Snark, nitpicking critic of all things Wes Clark aka Ms. Bible expert extraordinaire.......Clark mentions that "the Christianity I know is about love. It's about lifting
every person up." (HINT)

and last night Clark also said...."Americans will believe that a Democratic CinC will defend them when they first become convinced that " Democrats will defend other Democrats."

Can I get an amen?

[Crunchy Frog]

40. I'll give you that amen! n/t

[JohnOneillsMemory]

44. The Christianity I know doesn't include cluster bombs and depleted uranium

And those are the tools of his trade he has used on civilians. Fact.

Smacking down the religious hypocrites is great. Except when it is done by another one.

[Clark2008]

45. Jesus said that fighting for one's nation was acceptable

because the law of man is different than God's law. Otherwise, there would be no laws against anything that was not covered in either the Ten Commandments or the Judeo laws set forth in Leviticus.
I'm sure Clark has prayed about the "tools of his trade," as you say and he has made peace with his God.
And he never lied about the reasons for the Kosovo War (I know plenty of Kosovar Albanians to back that up), unlike most of the Christo-facists in the Bush Administration.

Of course, Christianity also forbids one to judge, which is what you do of Clark every time you show up on a thread.

However, and in fair keeping with my argument between the separation of God's law and Man's, I will say this: Every time we sit on a jury or become a judge, humans "judge" and aren't condemned to hell as a result - another separation of man's law and God's.

I don't know your religion, but I'm sure you could appreciate the hypocricy in what you just said and did.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

47. !!Where does Jesus say this??!! Um...who would Jesus bomb?

This is some tortured 'reasoning' on your part I would expect from General Boykin of "my god's bigger than his god"-fame.

You are now justifying war in Jesus' name. That's so...sad.

And calling me a sinner for judging those who kill and lie about it, which is my accusation of the military industrial complex Clark worked for all his life and still does.

I think your stretching very hard to keep a halo on the General and horns on me, dontcha think?

"Blessed are the peacemakers..." Every military figure claims that they prevent war and defend humanity. Every one. As they pull the trigger.

[CJCRANE]

50. Doesn't Jesus say

at one point "I come not in peace but with a sword"? (Paraphrasing).

[Totally Committed]

51. Fercripessake...

Give it a rest!

TC

[dhinojosa]

17. CLARK!!!! Goddamnit YOU'RE SO F*******N COOL!

Oh, I wanted a high-ranking dem to say this. Oh, OH, OH, I want to rub this all over my body......omg, OMG! YES! YES! YES!

[Clark2008]

20. Bath salts for Democrats...

Four-Star, kick the Christo-fascists-in-the-ass to start your day body bath.

Hell, yeah. I need that EVERY day in the red South. ;)

P.S. Smells like Freedom, don't it?

[NightOwwl]

30. Damn, I need a cigarette after that.

:D:smoke:

[Lisa]

19. awesome simile!

The thing about roosters is -- they keep crowing all day long! It can be 3 in the afternoon and they are still doing it: "Hey, everybody! Remember what a great guy I am? Huh? Huh? Maybe if I crow again, something else neat will happen, even though it's been pretty much the same the last 297 times I put on my show!"

[Tinksrival]

31. Thats our comander and thief

Fits *ush to a T.

[understandinglife]

22. "The Christianity I know is about love. " Focus on that on MNA Day...

...May 2 2005. Focus on that every day after May 2 2005. Focus and act, accordingly.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us (a day of reflection on what Jesus would be doing, today and tomorrow, in Iraq)

[dxstone]

23. It's outta character for me to want to follow an army guy...

But Clark impressed me as intelligent and canny and the ONLY guy with the GUTS to take on these human monsters we're dealin' with here; I'm glad to see him back in the headlines making some real waves. More power to him!

The Very Latest Scary News:

Halliburton Caught Overcharging Again
http://www.presidentevilonline.com/sn_blackwh2.html

Greenspawn Forecasts Golden Showers
http://www.presidentevilonline.com/sn_goldensh.html

Does Christian Prayer Kill?
http://www.presidentevilonline.com/sn_prayer.html

"I LOVE horror movies, man... I just don't want to LIVE in one."
DXS

[Clark2008]

24. You have to understand - it is for me, too.

My parents were hippies and never Yuppies.

Hell, I kept finding pot pipes stashed in the house until I was grown.

However, growing up in the South, my parents never were anti-military during Vietnam. In fact, they never got their friends' hatred toward the soldiers when it was the policy that was wrong - of course, both their fathers were in the military and both hated the war, so a mutual respect was always out there.

I dunno. I think when we stopped listening to one another, we stopped learning.

[Nothing Without Hope]

25. And doesn't this just sum it all up. Progressive media, take notice

"I'm a Christian. I think I'm right. Bill Frist going on that TV show, that's not the Christian right. That's the Christian wrong. They're extremists. They're wrong. The Christianity I know is about love. It's about lifting every person up. The Christian right is taking the word of the Good Lord and twisting it to political purposes."

I hope that the Wes Clark DU group has a thread where they're saving up such perfect quotes. Skinner told me once in response to an ATA question that the admins can set up a thread so that it stays pinned to the top of a forum thread list but (unlike the admin threads) remains open for posting. I'd love to see a thread like that for Clark quotes. When we're out convincing people to open their eyes, lines like these can really help to reach them.

Recommended.

[Clarkie1]

26. Here ya go...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=235&topic_id=3434&mesg_id=3434

Enjoy. :-)

[Nothing Without Hope]

27. WONDERFUL! This man is a treasure for so many reasons

...but then I didn't need to tell YOU that, right? ;)

My username may not indicate it explicitly, but I supported Clark in the 2004 primaries.

[NightOwwl]

29. He was my first choice in the 2004 primaries.

But the full effect of his incredible charisma and intelligence didn't come through as he campaigned across the country. This was due to inexperience, I'm sure. But that was then and this is now.

He's not afraid to say the Emperor has no clothes...and I will support him in an instant if he decides to run in 2008.

[Tinksrival]

32. Repeat...Repeat...Repeat

This is the third place I have heard Clark say this in the last week or so. When something you say makes perfect sense in simple language you have to say it again and again and again. Now everyone repeat...

[Adelante]

33. Please elaborate

Where and what did he say the other two times this week? Thanks. :)

[ArkySue]

34. Let me say

I heard Wes use his fabulous "crowing about the sunrise" line at the HASC hearing on 4-6 (which CPSAN has mysteriously NOT shown, and he used it in his Op-Ed piece in the Baltimore Sun on 4-13. Read that here: http://www.securingamerica.com/?q=articles/baltsun/2005-04-13

[Adelante]

36. Oh, yes

I've heard it, too. I'm getting all confused among the threads :dunce:

[Totally Committed]

49. The repetition thing

is a trick the Wingnuts use all the time, and with stunningly good results.

We need to start to reframe and repeat and in that way, outdo them in making the public remember what the Democratic Party has to say, too!

Wes is a wise and wonderful man. He does know what he's doing!

TC

[trillian]

37. WooHoo!

"He asks for our help. He says that last time, he had no political experience, no political strategy, no money when he started and no staff. This time, he promises that if we help, he'll have the money, he has the strategy, he'll have the staff, and he has the experience.
Folks, I'm sitting next to General Clark's media consultant who doesn't want me to say this so blatantly, but what I heard is that General Clark is running in '08. He explained to us that he intends to spend the next few years building the strategy, working the language and connecting the grassroots together for, as he calls it, "a giant march on Washington.""

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/16/23109/8313

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[opihimoimoi]

39. God gave us DOMINION over EARTH, Plants and ANIMALS,

but we have failed in our mission of good husbandry/responsibility. Earth is in decline due to our misconduct and abuse.

The Bush and his Pubs are much to blame in continuing the decline. PHUCK all of them for they are rotten to the core. Pissd on them all.

Come, we go lua.

[tsuki]

42. If you have ever read any of the sky taxi books, it seemed to me

that they are pro-destruction of the earth to make it that more difficult when for us when the sky taxi swoops down and takes them to the clouds to watch us suffer below.

They have no reason to worry about air, land and sea.

[sendero]

41. All I can say is...

... Clark in 2008 :)

[mzmolly]

43. He's doing an outstanding job these days!

Go Wes! I love this: "The Religious Wrong" :toast:

[Cha]

46. "Like a Rooster crowing at sunrise"...

I love it! Good for Clark..I really like what he had to say.. Good luck with that National holiday on Election Tuesday.

[Totally Committed]

48. This was a truly awesome speech...

The rooster line was one of the highlights as far as I was concerned.

CLARK '08!

TC