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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:29 AM
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Who would vote for Dennis Kucinich?
Apparently, somewhat to my disbelief, my Bush voting, Fox watching, retired military Father-In-Law, who "wouldnt vote for a General" and thought "Dean sounded like a crazy man". Cant stand what Bush has done, and I believe represents a BIG number of Republicans who would take the Dennis alternative in a heart beat. All this, in spite of Dennis having such minimall TV coverage. Think about that.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:33 AM
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1. Maybe your father-in-law watches C-Span
Dennis is always good when he take the floor of the House. If your father-in-law would just hang in he might see some favorable coverage of all of the candidates. The "Dean sounded like a crazy man" is just off the mark.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:47 AM
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7. Nope Fox News 24/7
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 09:51 AM by tinanator
Hurts to visit.
I dont agree with the "crazy man" sentiment. I heard his howl that night as I sat here. I am just relating HIS comments.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:36 AM
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2. If I though DK had a chance of beating Chimpo
which, if we're honest with ourselves, he has less than a one percent chance of doing, I'd seriously consider supporting him. I love the guy.

I do hope that President Clark will steal Kucinich's Dept. of Peace idea and put him in charge of it.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:44 AM
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6. That's just pure malarky.
Bush cannot win en election, period. It didn't happen before and it won't happen now except through theft.

ANY of them can beat Bush.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:28 PM
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37. Wake Up Call
I think you are due for a nasty wake up call regarding George W. I heard people say the same sort of thing about Reagan in 1984. The left hated Reagan so much that couldn't comprehend the idea that millions of Americans loved him. I have an feeling that you are going to get the same type of lesson Mondale supporters got after they realized they had horribly underestimated their opponent.

George Bush is not an easy mark in 2004. Anyone who thinks he is isn't paying attention.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:40 PM
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39. Gimme a break
Reagan? How could you possibly think that a governor could possibly have inspired as much dissatisfaction on the national level as the great pretender squatting in the WH now?

Most people in America barely knew who Reagan was before he ran for President.

:eyes:
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:50 PM
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40. Trying Reading My Post Again
I was talking about Reagan during the 1984 election, after he had been President for three and a half years. I think its safe to safe that most people knew who he was at that point.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:52 PM
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42. LOL oops
But ... for real? Democrats thought Reagan was hated? What the eff were they smoking?!

Here in Texas they LOVED Reagan - nearly worshipped him as a God.

Democrats in the 80's were DUMB!
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:05 PM
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43. Yep
In the 1984 election lots of Democrats went around saying that everyone hated Reagan and that he didn't have a chance. Kinda like the people here at DU go around saying that Bush, with approval ratings in the high 50's and low 60's, doesn't have a chance.

The left is full of people that will never understand how the majority thinks.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:26 PM
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44. Awwww. I see your point, I do
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 02:28 PM by redqueen
But I also see what I perceive as the 'bigger picture'. Reagan presided over a booming economy at that point, and while he was awful, the people were happy.

Now? Not so much.

I see Bush's weakness not in poll numbers, but in reality and the comments I hear from everyday republicans. They really are tiring of him. The bush party loyalists will never hear a word otherwise, but they're a tiny minority.

Check it... while Reagan was popular for jobs & his affability, Bush has presided over:

biggest job losses since the depression
first ever war on the constitution (freepers hate this)
an administration that panders to both sides, alienating his base
the stifling of the investigation into 9/11 (freepers hate this too)
the alienation of our allies -- when was the last time that happened?

I could go on, but you get the point I think.

We truly are in an unprecedented situation, and I don't think I'm the only Kucinich supporter who considers this to be an unprecedented opportunity. :)
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iowapeacechief Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:44 AM
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25. No need to "steal" DoP!
"I do hope that President Clark will steal Kucinich's Dept. of Peace idea and put him in charge of it."


If he is not the President, Dennis would make a grand Secretary of Peace! Whether or not Dennis is the nominee, I hope DoP will become part of the Democratic Party platform, and I hope whoever we elect will create it.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:38 AM
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3. Kucinich and Edwards struck a deal?
I read in the Boston Globe today that Edwards and Kucinich struck a deal in Iowa. Kucinich would throw his votes behind Edwards. I wonder how often this type of thing happens and why DK and JE? sounds like an unlikely couple.

"Hours before the caucus vote, Edwards struck a deal with one of his opponents, Representative Dennis J. Kucinich of Ohio. Kucinich told his supporters to shift their votes to Edwards in precincts where Kucinich lacked the numbers to qualify for delegates. In addition, the Associated Press reported that Edwards's Iowa campaign staff circulated a memo instructing his supporters to attack other candidates during the caucus meetings."

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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:24 AM
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16. again with this?
A topic that's been beaten to death.

What happened was in districts where neither candidate was viable, the person with the fewer caucus goers was going to lend support to the group with the more. Dennis got a certain number of Edwards Delegates including areas where Edwards supporters helped him reach viablity.

Now, why? If you look position to position and at the way the race looked Kerry was going to win and didn't need the votes. He wasn't going to go to Moderates Gephardt or Dean (particularly after the long series of insults that Dean threw his way). That leaves Edwards whom Kucinich is friends with AND who has very similar ideas in the areas of health, educations, economic, class and social policy
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Namvet04 Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:50 PM
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66. I liked DK until he did that
Edwards is ok but I would think DK would giv them to Dean. I do not understand him.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:04 AM
Response to Reply #66
67. read my reply
Dean is NO Liberal, and Kucinich and Edwards make a good match
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:40 AM
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4. My guess is that people are more in the middle.
Now I think Dennis is a great Dem and speaks the truth but he just does not come out as someone to vote for. I do not know why but that most people must be in the middle range even in the Dem party. I still think that all of society is moving to wards the liberal side. World wide. Health care for all, fixed retirement and all that and the GOP right wing can hold it back for a while but it is a world wide movement that can not be stopped.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:49 AM
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8. Thats a guess, not necessarily correct
There are a number of ways to take apart that (rarely) unspoken assumption. You made a few of the arguments yourself. Social Security, single handedly should undo that malarkey. What, exactly, is the "middle"? By the way, I saw an incredible number of dead Skunks in the MOR yesterday...
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:25 AM
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17. worldwide
but not in the US. Here we're still being reactionary, and with increasing Xenophobia in the US (maybe not fear, but dislike) we're more likely to move more to the right
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lucidmadman Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:44 AM
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5. I would...
...his politics are closer to my own than anyone else in the race. And his personal 'beliefs' are, to the extent that I know them, appealing to me. But, it's gotta be ABB this time. A vote for DK would be a vote from the heart. When I think of PNAC my heart freezes...
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:25 AM
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9. I may very well write him in if doesn't get the nomination....
Kucinich is the only one of the dem candidates who remains unsullied by the Bush* administration, is a true progressive liberal, and represents EXACTLY where I'd like to see America's future lie.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:27 AM
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10. In the primaries a 'protest' vote...
...is fine. One democratic candidate will still emerge.

A protest vote (or protest candidate) in November would kill us.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:53 AM
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12. "A protest vote (or protest candidate) in November would kill us".
And potentially many of our servicemen!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:41 AM
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24. So, they're not being killed now?
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 11:47 AM by redqueen
n/t
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:23 AM
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15. Amazingly BOGUS premise.
If we nominate Kucinich because he best represents us and he becomes the DEMOCRATIC nominee, then how in the hell is a vote for the Democratic candidate in the general election a protest vote?

That is some screwed up logic.

TWL
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:33 AM
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20. What is it that you disagree with?
If Kucinich gets the nomination then HE is the Democratic candidate.
And if any other former dem ran as a third party candidate then THEY would be the protest vote.
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:55 AM
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29. You suggest a vote for Kucinich in the primary is a protest vote..
Then state that "A protest vote (or protest candidate) in November would kill us."

Which implies voting for Kucinich in the general is a protest vote.


Why is voting for Kucinich a protest vote when he best represents the people AND is a Democrat?

TWL
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:22 PM
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36. Because of his poll numbers...
...he's not attracting the voters. Nothing against the guy, he's just not going to win.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:11 PM
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50. chicken or the egg?
Polling the people who havent been exposed to the candidate is like asking a child about sex. That argument is specious, at best.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:20 PM
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51. Well put
Mind if I use that? :)
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 04:03 PM
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52. Scientific polling is usually VERY accurate...
...what were Kucinich's before and after numbers for Iowa?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 04:05 PM
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53. Key word: 'usually'
And that 'usually' depends on what? The method.

So:

What polls would you like to analyze?
What were their sampling sizes?
What were the MOE's?
How were the questions asked?

I could go on, but you see my point.

Polls are used to manipulate opinions more often than they're used to reflect them.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:05 PM
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58. I will re-ask the question...
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 05:12 PM by RoeBear
...what were DK's numbers before and after the Iowa Caucus?

According to this poll: http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=790

He's got a whopping 1% in NH. But at least that's 10 times more than my candidate has.
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. a more interesting result would be a comparison of ..
A comparison of Media mentions and coverage lined up with Poll numbers. Polls are not opinions they are mostly NAME RECOGNITION. Polls don't ask about issues.

TWL
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. And yet he gets less than...
...1% of the vote. A mere (minor)protest.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:26 AM
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18. -
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 11:27 AM by youngred
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:38 AM
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22. Oh yeah!?!
O8)
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #22
31. lol
was going to say something, but changed my mind

O8)
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:35 AM
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11. Kucinich represents a part of the Democratic spectrum
that has gone practically unrepresented since the assassination of Robert Kennedy: economic progressive populists.

Instead, the mainstream, particularly the DLC, has embraced the rich elites' version of liberalism, namely, being pro-corporate business but liberal on behavioral issues.

The Democratic Party began to lose the working class when it threw away the FDR legacy of looking out for the economic and social interests of the ordinary person.

This made it easy for the Republicans to stereotype the Dems as "Brie-eating, Chablis-sipping yuppie elitists" who despised the patriotic and moral values of the working class.

Kucinich represents a return to the New Deal roots of the modern Democratic party. That's why the elites hate him so much. They know who their worst enemy is.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:10 AM
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13. Yes. I believe republicans across the country will
line up to vote for Dennis Kucinich.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:14 AM
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14. That's odd
Don't get me wrong, I like Kucinich, but it's hard to imagine a previous Bush supporter diving that deep into the Democratic wing. I like it, but it sounds odd. I can't imagine, say, an ex-Kucinich supporter getting fed up with Kucinich and voting for Bush.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:03 PM
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48. Dave Horowitz was once a socialist
People change. Its really interesting. Oh and I would vote for Dennis Kucinich.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:08 PM
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49. Republicans get their jobs outsourced too, remember?
Republicans wouldn't vote for Kucinich for the Department of Peace, they would vote for Kucinich because he'll CANCEL NAFTA and the WTO.

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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:27 AM
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19. I wouldn't
It's not a manner of beating President Bush, although I don't think Kucinich could do that. Once he got into power he would have little power. You can't govern by fiat in a democracy; you have to govern by compromise. And I'm not sure Kucinich, for all his other worthy qualities, can do that.

Some of you might argue that the Bush administration is rulling by fiat; but while they are arrogant and cementheaded, they have to at least pay attention to getting congress and how their decisions will play out. I don't like to think about what they would do if they could do whatever they wanted.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:36 AM
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21. What has the Bush boys wanted to do
that they have not done? As far as I can see, Bush might as well be an autocrat, the results would be much the same.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #21
32. ANWR, PATRIOT II, Judicial Nominations, Energy Bill
there have been some victories believe it or not
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:39 AM
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23. Dennis gets half the Republican vote in his district
Last time he was re-elected, he got 74% of the total vote. His district includes Parma, an original home of the "Reagan Republicans."

Integrity, fiscal sense, and standing up for workers goes a long way with these Republicans - people who've been left out by the bloated government and obscene military adventures the PNAC Republicans have unleashed on us all.

Coupled with his tremendous appeal to the traditional democratic values wing of the Democratic Party, and his appeal to reformed Greens, Dennis is the real unbeatable candidate against Bush.

Read more about it at:

http://kucinich.us/electable.php

Fear Ends
Hope Begins
Kucinich 2004


Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:45 AM
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27. Absolutely right!
If people would just cut the bullshit and actually listen to what he has to say, a real majority of them would agree with him on most points. People are blinded by the propaganda, by the anti-intellectual smear job that has put "liberalism" behind the eight ball for decades. Don't react in a blind, deaf, and dumb, knee-jerk fashion - listen and pay attention. It's the only way to fight back against the Rovian-neocon-artists.
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:44 AM
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26. I respect and admire, but can't vote as unelectedable
I'm sorry. Hell, I changed my registration from Independent to Democrat in the 80s to support Jackson. But now I think that we seriously need to Beat Bush.

I am supporting Dean (which, in some ways, is a gamble in this regard. However, it's not as big a gamble as supporting Dennis.

Sorry, but as my Trotskiest friends in college in teh 70s would say, the "objective conditions" aren't right for the DK Revolution in America.

I hope DK doesn't neglect his own Congressional re-election this year. We need him in the House as its conscience just as we needed Paul Wellstone.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:46 AM
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28. I would!
And I'm not surprised to hear your Republican father-in-law would, either.

His opposition to NAFTA / WTO, most favored nation status for China, waste at the pentagon, and liberty-crushing anti-terrorist bills are all fat juicy red meat to some conservatives. Hell, part of the republican party platform here in Texas is to get out of NAFTA and the WTO. I wonder how many Republicans would find that plank irresistable to resist, especially after 9+ more months of job losses and factory shut-downs.
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nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:59 AM
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30. 
The problem is, he is not nominatable. It is not the general public that must be convinced that he has the makings of a fine President, it is the members of the Democrat Party that need to be convinced.
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #30
34. ding ding ding winner!
TWL
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:13 PM
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35. I usually bristle when I read "Democrat Party"
But for some reason it seems to be fitting in your statement.

:)
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:37 PM
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38. Cut to the chase
why don't you! Wow, you are just right on with that. Everyone says he just isn't getting heard, nominate the man and he will be heard. Just give it up and vote for him in the primary if you like him. What can it hurt? It can help a great deal.
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iowapeacechief Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #30
41. Surviving the Iowa high hurdle at all...
was a very good start.

Given the front-loaded schedule, the electability worry was always in play. Our 15-percent-viability test was a terrible place to have to start from near-zero visibility, but DK is still moving. It's too early to count him out.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:03 PM
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57. Amen sister!!!
Its the people in Dennis' own party that are the worst.....exactly...not "nominatable".....

As someone stated above....the only way Bush got "elected" was to steal it!

I will be votng for Dennis on Feb 3. as a matter of fact we have the "Steps for Peace" walkers in our town that day and have lots of fun things planned for Dennis on the way to the polls!!!

http://www.kucinich.us/walkfordennis/itinerary.php

Peace & hope
DR
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:11 PM
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33. I would
in a heartbeat. He is the only one representing a real change.
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:28 PM
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45. Me - thats who -nt-
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:00 PM
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46. I would
As a matter of fact is I was younger and less cynical, Kucinich would have been my first choice, rather than Kerry. If I was idealistic again, I would be a Green. But I remember that Nader said that Kucinich was the candidate who was most like him,. and Kerry was the most electable candidate who held closest to the Green platform, so I go for Kerry. Besides he has the most liberal record of all of the candidates, nad has been the most active in going after Republicans and special interests in Washington, and the DLC has found itself going nuts trying to figure out how they could run Kerry on a centrist platform because centrist he pretty much isnt, and he has opposed most of the Washington Insider stuff for his entire career. WHen he went after Reagan every moderate Democrat in the Senate said that would be the end of his career as the Reagan team would destroy him. Didnt work.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:02 PM
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47. DK could get Perot voters and Buchanan fans
If the party was behind him, we could bury the GOP for a generation on economic issues alone. It's about the JOBS, stupid!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 04:05 PM
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54. I'm voting for Dennis Kucinich February 17th in WI. primary
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 04:20 PM
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55. Please, I wish.
That's a complete joke. Edwards would get some Republicans. I know that because I hear them call in on c-span all the time. But com'on, can you imagine a Republican voting for a Vegan? Most of them don't even know what a vegan is. But Republicans don't vote for people who don't eat "Good ol' hot dogs". I wish they did but they don't!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 04:22 PM
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56. You're calling her a liar?
That's awful.

I've met Republicans here in Texas that liked his anti-NAFTA, pro-family farmer stances. I guess they figured that's more important than his eating habits. :shrug:
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nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:16 PM
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59. 
Which Gore states do you think Congressman Kucinich would lose if he were the Democratic nominee? Which Gore voters would decide that George Bush would make a better president?
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:07 PM
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62. The better question is...
...how many people who voted for Gore would just stay home on election day if DK was the nominee?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:17 PM
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63. None.
Unless they enjoyed Florida 2000 and want to see a repeat.

The "I'll just sit home, pout, and not vote at all (or vote 3rd party) if ___________ gets the nomination" meme is in bizarre contrast to the "Electability is the most important factor," isn't it?

Nobody is electable if people cut off their noses to spite themselves.

All of them are electable if democrats vote. After 2000, what democrat would want to roll over for George W. Bush? What Gore voter would want a second helping?
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snoochie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:30 PM
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64. ME!
And my mom, and my dad, and my brothers and sister, and my cousin, and her husband. :)

That's all I have in the bank now, anyway, but I'm workin on it!
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:46 PM
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65. I just might
Not!
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:04 AM
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68. thanks for your cheery and optimistic opinion
NOT!

mature ain't it?
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:11 AM
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69. Military Families who want there loved ones home alive
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 08:17 AM
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70. And those who have lost theirs to War and Terrorism
Too big a price for a lesson others refuse to learn.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 08:41 AM
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71. My Dad, too
Surprising!! I think this is the first time we have ever agreeed things of a political nature! :)
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:39 AM
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72. shout it out loud enough
for the "centrists" to hear it.
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snoochie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:16 PM
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73. Kick
If what I read here is right (don't remember who said it, sorry) that NH voters care more about healthcare than any other issue... we may just see a (bigger) surprise than in Iowa.

Go Kooch!

:party:
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