this is also pulled directly from the DLC website

[ulysses]

First and foremost, we need to bridge the trust gap on national security by spelling out our own offense against terrorism and clearly rejecting our anti-war wing, so that Republicans can no longer portray us as the anti-war party in the war on terrorism. We must leave no doubt that Michael Moore neither represents nor defines our party.

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253054&kaid=127&subid=173

Most rank-and-file Democrats, of course, are just as patriotic and zealous about vindicating our national honor as any Republican. But let's be honest: Cultural elites with influence in the party often give off more than a whiff of fashionable anti-Americanism. They tend to equate patriotism with jingoism, see America more as a global bully than as a victim of a terrorist conspiracy, haul out the tired Vietnam metaphor anytime U.S. troops encounter difficulty abroad, and are as hypercritical of America's faults as they are forgiving of those of our adversaries.

Take Iraq. It's one thing to say, as many thoughtful Democrats do, that the war in Iraq was a mistake. But it's quite another to depict it as the expression of a new U.S. imperialism, or as a Bush family vendetta, or as a plot to grab Middle East oil, or, most ludicrously of all, as a pretext to enrich Halliburton. What leftish elites smugly imagine is a sophisticated view of their country's flaws strikes much of America as a false and malicious cartoon. And while heartland voters may be too reluctant to hear reasoned criticism of U.S. policies, they are essentially right in believing that America has mostly been an indispensable force for good in the world. So let the glitterati in Hollywood and Cannes fawn over Michael Moore; Democrats should have no truck with the rancid anti-Americanism of the conspiracy-mongering left.

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171

[bobthedrummer]

1. There are laws against conspiracy.

They need to be applied.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

63. Like arresting terrorists who conspire?

Sounds like a plan to me.

Quite frankly, every time I see one of these screeds, I say to myself - come on Al, it's not that bad.. Then I read the D.U. forums and am reminded that it is.

Of course, Republicans have their own "with friends like these..." types. That's what makes up the Top Ten Conservative Idiots. The difference is that the GOP owned press covers up for them even when they're top ranked Republicans. They don't cover up for Democrats, even when they're posting on anonymous message boards. The press bias is so bad, Skinner has had to publicly distance himself from anonymous messages!

And yes, I know. Most of you think a DLC essay that states the obvious - blaming America first doesn't sell well in the heartland - is "obviously Republican". But please, I'm begging you - do you really think that posting pictures of Bush in a clown suit is a argument that's going to convince someone who's undecided? Is it possible, just slightly possible, that some of our arguments are more effective than others? That maybe Afghanistan-Justified/Iraq-Not is more convincing than Poor Innocent Taliban/Imperialistic US-Soldiers Are War Criminals?

The DLC considers themselves the guardians of electability. And admittedly, they sometimes they go too far. At worst, their worries are used by the right wing to create false anti-Democratic perception, which is just as damaging as what they're criticizing. But they often have a real point. It's very easy to fall into an echo chamber where you think the public is stupid and hasn't considered your argument, when they have and just don't agree. And in any case, acting in an offensive manner usually hurts your cause more than it helps. I'm sure people in the D.U. can see this in the Florida Schiavo protesters; just consider that maybe it's sometimes the same with us.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[bobthedrummer]

65. You've been here as long as I have. The neo-conservatives, the "crazies",

the shadow government, the Cabal, the Vulcans in the administration of George W. Bush aka The War President, those are the real terrorists that despite warnings from all over the place about hijacked aircraft and Osama bin Laden they LIHOP, at a minimum to advance PNAC.

Some support exists for MIHOP too.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

68. You'll never convince me that Bush is secretly competent...

It flies in the face of all reason. And that's what LIHOP and MIHOP have in common. I mean really, are you seriously trying to tell me that a man who can't speak a coherent sentence is somehow the mastermind of an airtight plot with OBL to start a war? The guy too dumb to chew a pretzel correctly? It's just plain silly.

Not to mention, for 95% of Americans, very offensive.

(Oh, and please don't tell me any of the other "Vulcans" are any smarter than he his - "flowers at the feet of our troops" my ass.)

Again, unless you have 100% documented proof of something like this, it's best to simply let it drop. It's counterproductive. Regular Americans look at you like you're hyper-partisan kooks. And quite frankly, if you keep bringing it up absent an iron-clad case, you are.

Worse, it can make Democrats look untrustworthy. And that's the last thing we need right now, because there's real political reevaluation going on right now in the country.

Everyone is sensing it. Voters, who grit their teeth and voted for Bush on the basis of seeing the Iraq war through to the end, are finally becoming truly annoyed at the GOP. GOP fundamentalism seemed not so scary when it didn't affect them (just gays), but Schaivo scared everyone. Delay is obviously corrupt. And privatizing Social Security, which hurts even the American Pharisees in the pocketbook, just came out of nowhere. Nobody trusts GOP economic pronouncements further than they can spit.

All we have to do is remain sounding like grownups. Sure - we also need to forcefully represent our positions, but this tinfoil hat stuff doesn't do anybody (but the GOP) and good.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[nashville_brook]

67. you touch on something -- DLC = guardians of electability

maybe that's the worst part of it -- as long as anyone goes outside of The People, they have become empty gasbags. they refer to michael moore as if the only people who find condolence in his work are hollywood elites. that's not true. his movies aren't successful because hollywood elites buy tickets. they would have to purchase a thousand tickets a piece to explain his popularity.

i think the dlc carves an odd anti-populist argument here. it's roughshod. arrogant. it smells of desperation.

put a fork in it -- it's done.

[bvar22]

77. DLC = guardians of electability

Here's one now!

Joe Lieberman, darling of the DLC,
Leads the way for the New Democrats

[AuntiBush]

78. Liebermran NO DARLING to this Democrat

No way. DLC is inside the beltway. No wonder they say our party does not know how to define itself.

I say "don't buy into this crap!" It's a ROVE JOB! And to the one poster re Bush... all of us know his brain is not functioning the crap coming down the pike. Rove, Cheney, and the other henchmen.

Chimp is just a "transparent" showboy.

[wakeme2008]

2. Rove couldn't have written it better

:(

[Warpy]

10. I was thinking that, too

Why the hell don't they just join the party they already agree with instead of trying to wreck ours?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

62. precisely!.....exactly Rove and PnACers wrote it!

[mzmolly]

3. These people are NOT democrats, and have NO power within the party.

If they did, Dean would not be the DNC chair.

[ulysses]

4. they have more influence than you think. n/t

[mzmolly]

6. I don't see their influence NOW, but if they raise money for the Democrats

I'm all for the "big tent" shisa.

[MollyStark]

33. Even if that money comes with coporate strings attached?

What if those strings are anti-worker?

[mzmolly]

54. I said if they raise money for the "Party" ...

ie. the DNC. ;)

However, corporations are part of our democracy and thus should have a voice. That said, I feel that our Government should be "of by and for the people" thus workers must always come before such corporations.

The good news is - we really don't NEED corporations for fund raising any longer, though we do need them to employ said workers. And, in order to keep corporations in this country, we must give them a reason to stay. Democrats believe that when "we all do well, we all do well." That's what we need to remember.

In reality, we all are witnessing the changing of our party and politics as we KNEW it. We are watching groups like the DLC being marginalized before our very eyes. The Democrats raised FAR MORE MONEY from average "Janes and Joes" than they did from any and all corporate donations in this past election.

Enjoy it people, change is taking place. Now that we've marginalized corporations within the Democratic Party, what we need to hone in on are honest elections, and a "free press."

[Q]

40. They raise money for DLC 'democrats'...

...and not for the party in general.

And you would be mistaken to believe they don't have influence in the party. The Clintons, Kerry, Bayh and many others are members of the DLC.

[mzmolly]

53. The Clinton's are so yesterday.

;)

I think the Clinton's and those mentioned above are reasonable "centrists" these current DLC fools are pseudo-Republicans. Al Franken and others here are also card carrying members of the DLC, but the direction the organization has taken with it's current leadership is marginalizing them. Dean is also a "centrist" but he doesn't feel you should check your values at the door.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. Something I wonder about the DLC

Is there any way Dean can get rid of them? They aren't helping us at all.

[mzmolly]

55. He's marginalized them - and that's the best we can do really.

;) However, I do think we need them in their "marginal state" as I'm a big tentist who feels that Democrats should really focus on core values, and allow for differences on some issues.

[mikehiggins]

5. Fine. Who is Will Marshall?

It is nice to see that many thoughtful Democrats have some doubts about the wisdom of our Iraqi adventure. How very decent of them. It might have been better if they had stood up and said that before the first US boot touched Iraqi soil, but at least they are now willing to consider the idea that Joe Lieberman really doesn't speak for all dems.

Clearly, the DLC really IS GOPuke-lite. Take due notice thereof, and govern yourselves accordingly.

[libodem]

7. I don't like the tone of this one little bit

It does not ring, Democratic Party, to me in the least. i swear this sound like some Republican, mole, wrote that crap. I'm getting my tinfoil hat on, with and extra layer or two. I think that organization, sounds like it has been invaded, by Republicans, to split the party. :tinfoil hat:

[Eloriel]

18. You're on the right track

there's a lot more here (tho some of it's a little buried). Worth the wade-thru tho, IMO. Anyone sticking up for the DLC is either ill-informed of has an agenda.
DLC
The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves. -- Lenin

Democrats for Wolfowitz
(see Tinoire's post #20 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1687818&mesg_id=1688529 )
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1687818&mesg_id=1687818&page=

LINKS - What every DUer and every Dem needs to know about the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4443&forum=DCForumID22&archive=

Let's be REALLY honest about the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=23262&forum=DCForumID60&archive=


Outing the "New Democrats" -- Pukes in Progressive Clothing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1435&forum=DCForumID34

Everyone who is a fan of the DLC, needs to read this post,
(Devils Advocate NZ's post is included)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=11323&forum=DCForumID60#114

Kerry, the New Democrats, and American Military Hegemony
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=326015#326061

New Dems formed to get corporate donors, be free from party base ideology
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1346735&mesg_id=1346735&page=

Ask the questions NOW of the DLC and Clinton. Corporate funding.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1372759#1373432

New Dems formed to get corporate donors, be free from party base ideology.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1346735&mesg_id=1346735


(OMG! The PNAC/DLC Connection!)No More Moore: DLC Joins the Witch-Hunt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2784312
Link: http://nypress.com/17/48/news&columns/taibbi.cfm

"We've got to repudiate, you know, the most strident and insulting anti-American voices out there sometimes on our party's left... We can't have our party identified by Michael Moore and Hollywood as our cultural values."
— Al From, CEO, Democratic Leadership Council

"You know, let's let Hollywood and the Cannes Film Festival fawn all over Michael Moore. We ought to make it pretty clear that he sure doesn't speak for us when it comes to standing up for our country."
— Will Marshall, President of the Progressive Policy Institute, the think-tank of the DLC

>snip<

In addition to his duties as the president of the PPI, Marshall kept himself busy in the last few years. Among other things, he served on the board of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, an organization co-chaired by Joe Lieberman and John McCain whose aim was to build bipartisan support for the invasion of Iraq.

Marshall also signed, at the outset of the war, a letter issued by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) expressing support for the invasion. Marshall signed a similar letter sent to President Bush put out by the conservative Social Democrats/USA group on Feb. 25, 2003, just before the invasion. The SD/USA letter urged Bush to commit to "maintaining substantial U.S. military forces in Iraq for as long as may be required to ensure a stable, representative regime is in place and functioning."

One of just a handful of Marshall's co-signatories on that letter was Bruce Jackson, who also happens to be the head of the PNAC (whose letter Marshall also signed) and the founder of the aforementioned Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Jackson is not only a neo-con of high rank and one of the chief pom-pom wavers for the war effort. He was also a vice president in the weapons division of Lockheed-Martin between 1993 and 2002—meaning that he was one of the implied targets of Bowling for Columbine, which came out in Jackson's last year with the company.

Clearly, Marshall was thinking about the good of the Democratic Party, and not the integrity of his grimy little network of missile-humping cronies, when he and Al From made the curious—and curiously conspicuous—decision to denounce Moore, Hollywood and France at the DLC meeting in early November.


RIGHT WEB: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/org/ppi.php

Overview of DLC
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/marshall/marshall.php

PPI
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/org/ppi.php

[checks-n-balances]

21. Totally puke-inducing

They sound like my-way-or-the-highway types - descendents of the Scoop Jackson Democrats, just like lots of the other PNACers. I guess they like the GOP Soc. Security "plan" (to destroy it, that is) as well as the recent Bankruptcy Bill.

Great.

[mogster]

37. Nice summary. Bookmarked!

And recommended ;-)

[inchhigh]

52. Thank you for this post.

I pay attention well enough to know that the DLC does not represent me. I didn't realize that they do actually oppose me.

[Catt03]

8. Maybe those looking for votes need to know that if they are

DLC...we say no.

They think we hate Bush enough to take anything. That is not how I feel.

Who is in DLC that has been mentioned for President?

Feingold
Clinton
Edwards

[NAO]

9. And the DLC asks, "Why do they hate us?"

[democrank]

11. This should be a real eye-opener

for some of the posters here who still think the DLC is on our side.

[smoogatz]

12. DLC=Democrats Lose Continually

But that's okay, because they can always blame it on Michael Moore. What a bunch of pathetic corporate ass-kissing losers. "It's one thing to say, as many thoughtful Democrats do, that the war in Iraq was a mistake. But it's quite another to depict it as the expression of a new U.S. imperialism, or as a Bush family vendetta, or as a plot to grab Middle East oil, or, most ludicrously of all, as a pretext to enrich Halliburton." Okay--how about all of the above?

[FreedomAngel82]

15. It is all of the above

Those who are denying it are only fooling themselves. They should check out the latest Greg Palast segment on Iraqi oil.

[tsuki]

79. Villify Michael Moore and praise Halliburton? These guys are

becoming so transparent. I am waiting for the day they come out of the closet and say "Vote Republican."

[kentuck]

13. We must fight wars when we have to....

Not agree with the Republicans that this was a necessary war. We beleive in a strong defense, but the war in Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with defending our country. If the DLC suggests that, they are mistaken.

[cornermouse]

16. What's wrong with the truth?

A presidential policy that approves of pre-emptive strikes and torture is immoral.

Seems pretty clear-cut to me.

[Dhalgren]

17. The DLC and anyone who belongs to it or supports it

has only one job - ruin the Democratic Party. They have come damned close and are doing their best to finish it off, all together. Right now, we need a good old fashioned party purge. In the short haul, it might deplete us, but in the long run it will enable us to win back this country.

[welshTerrier2]

19. "They tend to equate patriotism with jingoism"

first, let me offer a "culturally elite" FUCK YOU to the DLC and anyone who supports them ...

second, let's note that the so called "Democratic Leadership Council" is nothing but divisive ... I thought Party "leadership" would be about searching for unity in the Party ... doesn't really seem like that's the DLC's primary mission, does it??

now, about this bullshit that those of us on the left who criticize the US role in Iraq UNDER bush and the neo-cons are anti-American, let me offer another "culturally elite" FUCK YOU to the DLC ... we are not anti-American, asshole ... we are opposed to bush and the neo-cons and their imperialistic policies ...

that's where the DLC seems to get confused ... they conflate opposition to bush and the neo-cons with anti-Americanism ... when an evil force gains control of the levers of power, they must be opposed ... these DLC appeasers apparently think it's their job to endorse the insanity bush is doing in Iraq ...

you want to talk about anti-American, how about promoting the idea of a one-party system at a time that America's stature in the world has suffered the greatest damage due to the the wrongness of bush's foreign policy ... and i just love the phrase "tired Vietnam metaphor" ... of course, history is either instructive about the present or it is not ... history does not get "tired" ... what's instructive about the Vietnam metaphor is that American troops are dying in Iraq ... what's instructive is that the countries of Southeast Asia did not fall like "dominoes" ... what's instructive is that the Vietnam war polarized America ... what's instructive is that there was never an exit strategy and the war dragged on for years ... and perhaps what's most instructive is that America intervened where it never belonged and we paid a tragic price as a nation ...

for some reason, the DLC seems unable to see that America has been sold down the river to corporate interests ... pharmaceutical companies write the health care laws ... oil companies write the pollution standards and rape the national parks ... corporations are indemnified against legitimate lawsuits ... everything bush and the neo-cons have done since seizing power has been done for the benefit of trans-national corporations ... absolutely fucking everything ... but From and Marshall and all the other tiny brains at the DLC just can't see it ... the rest of us are just a bunch of pinko conspiracy theorists ...

Democrats have a choice to make and they better make it soon and they better make it forcefully ... throw these fucking right-wing assholes out of the Democratic Party ... this is not about making nice ... the DLC has infiltrated the Party with right-wing ideology ... we have no hope of gaining ground as long as they exert any influence at all ... we need to oppose the bush / neo-con agenda; not support it ...

oh, and did i remember to offer a "culturally elite" FUCK YOU to the DLC ???

[ulysses]

20. remember, it's only "culturally elite"

if you're sticking out your pinky finger while drinking your beverage of choice in the basement where you've been playing video games all day. :D

[bvar22]

22. Recommended for Greatest.

Needs another recommendation.

The threat from within our Party is more dangerous and than the threat from the republicans. These people must be exposed!

[ulysses]

23. thanks. I just wish

that our DLC apologists would engage us a little more here.

[welshTerrier2]

24. me too ... but 3 votes are needed ...

i agree with you ...

DU'ers can argue all day about the DLC but posting articles from the DLC website provides the most accurate view (i.e. exposes them) of exactly what these "Democrats" believe ...

it will be interesting to see whether Dr. Dean tries to whip these jackasses into line ... the second article in the base post (didn't check the first one) was from 12/05 before Dean became DNC Chair ... apparently Mr. McCauliffe had nothing to say about their "leadership" ...

[jonnyblitz]

25. i will recommend right now.

:hi:

[ulysses]

26. thanks, jonny

:hi:

[jonnyblitz]

28. no problem.

I am with all of you on this. (:kick:) :hi:

[welshTerrier2]

27. sure ... great ...

hop in at the last minute to hog all the glory ...

[ulysses]

29. LOL

We love you too, Terrier. :D

[jonnyblitz]

32. do i get a toaster oven?

:P

[ulysses]

30. a little kick

just for Writer.

[Kimber Scott]

31. Conspiracy Mongering vs. War Mongering?

Hmmmm.... Well, let me think... Ah, what the hell! Let's nuke somebody!

(just kidding)

[Writer]

34. Oh no! An opposing opinion!

We can't have THAT in the Democratic Party! :O

[mzmolly]

58. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[AllyCat]

35. How do we find out who's in the DLC?

I can believe Edwards and Clinton, but frankly, Feingold suprises me. (That said, I still don't think he should run for Prez...no more senators for POTUS.) But he has always been so, anti-war...

Who else is in this cabal?

[Q]

43. The List...

The New Dem Directory


Jim Aldinger, Council Member, Manhattan Beach CA

Patrice Arent, State Senator, UT

David Aronberg, State Senator, FL

Toni Atkins, City Councilmember, San Diego CA

Loranne Ausley, State Representative, FL

Som Baccam, School Board Member, Des Moines IA

Brian Baird, U.S. Representative, WA

Thurbert Baker, State Attorney General, GA

Brenda Barger, Mayor, Watertown, SD

Gonzalo Barrientos, State Senator, TX

Viola Baskerville, State Delegate, VA

Max Baucus, U.S. Senator, MT

Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator, IN

Ralph Becker, State Representative, UT

James Bennett, City Council, St. Petersberg FL

Shelley Berkley, U.S. Representative, NV

Ethan Berkowitz, House Democratic Leader, AK

Barbara Blanchard, County Legislator, Tompkins County NY

Patrica M. Blevins, State Senator, DE

Marty Block, Community College Trustee, San Diego CA

Alice Borodkin, State Representative, CO

Lisa Boscola, State Senator, PA

Betty Boyd, State Representative, CO

David Braddock, State Representative, OK

Daniel Brady, State Senator, OH

Zach Brandon, City Councilmember, Madison WI

Bob Brink, Delegate, VA

Matt Brown, Secretary of State, RI

Don Brown, Jr., City Councilman, Louisville, CO

Polly Bukta, State Representative, IA

Cruz M. Bustamante, Lieutenant Governor, CA

Robert Butkin, State Treasurer, OK

Thomas Campbell, State Delegate, WV

Jane Campbell, Mayor, Cleveland OH

Roberto Canchola, Superintendent of Schools, Santa Cruz Co., AZ

Maria Cantwell, U.S. Senator, WA

Lois Capps, U.S. Representative, CA

Twanda Carlisle, Council Member, Pittsburgh PA

Russ Carnahan, U.S. Representative, MO

Tom Carper, U.S. Senator, DE

Adolfo Carrion, Borough President, Bronx NY

Karen R. Carter, State Representative, LA

Ed Case, U.S. Representative, HI

Ben Chandler, U.S. Representative, KY

Ken Cheuvront, State Senator, AZ

Carol Chumney, Council Member, City of Memphis TN

Paul Clark, Town Supervisor, West Seneca NY

Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator, NY

Martha Coakley, District Attorney, Middlesex County MA

Steve Cohn, City Councilmember, Sacramento CA

Michael Coleman, Mayor, Columbus, OH

Fran Coleman, State Representative, CO

Kent Conrad, U.S. Senator, ND

Christopher Coons, Council President, New Castle Co., DE

Roy A. Cooper III, Attorney General, NC

Lou Correa, Supervisor, Orange County CA

Cathy Cox, Secretary of State, GA

Joseph Crowley, U.S. Representative, NY

J. Joseph Curran, State Attorney General, MD

Lou D'Allesandro, State Senator, NH

Ruth Damsker, County Commissioner, Montgomery Co., PA

Jim Davis, U.S. Representative, FL

Ray Davis, Registrar, Stafford County VA

Artur Davis, U.S. Representative, AL

Susan Davis, U.S. Representative, CA

Sergio De Leon, Constable, Tarrant County TX

Ryan Deckert, State Senator, OR

Rocky Delgadillo, City Attorney, Los Angeles, CA

Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator, CT

Byron Dorgan, U.S. Senator, ND

Jim Doyle, Governor, WI

Doug Duncan, County Executive, Montgomery County MD

Joseph Dunn, State Senator, CA

Michael Easley, Governor, NC

Doug Echols, Mayor, Rock Hill SC

W.A. Drew Edmondson, State Attorney General, OK

Rahm Emanuel, U.S. Representative, IL

Eliot Engel, U.S. Representative, NY

Bob Etheridge, U.S. Representative, NC

Robert Faucheux, State Representative, LA

Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA

John Fernandez, Mayor, Bloomington IN

Barry R. Finegold, State Representative, MA

Eric Fingerhut, State Senator, OH

Joan Fitz-Gerald, State Senator, CO

Michael L. Fitzgerald, State Treasurer, IA

Jamie Fleet, City Councilman, Gettysburg PA

Elizabeth G. Flores, Mayor, Laredo, TX

Dean Florez, State Assemblymember, CA

Romanie Foege, State Representative, IA

Harold Ford, Jr. , U.S. Representative, TN

Dan B. Frankel, State Representative, PA

Shirley Franklin, Mayor, Atlanta GA

John A. Fritchey, State Representative, IL

Douglas F. Gansler, State's Attorney for Montgomery Co., MD

Michael Garcia, State Representative, CO

Steven A. Geller, State Senator, FL

Allen Jay Gerson, Council Member, New York City NY

Gabrielle Giffords, State Senator, AZ

Glen D. Gilmore, Mayor, Hamilton NJ

Michael Golden, Borough Council Member, Jenkintown PA

Ron Gonzales, Mayor, San Jose, CA

Phil Gordon, Mayor, Phoenix AZ

Ken Gordon, State Senator, CO

Jennifer Granholm, Governor, MI

Darlene Green, City Comptroller, St. Louis, MO

Ron L. Greenstein, State Representative, FL

James S. Gregory, City Councilman, Bethlehem, PA

Wendy Greuel, City Council, Los Angeles CA

Daniel Grimes, City Council, Goshen IN

Peter C. Groff, State Representative, CO

Daniel Grossman, State Senator, CO

Ken Guin, Majority Leader, AL

Bob Hagedorn, State Senator, CO

Karen Hale, State Senator, UT

DeAnna Hanna, State Senator, CO

Jane Harman, U.S. Representative, CA

Jeff Harris, State Representative, MO

Patrick Henry Hays, Mayor, North Little Rock, AR

Martin J. Heft, First Selectman, Chester CT

Robert Henriquez, State Representative, FL

Stephanie Herseth, U.S. Representative, SD

Thomas Hickner, County Executive, Bay County, MI

Brian Higgins, U.S. Representative, NY

Richard Hildreth, Mayor, Pacific WA

Debra Hilstrom, State Representative, MN

Rush Holt, U.S. Representative, NJ

Helen Holton, City Council Member, Baltimore, MD

Darlene Hooley, U.S. Representative, OR

Sam Hoyt, State Assemblymember, NY

Dave Hunt, State Representative, OR

Ross Hunter, State Representative, WA

Geri Huser, State Representative, IA

Daniel W. Hynes, State Comptroller, IL

Jay Inslee, U.S. Representative, WA

Thomas Irvin, Commissioner of Agriculture, GA

Steve Israel, U.S. Representative, NY

Michael Jackson, State Representative, LA

Gilda Z. Jacobs, State Senator, MI

Wendy Jaquet, State House Minority Leader, ID

Nicholas Jellins, Mayor Prom Tem, Menlo Park, CA

Evan Jenkins, State Senator, WV

Douglas Jennings Jr., House Democratic Leader, SC

Tim Johnson, U.S. Senator, SD

Robin Johnson, Alderman, Monmouth IL

Donald Jones, Council Member, Jefferson Parish LA

Patty Judge, Secretary of Agriculture, IA

Charlie Justice, State Representative, FL

Tim Kaine, Lieutenant Governor, VA

Steve Kelley, Senate Majority Whip, MN

Randy Kelly, Mayor, St. Paul, MN

John Kerry, U.S. Senator, MA

Lynn Kessler, State House Democratic Leader, WA

Kwame Kilpatrick, Mayor, Detroit, MI

Ron Kind, U.S. Representative, WI

Victor King, Trustee, Glendale, CA

Herb Kohl, U.S. Senator, WI

Richard Kriseman, City Council Chairman, St. Petersburg, FL

Annie Kuether, State Representative, KS

Rosalind Kurita, State Senator, TN

Eric LaFleur, State Representative, LA

Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator, LA

Leah Landrum Taylor, Assistant Minority Leader, AZ

Patricia Lantz, State Representative, WA

Rick Larsen, U.S. Representative, WA

John Larson, U.S. Representative, CT

Joe Lieberman, U.S. Senator, CT

Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator, AR

Duane E. Little, Assessor, Shoshone Co., ID

Alice Madden, State Representative, CO

Louis Magazzu, Freeholder, Cumberland County NJ

Dannel P. Malloy, Mayor, Stamford, CT

Matthew Mangino, District Attorney, Lawrence Co., PA

Jennifer Mann, State Representative, PA

Steve Marchand, City Councilman, Portsmouth NH

Jack Markell, State Treasurer, DE

Lisa Tessier Marrache, State Representative, ME

Rosemary Marshall, State Representative, CO

Barbara Matthews, Assembly Member, Tracy CA

Carolyn McCarthy, U.S. Representative, NY

Kevin McCarthy, State Representative, IA

Kevin McCarthy, State Representative, IL

Kenneth McClintock, State Senator, PR

Bill McConico, State Representative, MI

Matt McCoy, State Senator, IA

Sharon McDonald, Commissioner of Revenue, Norfolk, VA

Mike McIntyre, U.S. Representative, NC

Gregory Meeks, U.S. Representative, NY

Jules Mermelstein, Township Commissioner, Upper Dublin, PA

Dolores Mertz, State Representative, IA

Juanita Millender-McDonald, U.S. Representative, CA

Jonathan Miller, State Treasurer, KY

Tom Miller, Attorney General, IA

Doug Milliken, Treasurer, Centennial CO

Ruth Ann Minner, Governor, DE

Keiffer Mitchell, Jr., City Councilman, Baltimore, MD

Dennis Moore, U.S. Representative, KS

Richard H. Moore, State Treasurer, NC

Richard Moore, State Senator, MA

Jim Moran, U.S. Representative, VA

Karen Morgan, State Representative, UT

John Morrison, State Auditor, MT

Eva Moskowitz, City Council Member, New York City, NY

Keith Mulvihill, Commissioner, Mt. Lebanon PA

Charles A. Murphy, State Representative, MA

Pat Murphy, State Representative, IA

Ed Murray, State Representative, WA

Therese Murray, State Senator, MA

Janet Napolitano, Governor, AZ

Bill Nelson, U.S. Senator, FL

Ben Nelson, U.S. Senator, NE

Gavin C. Newsom, Mayor, San Francisco CA

Michael Nutter, City Councilman, Philadelphia, PA

Martin O'Malley, Mayor, Baltimore, MD

Michael A. O'Pake, State Senator, PA

Marc R. Pacheco, State Senator, MA

Alex Padilla, City Councilman, Los Angeles, CA

Alfred Park, State Representative, NM

Sally Pederson, Lieutenant Governor, IA

William Peduto, City Councilmember, Pittsburgh PA

David Pepper, City Council, Cincinnati OH

Beverly Perdue, Lieutenant Governor, NC

Eddie Perez, Mayor, Hartford CT

Scott Peters, City Councilman, San Diego, CA

Janet Petersen, State Representative, IA

Bart Peterson, Mayor, Indianapolis IN

Gregory Pitoniak, Mayor, Taylor, MI

Jeffrey Plale, State Senator, WI

Tom Plant, State Representative, CO

Charles Potter, Council Member, Wilmington DE

Debra Powell, Mayor, East St. Louis, IL

David Price, U.S. Representative, NC

Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator, AR

Brian Quirk, State Representative, IA

David Ragucci, Mayor, Everett, MA

Aaron Reardon, Snohomish County Executive, WA

Stephen Reed, Mayor, Harrisburg, PA

Ed Rendell, Governor, PA

Ann H. Rest, State Senator, MN

Joe Rice, Mayor, Glendale, CO

Graham Richard, Mayor, Fort Wayne, IN

John Richardson, State Representative, ME

Bill Richardson, Governor, NM

Joe Riley, Mayor, Charleston SC

Andrew Romanoff, State Representative,, CO

T.J. Rooney, State Representative, PA

Samuel Rosenberg, State Delegate, MD

Loretta Sanchez, U.S. Representative, CA

Sharon Sanders Brooks, State Representative, MO

Adam B. Schiff, U.S. Representative, CA

Jefferey Schoenberg, State Senator, IL

Allyson Schwartz, U.S. Representative, PA

Timothy Scott, Council Member, Carlisle Borough PA

David Scott, U.S. Representative, GA

Kathleen Sebelius, Governor, KS

Eugene M. Sellers, Vermillion Parish Engineer, Lafayette, LA

James Shapiro, City Representative, Stamford, CT

Kenneth Shetter, Mayor, Burleson TX

Ron Sims, County Executive, King County, WA

Scott Slifka, Mayor, West Hartford CT

Adam Smith, U.S. Representative, WA

Malcolm A. Smith, State Senator, NY

James Smith, House Democratic Leader, SC

Rod Smith, State Senator, FL

Eleanor Sobel, State Representative, FL

Andrew Spano, County Executive, Westchester Co., NY

Carol Spielman, County Board Member, Lake County IL

Eliot Spitzer, State Attorney General, NY

Debbie Stabenow, U.S. Senator, MI

Greg Stanton, City Councilman, Phoenix, AZ

Larry Stone, Assessor, Santa Clara County, CA

Peter Sullivan, State Representative, NH

Harvey D. Tallackson, State Senator, ND

Abel J. Tapia, State Representative, CO

Ellen Tauscher, U.S. Representative, CA

Charleta B. Tavares, City Council Member, Columbus, OH

Mark Taylor, Lieutenant Governor, GA

William C. Thompson Jr., Comptroller, New York City NY

Michael L. Thurmond, State Labor Commissioner, GA

Lois Tochtrop, State Representative, CO

Charles F. Tooley, Mayor, Billings, MT

Tom Udall, U.S. Representative, NM

John Unger II, State Senator, WV

George Van Til, Surveyor, Lake County IN

Juan Vargas, State Assemblymember, CA

Jennifer Veiga, State Representative, CO

Val Vigil, State Representative, CO

Michael Villarreal, State Representative, TX

Tom Vilsack, Governor, IA

Peter Voros, Mayor, Pittsgrove Township NJ

Lewis J. Wallace, State Representative, CT

Mark Warner, Governor, VA

Steven Warnstadt, State Representative, IA

Jonathan Weinzapfel, State Representative, IN

Jack Weiss, City Council, Los Angeles CA

Peggy M. Welch, State Representative, IN

Steve Westly, State Controller, CA

Michael J. Wildes, Mayor, Englewood NJ

Anthony Williams, Mayor, Washington, DC

Earnest Williams, City Councilman, St. Petersburg, FL

Suzanne Williams, State Representative, CO

Constance Williams, State Senator, PA

Sue Windels, State Senator, CO

Philip Wise, State Representative, IA

David Wu, U.S. Representative, OR

David Yassky, City Councilmember, Brooklyn NY

Caprice Young, President of the Board of LAUSD, Los Angeles CA


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[stevedeshazer]

50. And a list of the good folks in the Progressive Caucus

If you dislike the DLC as much as I do, these are your friends:

http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp

[AllyCat]

72. Proud to call Tammy Baldwin my rep

She's even won over my once conservative Republican fiance who now thinks she is one of the few in Congress with any guts. (We switched to the Green party to avoid relationship-ending arguments) :)

[stevedeshazer]

75. She is GREAT!

You are lucky to have her!

[sadiesworld]

44. Russ Feingold IS NOT DLC.

[AllyCat]

45. You're right! Finegold is not the same as Feingold

Glad to hear that. Thought that one was kind of hard to believe.

I see Evan Bayh is on the list. And the Gov of our fair state. Knew there was a reason I voted Libertarian in that race.

[MelissaB]

47. I didn't see Edward's name on the list below.

Is he and it has been removed? I'd like to know.

[LibertyorDeath]

36. They are Republicans

[hootinholler]

38. This is the chicken shit that lost Kerry the election.

This attitude is why he wasn't fraWd proof, he listened to these guys.

-Hoot

[KoKo]

59. so true.....n/t

[Pepperbelly]

39. Now this bothers me ...

"...patriotic and zealous about vindicating our national honor as any Republican."

Is he talking revenge? It sounds like it to me. I am pretty security oriented and what he is saying is just plain unbalanced and stupid. The DLC is trying to become relevant and not succeeding.

Then he said, "But it's quite another to depict it as the expression of a new U.S. imperialism, or as a Bush family vendetta, or as a plot to grab Middle East oil, or, most ludicrously of all, as a pretext to enrich Halliburton." If he wants to sway anyone with this crap, I think that he will have to establish why Bushco distorted the intelligence and lied us into war. Why did they do that? It surely wasn't because the admistration believed their distortions because they very clearly steered away from the bits of info that went against their pre-chosen course of action.

[donco6]

46. I reacted the same way to the same line.

National honor? Why don't we just reinstate dueling? And don't we have to have some honor to defend? After all the lying wrt weapons of mass destruction, I think our honor is at an all-time low.

[ClassWarrior]

41. If anyone ever wanted proof that these whores are a wholly-owned...

...subsidiary of the Radical Right Wing, I give you "cultural elites."

These people need to be smacked down.

NGU.

[sendero]

42. Yes you fucking morons...

.. that is why the plan to invade Iraq was hatched LONG BEFORE 9/11.

Thanks for confirming that you folks are completely uninterested in the truth, totally bought and sold and basically repugnant as human beings. I'd rather stay home on election day than vote for anyone who is as dishonest as whoever wrote this steaming pile of propaganda.

[Mutley]

48. this sounds like it was written by karl rove nt

on edit: lol.... and i'm not the first who thought so...

[bear425]

49. hmm...I guess I'm a leftish elite.

What leftish elites smugly imagine is a sophisticated view of their country's flaws strikes much of America as a false and malicious cartoon.

[Lerkfish]

51. wow....confirms my suspicions.

to even use the term "cultural elite", which mirrors the republican buzzword "intellectual elite", is telling, even without all the rest of it.

And, anyone who does NOT recognize this is about oil, should factor in BushCOs new aggression towards Venezuela. I mean, wtf? Why do we care AT ALL except for oil?

Its the OIL, stupid.

[mzmolly]

56. In all fairness to the DLC:

Take a peak at the comprehensive data on GW:

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=450007

While the DLC is not my personal cup of tea, I don't think that we become stronger by not allowing for discourse and diversity. We have a great victory in Dean as DNC chair, I am going to enjoy it. I am also looking forward to :kick:ing arse in 2006.

:toast:

[welshTerrier2]

57. "discourse and diversity"

but isn't that the very problem being highlighted in this post?

Dr. Dean and his followers have strongly advocated a greater role for the grassroots ... i trust the intent of this greater role is not just the opportunity to do more work and provide more money ... reforming the Party should have, at its core, giving greater VOICE to the grassroots ...

look at these two phrases from the BP and note that they embody the very antithesis of "discourse and diversity":

"clearly rejecting our anti-war wing"

"Democrats should have no truck with the rancid anti-Americanism of the conspiracy-mongering left."

the DLC is elitist and has no interest in sharing power (not yielding but sharing) with anybody ... the article in the BP clearly calls for the purging of the "democratic wing of the Democratic Party" ... and i don't think any real Democrats should have any "truck" with that rancid thinking ... do you?

[mzmolly]

60. They're entitled to their "marginalized" opinion.

Screw em' Dean won the DNC chair position, they didn't want him. Kerry won the nomination, they wanted Lieberman. WE proved they are just a nuisance, but I welcome the discourse because frankly it might attract others to the party and we need all the votes we can get. :P

[Q]

61. The DLC never 'wanted' Lieberman...

...because they knew he had no chance of winning. Kerry is DLC and he convinced them that he wasn't a 'redistributionist' Democrat and wouldn't ask for corporate accountability like Gore.

The DLC got the politician they wanted in Kerry. But he came off looking like he didn't believe in what he was saying...trying to follow his liberal roots and pleasing the Neocons/Neodems at the same time.

[mzmolly]

64. The DLC would have supported any Democratic nominee

at least in the "coming together" phase of the election. Kerry was "acceptable" to them, but they did not endorse him, they endorsed Lieberman early on.

[Dr Fate]

66. I say we sit out volunteering in 2006 and lets see what they can do.

I'd love to see how many swing-voters and centrists show up to do campaigning, door knocking, precint walks, phone banks, etc for these DLC types.

just who does the DLC think is going to do all the work???

Good luck.

[bread_and_roses]

73. 2nd that, brother (n/t)

[Dhalgren]

76. That's how out of touch these squints are?

They don't realize that the very "anti-American left", as they call it, are the ones who march, and write letters and sign petitions and raise money and work like dogs for the Party? Which branch of the Fundamentalist Church of America and Death are they planning on helping them in '06? The DLC is only here to to be divisive and obstructionist. They should be ousted - and it won't make our tent smaller, it will make it bigger. The DLC can go to the Republicans, with my blessing!

[disgruntledloner]

69. Wow, I'm a leftish elite!

I work minimum wage and live in my parents' attic, but what the hell, in the zany world of the DLC I'm a member of the f*****g landed gentry!

[understandinglife]

70. DLC -- dumb, lazy, conservatives......... (nt)

www.missionnotaccomplished.us (a day to reflect on what happens when theocratic neocons are aided and abetted by organizations like the DLC to wage illegal wars, vaporize children, torture prisoners, steal elections, among other things)

[xchrom]

71. there's already a party representing those political views

they are called republicans.

exactly how is this not divisive tactic -- coming from ''within'' the party?

[Deja Q]

74. They are aiming for moderate repukes, which is okay...

The DLC is irrelevant anyway and their "me too" stance will only render themselves extinct. Good riddance.

They are aiming for those republicans who hate the reich-wing 'religion'; They are aiming for the those who are fleeing from the religious reich. And to do so they are urinating on us. Apparently it's okay to cast out the dissenters when there are more repubbies out there who hate the reich.

Gee, I got yelled at when I said I would never vote Dem again. I also changed my mind.

Seems like it's time to change my mind again, it truly is a ONE PARTY SYSTEM.

Did I mention that the status quo is not sustainable? Corporate america wants you to think it is and they're in the DLC's back AND front pockets.