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Tummler Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:42 PM
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Hardball: 2 Dem campaigns endorsing Repuke spin on Clark/Moore/AWOL
Did anyone else just see this?

Matthews was interviewing their guy in the post-debate "spin room," and Tweety asked what dirt the campaigns were shoveling on each other in the wake of the debate.

Tweety's man in the field said that the campaigns of TWO (unnamed) Democratic candidates were pushing the same spin as the Faux whores, Chris Matthews, Pat Buchanan, et al: that Clark should have repudiated Moore's "deserter" statements.

Tweety's man refused to identify the two Dem campaigns.

Please tell me that someone else saw this!

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poopyjr Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:43 PM
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1. Is anybody asking how exactly Bush ISN'T a deserter?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:46 PM
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4. They are ignorant about this matter --
apparently are unaware there was ever a controversy about Bush's National Guard Service. Unbelievable!
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:45 PM
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2. Damn, I missed it.
Seen it posted earlier, but I really hope Moore calls a press conference with all the evidence found by the Globe or whoever.

Either way it is a win/win for Dems, and definately lose/lose for Bush. Because it is true.

Let's keep this issue alive.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:56 PM
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21. I called ABC and MSNBC viewer comment lines,
and said that the AWOL info was a google away, and they should do some research and reporting --
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snyttri Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:01 AM
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24. Have the phone numbers handy?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:11 AM
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28. ABC, 212-456-7777; MSNBC, 201-583-5000 --
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:45 PM
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3. My guess is LIEBERMAN is one of them. Who's the other one?
??
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:47 PM
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6. Dean wouldn't do that.
It's Kerry or Edwards.
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:49 PM
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10. My guess is Kerry or Edwards for the other one
I'll apologize if it isn't
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Field Of Dreams Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:46 PM
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5. My guess would be Lieberman for one...
hate to even speculate on the other.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:48 PM
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9. Liberman for sure...
and then i'm going to go on a limb as say my boy edwards.which would piss me off to no end.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:26 AM
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42. My guess is that MSNBC made the whole thing up to stir the pot.
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Tummler Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:48 PM
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I rewound my TiVo and watched it again
The report happened at about 10:33 pm central (11:33 eastern). The reporter's name was David Shuster.

Tweety, like the rest of the whores, thought Clark's comments on the "deserter" issue were "devastating" to Clark, and he seemed pleased that the two unnamed Dem campaigns were piling on.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:20 AM
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30. Tweety is the most inept "pundit" there is. The guy is wrong..
100%. He's so wrong, he even voted for bush.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:48 PM
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7. I'm shocked, absolutely shocked
that candidates are playing politics in this establishment!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:48 PM
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8. Wonder if anyone in the know
on the repub side is starting to get nervous?
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:49 PM
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11. That really pissed me off
It was like they had no idea Bush was AWAL for a year! Like Mike Malloy says, I hate these people!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:49 PM
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12. Let me guess: Kerry and Edwards!
The same two Senators that are unconcerned about 9/11 cover-up.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:50 PM
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13. My guess
Lieberman and either Kerry or Dean. Lieberman for his "hawk" base, Kerry - well, I don't know, maybe for his "veteran" base? I mean, Kucinich or Sharpton? No way. Dean? Payback for the "skiing" comment? Dunno.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:52 PM
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14. It could be Edwards
claiming to keep the high road.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:52 PM
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15. I can say THIS with certainty:
I have a very good friend of mine who is a retired Brig. Gen. He was also the Adjutant general for his state's National Guard for quite a while. AGs do personel stuff. He is unequivocal that Bush went AWOL, then deserted and had his personel packet scrubbed. His "Old Boy Network"(Every retired Gen. has one...) concurs completely and regards Chimpy with the greatest contempt and loathing.

These guys seem to have some inside stuff that they cannot/won't make public.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:53 PM
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16. Mediawhores LIE. Why Believe Them
what could any of the Democrats gain by putting this in their campaigns?
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:54 PM
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17. well they will all be asked and have to give an answer soon
we will know
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Tummler Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:04 AM
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26. That's quite possible
I have no problem believing that the campaigns are pushing particular stories behind the scenes ... but I don't want to believe that TWO* campaigns actually want to use the (mythical) honor of the Deserter-in-Chief as a weapon, however weak, against another candidate.

*(As to ONE campaign in particular, I'd actually EXPECT it!)
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:55 PM
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18. I'll let our candidates speak for themselves, I don't need Tweety's help
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:55 PM
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19. Personally, I doubt Lieberman did it
besides, he is utterly without guile. I'd be looking elsewhere.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:34 AM
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32. Lieberman has been after Clark
for weeks & weeks.

He never misses an opportunity to blast him.

And worst of all, he used Drudge & RNC lies to attack Clark.

He is definitly one of the culprits.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:22 AM
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41. Perhaps, but Lieberman is not above being a sycophant
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:55 PM
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20. My money is on Kerry and Lieberman
Lieberman is to be expected, oh and I guess Kerry is as well.

Those rich Yankees always know how to twist the blade when the lower classes get too big for their station.

Kerry plays the political game the old fashioned way: to win.

Wait till this weekend when Teddy comes barnstorming through here. It'll be a circus.
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Tummler Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:59 PM
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22. Another possibility
It's always possible that Tweety's man was lying through his teeth to sow discord in the race. The media whores were obviously looking to stir up some candidate-on-candidate "action" tonight, so I wouldn't put anything past 'em.

Regarding the instant pile-on in the Faux post-debate coverage, it seemed to me that the whores were reading from the exact same script on this issue. The RNC fax machines must be workin' overtime on this one.

Notably, the AP story on the debate doesn't mention the manufactured "deserter" issue at all:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040...

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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:01 AM
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23. we will know tomorrow I bet because they will be asked
eom
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:02 AM
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25. Joe Trippi told Matthews that RNC operatives were trashing all Dems...
attempting to undermine them all.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:08 AM
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27. Gee. I wonder
which 2 Dem campaigns have remained unnamed? :grr:

If they are protecting the 2 campaigns...that story should never have been on....the names will come out soon. Can't wait.

Go, Wes!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:15 AM
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29. I'm sure the RNC is a little disappointed that the Dems didn't...
... trash each other in the debate, as was widely expected, advertised, and predicted.

Hell, one of AP's headlines right now is Dems Rap Bush, but Not Each Other in N.H.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it turns out these are Republican-based smears, to try to get some kind of negative "story" going into the crucial NH weekend ahead.

Put nothing past them. Nothing.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:29 AM
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31. Tweety lies!
don't believe this crap for a second
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:35 AM
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33. If two campaigns are pushing it
how will it go over in Dem circles?
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:38 AM
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34. Yes I saw it
and it made me sick.

I don't know who did it, but it stinks.
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LiberalBushFan Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:39 AM
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35. obviously not Kucinich or Sharpton
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 12:40 AM by foktarded
leaving Lieberman Kerry Dean and Edwards.
Lieberman is probably the first. And I think the other is probably Edwards, since I think Kerry has at least some respect for Clark and it would be too risky for Dean.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:51 AM
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38. I don't think
Dean would do this because he got a deferment and wouldn't want to go down that road again. It wasn't him.

That leaves Kerry, Edwards and Lieberman.

Lieberman doesn't care what people think about what he says, he would have said it on TV. Why stop now? Nope...not Lieberman.

It's Kerry and Edwards.



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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:30 AM
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43. Yup. Exacrtly what I suspect, too.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:43 AM
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36. cowards remain unnamed
cowards also make open-ended attacks without qualification. I wonder if they'll come clean and debate it. Or is all this more manipulation of the democratic campaign from repub talking heads and the media whores?
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:47 AM
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37. Well I wouldn't presume to name the two campaigns....
...But I'd guess their initials are DLC.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:52 AM
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39. You might have something
since it's sure getting hard to tell who is on who's side in the political world anymore.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:02 AM
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40. It's not that likely...
to be Kerry. Kerry has repeatedly brought up the fact that Bush didn't serve in combat, and he wants to use his own combat experience as an issue if he gets the nomination.

I think Lieberman is a given. This guy is shameless and was the first to claim Clark is a republican. Plus, Clark has taken many moderate voters that would have gone to Lieberman.

The other two possibilities are Dean and Edwards. Dean is possible in that he has no military record to speak of either and did try to get out of serving. It's evident he would not want military service to even come up as an issue during the GE were he to get the nomination...Edwards, also possiblity -- merely to "remain the nice guy", or "remain above the fray". Also he hasn't had any militry service either and likely wouldn't want that issue to come up. If it's Edwards I'd be extremely dissapointed. I've taken a greater liking to him recently.

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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:43 AM
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47. Isn't Lieberman calling someone a Republican kinda like....
...Junior calling someone an "evildoer"?
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:30 AM
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44. Moore has already jumped on this!! He's posted on his site a list and
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 01:32 AM by Gloria
excerpts of articles on Bush's AWOL and calls Jennings out.

This could backfire on these two campaigns because once again, they are ignoring the truth....and the truth is out there, big time.

www.michaelmoore.com

Thursday, January 22nd 2004
George W. Bush, A.W.O.L

In tonight's presidential debate, Peter Jennings said that I made a reckless charge about Bush being a deserter. The facts are the facts. The Boston Globe, The Washington Post, The New Republic and numerous other publications have all called into question Bush's whereabouts when he was supposed to be serving our country. The only thing reckless is how people like Peter Jennings refuse to report the truth.

"The question is, where were you, Governor Bush?" said Senator Daniel Inouye, Democrat of Hawaii and a World War II veteran. "What would you do as commander-in-chief if someone in the National Guard did the same thing?"

(List of sources and excerpts follows)
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:42 AM
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45. Lieberman and "someone else who isn't my candidate"
Why shouldn't I be like everyone else on this thread?

Seriously, I trust nothing that comes out of Tweety's beak. And you shouldn't either.
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fabius Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:42 AM
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46. I'm SO glad Jennings asked that question!
Now it's like Bob Boudelang:

"Our Great President is not a deserter so stop saying that!" :evilgrin:

The more they deny it the more it creeps into the public discourse.

Clark should have asked Jennings:

"So if you're the reporter, don't YOU have the investigative resources to check this story out? Tell us what you find"
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