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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:54 PM
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I've seen the Dean speech at least 100 times now
and i finally am willing to say that i think it is being way overblown. The more you watch it, the more inspiring it becomes and this is coming from a Clark supporter.

I don't care who the nominee is, just give 'em hell.
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:56 PM
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1. Each time I see it, it seems more and more NORMAL
He is smiling and laughing...it is fun, deliberatley over the top rabble-rousing.

People who attack it are either assholes or opprtunists, or both.

I say, give em Hell, Dean!!!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:57 PM
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2. .
:)
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:58 PM
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3. Me too. I hope they keep showing it.
It grows on you.

My only problem with Dean is that he apologized for it and said it was some kind of mistake. WTF? You don't apologize! Never fucking apologize! Who said that, Truman?



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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:59 AM
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39. When did he appologize?
He said on Diane Sawyer he was a little over the top but he did it, he owned it and he wasn't appologizing.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:58 PM
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4. My Mom, who supports Edwards, said it was overblown.
The first time she saw it, she said "Ick". But she has seen it so many times now it has become hilarious and she says it doesn't belong anywhere but on late night TV.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:59 PM
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5. It gets better with repeated viewing
But it did really shock me the first time I saw it, and I have sent Dean a decent chunk of change--he's still a good candidate, but that moment did really surprise me.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:07 PM
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12. Look at it this way..
(Disclosure: I'm for Edwards)


The Dean scream speech has caused the following:

1. The reporting on the SOTU speech lasted less than one news cycle. It pushed Bush off the front pages a LOT sooner than Rove wanted.

2. After a disappointing 3rd place in Iowa, more people are talking about Howard Dean than John Kerry and John Edwards combined. Look at the threads on DU!

It was Dean who was on Diane Sawyer tonite... not Kerry. It is Dean on Letterman tonite... not Edwards. It is Dean that was the subject of every talk show in the country the past two days... not Bush's SOTU.

the SOTU is already OLD news and the Dean story is becoming legend.


Keep in mind the following: Outside of the world of Cable TV and places like DU and FreeRepublic, VERY FEW PEOPLE could even name the Democratic nominees out in the hinterlands.

Now they ALL know who Dean is. His Q rating is up there with Brittany and Kobe right now and more than half of the population of this country doesn't even know who Kerry and Edwards are yet.

Dean may not win, but he is drawing major FREE MEDIA attention to the Democratic nomination process and perhaps clearing the mine field for the eventual nominee. Honestly, do you guys remember Iowa EVER mattering as much and being in the public eye as much in ANY past election season?

More people tuned into the Democratic debate tonight SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE of the Howard Dean "Scream" speech on Monday. And in tuning in, maybe many of them were introduced to John Edwards and John Kerry for the first time.


To quote Bruce Almighty, "It's all gooood."

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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:20 PM
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21. ha, great post!
thanks for the insight :-)
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:38 PM
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26. He has the spotlight, but now he has to do something
His poll numbers dropped in NH. That is partially because of Kerry's win and partially because as much as I think it is BS, his Rebel Yell hurt him. His an Indy racer and he needs to take a pit stop because a hose has blown. It won't take him out of the race if his crew can fix it, but he will need to do some fancy driving to catch up and retake the lead.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:59 PM
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6. I saw a lot of threads about people worried what other people would think.
I mean...come on, take a stand! People were worried about what other people would think when opposing the war last year too.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:00 PM
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7. If it isn't the knockout blow, then it may actually help him
Especially after the interview tonight, people will no longer pay attention to the media screeching about Dean and his "anger". If the public accepts his enthusiasm for what it is, then that takes a bullet out of Rove's arsenal.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:02 PM
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8. Thank you!
Finally!
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:03 PM
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9. I've only seen it once but it seemed very normal to me.
I know many had a severe reaction to it, but I didn't. It just seemed like a normal pep rally. I've seen so many done by others in exactly the same vein. He obviously wasn't angry, he was smiling, any idiot could see that.

I'd say either alot of people are easily unnerved or I've been to too many pep rallys.
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eileen from OH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:04 PM
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10. Just goes to show that it sometimes takes awhile
Remember when Bush did the aircraft carrier shtick and everyone was creaming their jeans and "oooooh, can you see this in campaign commercials?" Well, okay, none of US said it, but that was the pundidiotracy take. And then, with deaths mounting, and "bring it on" and shit like that it all of a sudden is the hugest embarrassment. You KNOW it won't be showing up in any campaign spot.

Not that they are content-comparable, but it's just that sometimes things that make a very, very, strong impression are given a second look. Precisely because they DID make a strong impression. And on second look, things are very different.

Already things are turning about this Dean clip. And I'm betting that is the vein in which it will continue.

eileen from OH
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:05 PM
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11. The more I see it
The more and more it seems totally innocuous. But they media gits have to justify their existence.
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keithkam Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:07 PM
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13. I don't understand...
What was he supposed to do? Hold his head down and mumble? He was just very energetic and riled up. Lieberman gets made fun for not being like that, I guess you can't win either way. If people choose to desert Dean for this, I can't say I would be surprised. We have some who was an alcoholic and crackhead for president...oh wait, he's born-again so it's all good.
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:17 PM
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19. Hey, Keith, you understand it exactly right!
And welcome to DU!

:hi:
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:20 PM
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20. Welcome to DU Keith nt
Edited on Thu Jan-22-04 11:20 PM by ColdnGrey
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:06 AM
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35. Yeah, Keith!
My sentiments excatly! :)

Welcome to DU. :hi:
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:08 PM
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14. They should devote an entire cable channel to it, and be done with it (nt)
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:34 PM
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24. Dean Speech TV - All Scream, All the Time
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:08 PM
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15. it's not much different than his stump speeches
just replace the states and yeeeahhh with "YOU HAVE THE POWER!" times 10
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:12 PM
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16. My mom talked to a woman who was at that rally
This woman said Dean's speech was the best thing he could have done for all the supporters in that room. She actually said: "It felt like he was giving us a big hug". Now I don't know how yelling off states can feel like a big hug, but the point is that he was there for them as much as they were there for him.



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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:49 PM
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30. I've worked for losing campaigns -- we could have used a Dean pep-talk!
Once our team got slammed 77-2. Our leader mumbled at us and wandered out. I was sorry for the youngsters who had put their hearts into their first campaign ever ... so I think it's cool that Dean was more concerned about perking up his supporters than about what TV viewers might think. For a crowd that's just worked all-out for weeks and had a letdown (plus the media yammering on about how their work had been wasted) -- if they're psyched enough to want to stick with the campaign, that's great.

As part of my work, I often have to lecture to rooms full of people who don't really want to be there. I do some pretty goofy, playful stuff to get their attention -- and it works. I can't even imagine how hard it is to re-energize a disappointed crowd, but it seems to have worked, in the case of your mom's friend. I understand what she means about the "hug" thing.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:14 PM
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17. I sort of liked it.....
It brought to mind a union organizer, which always warms my heart.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:16 PM
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18. *You Rock!*
:toast:
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:26 PM
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22. Always good to see a candidate pop a nut on national TV
It was funny and I hope he loses the nomination.

But if he wins, he has my vote.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:31 PM
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23. I think you're missing the point
We all realize that it was INTENDED to be a sort of pep rally but he was not in the proper state of mind to deliver that effectively. He was mad and upset as you would expect him to be and it showed. This is NOT presidential, it just isn't.

And if you were to watch someone being beheaded a hundred times it would lose some of it's shock value as well. But that guy would be just as dead. Its why that Pulitzer Prize winning picture of the Viet Namize guy getting ready to be shot was far more chilling before we were shown the video.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:38 PM
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25. I don't know about that...
when i first saw it, i was one of the first to say "its over for dean". The more I've watched it though, the more I've come to realize that it showed his fire and his passion and also his drive. The way he's handled it since has also been commendable.

Look i am FAR from being a Dean supporter, i just don't think that the speech should be his swan song.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:39 PM
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28. Thank you, if Dean is to exit stage left, please let it be because
his policies just aren't as sound as another candidate's policies. Let it be for a substantive reason.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:54 PM
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31. his reaction has been commendable
but lets face it, it was just the icing on the cake.

Horrible slide the last two weeks for a variety of reasons all sufficient to sink his ship, whacked in Iowa as a result and then he wraps it up in a manner unacceptable for a possible leader of the free world.

its not so much an event as a spiral.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:56 PM
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33. Like i said...
I'm not saying your wrong, but in my opinion, the speech shouldn't be the cause. Its unfortunate that it might.
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:03 AM
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40. It not what happened, it's what he makes of it
and it seems to me he is making the most of it. It'll die and he'll live. And come out stronger for it. Seems like everyone who deals with the media has to learn the hard way, they are a bunch of piranhas. No wonder they don't like the press-its not because they are trying to find out the truth but because they are all playing a game of 'gotcha'.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:39 PM
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27. Thanks!
:hi:
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sugargoose Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:46 PM
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29. is there a transcript of the entire speech?
I have a Dean supporter friend who wants to read it and see what all of the hoopla is about. I watched it but could not begin to remember all of it......Thanks
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:56 PM
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32. well for the 101st time
check out the animated "What if Howard Dean was a Muppet?" version of the speech here:

http://madblast.com/view.cfm?type=FunFlash&display=2918
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Brett Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:00 AM
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34. this is my favorite remix
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:28 AM
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37. Nice! I like that!
that's my favorite version yet
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ajacobson Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:16 AM
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36. I agree
When I first saw it, I thought it was the Mother of all Gaffes, but now I think it was pretty cool.

I'll go so far to say that Dean's my #2 now.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:13 AM
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38. His passion doesn't frighten me but it does frighten those who...
...control the media. Thus the spin.
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