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overground1 Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:32 PM
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Tonight Clark snatched the title of "unelectable" from Dean
It seems to me that out of the viable candidates, Clark is the only one who didn't get the memo that it's time to pivot towards the center.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:33 PM
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1. Huh?
So now Clark's TOO liberal?

it's so hard to keep track these days....
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:38 PM
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12. Remember The Tactical Doctrine, Sir
Edited on Thu Jan-22-04 10:39 PM by The Magistrate
Consistency is required only in the target; once the target has been selected, attack comes in any available direction, on any conceivable ground, without concern for whether the shaft launched now is consistent even with that of five minutes previous. Gen. Clark is Republican; Gen. Clark is the Democratic Establishment; Gen. Clark is a neo-con; Gen. Clark is too left to be electable...the only consistency is that someone wants Gen. Clark not to be the nominee.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:34 PM
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45. The Kerry Attack Korps are at it again!
The Kerry spinmeisters wasted no time on Faux to attack Clark for failing to disavow Moore's assertion that our AWOL Commander-in-Chief was... well, AWOL!
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:34 PM
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2. About as "Unelectable" as Bill Clinton!!
You're a riot!!
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ACPS65 Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:34 PM
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3. No
Dean will forever carry that mark.

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digno dave Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:34 PM
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4. Sorry,
that title is branded on Dean's right butt cheek for eternity.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:35 PM
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6. Dean and unelectable
is like porkchops and applesauce.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:35 PM
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5. Didn't see that
Clark didn't get the memo and didn't stand out. He waffled on the Michael Moore question too.

I like Al Sharpton again. Kerry looked strange. Is he doing something with his hair?

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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:36 PM
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9. i think i'm the only one here who missed it
what WAS the michael moore question? i didn't hear???
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:41 PM
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15. In Moore's
Edited on Thu Jan-22-04 10:42 PM by in_cog_ni_to
speech at the Clark rally he said Bush was a deserter from the military. Jennings thought Clark should have corrected Moore and Clark said Michael had every right to say what he said.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:47 PM
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23. good on clark for standing strong
bush absolutely WAS a deserter, why would they question that?



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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:03 PM
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27. Because it was a Faux debate
in every sense of the word. Faux took turns ripping on Clark for not "defending the President" (yes they used those words) for about 10 minutes after the debate.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:35 PM
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47. he didn't say it...Clark wouldnt say it
he said he's looking to the future
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:36 PM
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that Dean scream image of yours is disturbing!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:59 PM
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25. Very!
I hope it's not from his website.
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ALago1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:36 PM
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7. What the hell are you talking about?
I'm not being rude, I just have no idea of what premises you are basing your conclusions on.

Please inform all of us...
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RichV Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:36 PM
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8. What? Please explain.
He spent 90% of his time defending himself against personal allegations and explaining his past. Did he even have a chance to be right, left, or center? Only substantive point that comes to mind was the Patriot Act comment that civil libertarians of all stripes probably liked. That, and saying he opposed going to war.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:36 PM
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10. yeeeeeiiiiiiaaaahhhh!
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:36 PM
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11. Huh?
?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:39 PM
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13. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Got reality? :eyes:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:41 PM
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14. Only if the "deserter" moment escalates into a flap
Faux is fanning the flames. He got nicked on that one and a little blood is in the water. If the sharks pounce, it's over for Clark.

Only time will tell.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:43 PM
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18. I don't think so.
Clark COULD look at the information on the shrub being AWOL and set them straight. I don't think they want to do that.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:45 PM
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20. The AWOL thing is not a good issue for Faux to push
itcould turn around and bite them in the ass.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:14 PM
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38. Finally someone says it!
I try to read threads before repeating a point but frankly I think it is GREAT that Jennings asked. So what if the question was framed in the manner it was. Right now the kind of popularity the Dems are up against is that Bush is an honest man. He's not. For the TRUTH to come out about his AWOL status after the "mission accmplished" photo op WITHOUT the Dems bringing it up BUT FOX NEWS harping on it would be EXCELLENT!

I hope it gets asked at every debate.
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TomNickell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:38 PM
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53. Indeed. The charge is True Enough....
that * doesn't need it to become a big issue.

There is room to argue about the accuracy of the term 'deserter', but the facts are clear and not very flattering to *. If this question becomes a media frenzy, it hurts * seriously.

I think it is likely that Clark, a life-long military man, agrees with Michael Moore's term. As will many veterans.
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snyttri Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:59 PM
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67. It could get lots of the media on Clark's side against Faux in defense
of the press.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:00 AM
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72. Long term, you're right
Short term, it could put Clark in fourth place in New Hampshire which would do him in.
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overground1 Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:35 PM
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49. That wasn't him getting "nicked on that one", he was being marked
The sharks will pounce. The questions were all about signaling to the right-wing media where to attack. These will be the themes.

Should Clark survive the primary, he won't survive the general election. Dean and Kerry both looked much more resilient.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:25 AM
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71. Ah, I see your sig line has shifted
I like that new look. Let's have Dean back in stride again and it may be you convincing others. Dean was hilarious on Letterman tonight.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:14 AM
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73. The deserter moment turns out to be a Faux only flap
Clark survived the debate.
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feckerman Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:41 PM
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16. Most everyone did well..
Edited on Thu Jan-22-04 10:48 PM by feckerman
My thoughts:

* Edwards - not his best performance. He seemed a little out of it.
* Kerry - very focused on Bush (finally), I did not like how he avoided the hike on the upper-class question. Solid overall.
* Dean - His closing comments about the debate were excellent, while his overall performance was solid
* Clark - When he is on his scripted material (the stuff his campaign has reviewed) he does fine. You can tell when he steps off of it though.
* NonLiberalman - For all my negative feelings about him, he finally gave a great performance. He stole it I thought. Wouldn't vote for him if you paid me - but he did a great job.

Kus. looked old in the light - did not flatter him :)
I think most everyone has something to be proud of.

4 days and counting.
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annagull Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:46 PM
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22. lol, Non-Liberalman!
He was ok, until he started talking about how "just" this war is.
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Zech Marquis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:42 PM
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17. this was a big debate for Clark
and he did quite well for himself. I especially liked his plan to go through the Patriot Act, Tonight I salute him yet again! :toast:
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:44 PM
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19. Frank Sesno? is that you?
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:45 PM
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21. Sorry, but the four front runners are all very electable.
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overground1 Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:51 PM
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24. that may be true but we're talking about the "title" watch for it.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:04 PM
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30. The "title"? Shouldn't that go to Lieberman?
I'm sorry, but Clark did nothing to make him appear "unelectable" tonight.
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overground1 Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:15 PM
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39. Lieberman is very electable. Anyone who shares a stage with Moore is not
in American politics. Everyone on that stage HAS been elected, except for Clark and Sharpton, and it showed tonight.

But as for Clark, it's not what he says or does from now on. The media script will be the same, but the blanks are now filled with "Clark" instead of "Dean".

Watch for it.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:29 PM
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40. Clark has been a target from day one. And he's still standing.
Thanks for your concern though. :eyes:
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:40 PM
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54. Now I know you're just blowing steam.
Lieberman is not electable. There really no question about that.
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overground1 Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:45 PM
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57. If Lieberman isn't electable, then explain the "Senator" in his name.
When has Clark even proven he can be elected? What office?
Also, Lieberman tops national non-partisan polls. This is what it takes to win a nationwide office. Not just the Michael Moore wing of the Democratic (Green?) party.
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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:59 PM
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26. Clark was given crappy questions
The moderators never asked him a substantial policy question. If they did, I missed it.
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overground1 Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:03 PM
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28. sure, because Dean was torn down, Clark is the new target.
Clark will now get the Dean treatment. That is why he is the new "unelectable". Get it?
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:06 PM
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no you are correct.......... not one
but then they didn't hand that many to anyone. Freakin' Faux.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:04 PM
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29. I agree that he looked bad, but only because he was given REALLY
shitty questions. They were torpedoing him. It made it very difficult for him to get his message across.
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overground1 Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:06 PM
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32. just as they planned it. And it will work on the public. 2 down, 5 to go
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:07 PM
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33. It won't work on New Hamphire liberal Democrats
it will only help him. They like Michael Moore. Sorry if this blows your plans.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:32 PM
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41. He managed to sneak his message through as much as..
Edited on Thu Jan-22-04 11:32 PM by Kahuna
anyone else except Lieberman. In case you missed it, he said, Democrats are the party of family values. He wants to keep America safe and take care of the people.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:05 PM
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31. I'm a harsh Clark critic
and I don't think Clark cast any doubts on his electability tonight.
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:09 PM
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34. gotta say that means something coming from you HFishbine
Way to inject some objective honesty. Thanks.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:11 PM
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36. I do what I can
I'm getting more inspired to lead with my heart. ;)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:13 PM
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37. LOL!
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:33 PM
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42. Thanks H.
:D
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Demo Gog Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:09 PM
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35. Oh, I don't know...
I think Clark and Dean can both share the title of "UNELECTABLE."
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:34 PM
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43. "Demo Gog?" Anybody else thinking what I'm thinking.
:tinfoilhat:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:35 PM
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46. Clark proved tonight that he is a fighter, damnit!
He can take whatever the repukes dish out. That's my general!
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Demo Gog Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:37 PM
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52. I wondered when I would be accused!
I didn't think it would be on my first night. I'm no freeper, friend. Far, far, FAR from it. I like Clark and Dean. It was a joke.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:48 PM
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60. No one said you were a freeper...
:hi:
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:34 PM
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44. (cue Jaws theme) Dum dum, dum dum
Did Edwards say anythinig tonight that might just bite him in the ass? Think hard now.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:35 PM
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48. Ummm. Can't explain Islam..
He really "bobbled" that question.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:46 PM
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58. Was wrong about DOMA too.
But that's ok, because I still dig him. :-)
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:43 PM
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55. lol! I didn't think he did that great either. He is now being overrated...
on a consistent basis....
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:36 PM
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50. He can get away with it as a General and someone who gets called Repub
THAT'S what makes it so delicious. He can get away with anything....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:37 PM
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Demo Gog Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:45 PM
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56. I know I'm new...
but is there ALWAYS this much candidate-bashing. I'm mean, jeez. Let's not forget who the enemy really is: the black-hearted, anti-environment, anti-women, anti-minority, anti-gay, anti-labor union, anti-education, anti-health care, anti-medicare, anti-social security Republicans!
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:47 PM
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59. jchild *whispers* to demo gog
I think he's talking about the guy who started the thread.

Welcome to DU :toast:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:50 PM
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61. Your handle is the type of handle ...
freepers use when they come over to play. :shrug: Maybe you should change it. Just a suggestion.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:12 AM
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70. Hey, that was my thoughts when I first started here
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 12:14 AM by Anti Bush
but now I'm used to it. However I don't know if we are doing any of our candidates any good. The freepers must get a kick out of us all ganging up on each other. Hang in there though. After this primary we are all going to help our candidate win the election...not matter whom it is.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:53 PM
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63. Um... Hey Jack... Is That... Like... Allowed Now ???
Might wanna edit your subject line. Just a friendly tip.

:scared:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:54 PM
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65. Damn... Too Late !!!
I tried dude.

Peace!
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:51 PM
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62. God, here they go again.
Isn't it apparent what is going on here with the media whores. Their sickening routine is becoming pretty apparent. Now they are trying to destroy a candidate for telling the truth, the Pravda press ought to try it some time.
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overground1 Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:55 PM
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66. This is what I've been saying they did to Dean, Clark supporters denied it
and blamed Dean. Now the media has decided to turn their sights on Clark instead. Now we will see if Clark supporters are consistent.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:54 PM
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64. So somehow that means Dean is now electable?
Please.

Clark did just fine.

The one issue they keep talking about, him not 'defending the President', is absurd.

And I think people will see that.

They can only hurt themselves.

There are people on record admitting abuse of political power to keep AWOL out of Nam.

At best, his daddy kept him out. At worst he disappeared for a year during his party days.

We can only come out on top on this one.
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overground1 Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:00 AM
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68. It's not about "defending the President", it's about tying Clark to Moore
They are linking Clark to Moore, they will paint him to be a crazy conspiracy theorist. That is the objective. They will make Clark and Moore interchangable.
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Demo Gog Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:04 AM
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69. I think in general,
endorsements have not seemed to help ANY of the candidates. Gore, Braun, Bradley, McGovern, Harkin, Michael Moore... At least not yet anyway.
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