Tonight Clark snatched the title of "unelectable" from Dean

[overground1]

It seems to me that out of the viable candidates, Clark is the only one who didn't get the memo that it's time to pivot towards the center.

[Dookus]

1. Huh?

So now Clark's TOO liberal?

it's so hard to keep track these days....

[The Magistrate]

12. Remember The Tactical Doctrine, Sir

Consistency is required only in the target; once the target has been selected, attack comes in any available direction, on any conceivable ground, without concern for whether the shaft launched now is consistent even with that of five minutes previous. Gen. Clark is Republican; Gen. Clark is the Democratic Establishment; Gen. Clark is a neo-con; Gen. Clark is too left to be electable...the only consistency is that someone wants Gen. Clark not to be the nominee.

[IndianaGreen]

45. The Kerry Attack Korps are at it again!

The Kerry spinmeisters wasted no time on Faux to attack Clark for failing to disavow Moore's assertion that our AWOL Commander-in-Chief was... well, AWOL!

[West Coast Democrat]

2. About as "Unelectable" as Bill Clinton!!

You're a riot!!

[ACPS65]

3. No

Dean will forever carry that mark.

[digno dave]

4. Sorry,

that title is branded on Dean's right butt cheek for eternity.

[Joe the Revelator]

6. Dean and unelectable

is like porkchops and applesauce.

[joefree1]

5. Didn't see that

Clark didn't get the memo and didn't stand out. He waffled on the Michael Moore question too.

I like Al Sharpton again. Kerry looked strange. Is he doing something with his hair?

[newsguyatl]

9. i think i'm the only one here who missed it

what WAS the michael moore question? i didn't hear???

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. In Moore's

speech at the Clark rally he said Bush was a deserter from the military. Jennings thought Clark should have corrected Moore and Clark said Michael had every right to say what he said.

[newsguyatl]

23. good on clark for standing strong

bush absolutely WAS a deserter, why would they question that?

[Clark Can WIN]

27. Because it was a Faux debate

in every sense of the word. Faux took turns ripping on Clark for not "defending the President" (yes they used those words) for about 10 minutes after the debate.

[Terwilliger]

47. he didn't say it...Clark wouldnt say it

he said he's looking to the future

[jpgpenn]

that Dean scream image of yours is disturbing!

[Lorien]

25. Very!

I hope it's not from his website.

[ALago1]

7. What the hell are you talking about?

I'm not being rude, I just have no idea of what premises you are basing your conclusions on.

Please inform all of us...

[RichV]

8. What? Please explain.

He spent 90% of his time defending himself against personal allegations and explaining his past. Did he even have a chance to be right, left, or center? Only substantive point that comes to mind was the Patriot Act comment that civil libertarians of all stripes probably liked. That, and saying he opposed going to war.

[wyldwolf]

10. yeeeeeiiiiiiaaaahhhh!

[MIMStigator]

11. Huh?

?

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Got reality? :eyes:

[Walt Starr]

14. Only if the "deserter" moment escalates into a flap

Faux is fanning the flames. He got nicked on that one and a little blood is in the water. If the sharks pounce, it's over for Clark.

Only time will tell.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. I don't think so.

Clark COULD look at the information on the shrub being AWOL and set them straight. I don't think they want to do that.

[West Coast Democrat]

20. The AWOL thing is not a good issue for Faux to push

itcould turn around and bite them in the ass.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

38. Finally someone says it!

I try to read threads before repeating a point but frankly I think it is GREAT that Jennings asked. So what if the question was framed in the manner it was. Right now the kind of popularity the Dems are up against is that Bush is an honest man. He's not. For the TRUTH to come out about his AWOL status after the "mission accmplished" photo op WITHOUT the Dems bringing it up BUT FOX NEWS harping on it would be EXCELLENT!

I hope it gets asked at every debate.

[TomNickell]

53. Indeed. The charge is True Enough....

that * doesn't need it to become a big issue.

There is room to argue about the accuracy of the term 'deserter', but the facts are clear and not very flattering to *. If this question becomes a media frenzy, it hurts * seriously.

I think it is likely that Clark, a life-long military man, agrees with Michael Moore's term. As will many veterans.

[snyttri]

67. It could get lots of the media on Clark's side against Faux in defense

of the press.

[Walt Starr]

72. Long term, you're right

Short term, it could put Clark in fourth place in New Hampshire which would do him in.

[overground1]

49. That wasn't him getting "nicked on that one", he was being marked

The sharks will pounce. The questions were all about signaling to the right-wing media where to attack. These will be the themes.

Should Clark survive the primary, he won't survive the general election. Dean and Kerry both looked much more resilient.

[Cassandra]

71. Ah, I see your sig line has shifted

I like that new look. Let's have Dean back in stride again and it may be you convincing others. Dean was hilarious on Letterman tonight.

[Walt Starr]

73. The deserter moment turns out to be a Faux only flap

Clark survived the debate.

[feckerman]

16. Most everyone did well..

My thoughts:

* Edwards - not his best performance. He seemed a little out of it.
* Kerry - very focused on Bush (finally), I did not like how he avoided the hike on the upper-class question. Solid overall.
* Dean - His closing comments about the debate were excellent, while his overall performance was solid
* Clark - When he is on his scripted material (the stuff his campaign has reviewed) he does fine. You can tell when he steps off of it though.
* NonLiberalman - For all my negative feelings about him, he finally gave a great performance. He stole it I thought. Wouldn't vote for him if you paid me - but he did a great job.

Kus. looked old in the light - did not flatter him :)
I think most everyone has something to be proud of.

4 days and counting.

[annagull]

22. lol, Non-Liberalman!

He was ok, until he started talking about how "just" this war is.

[Zech Marquis]

17. this was a big debate for Clark

and he did quite well for himself. I especially liked his plan to go through the Patriot Act, Tonight I salute him yet again! :toast:

[John_H]

19. Frank Sesno? is that you?

[HuckleB]

21. Sorry, but the four front runners are all very electable.

[overground1]

24. that may be true but we're talking about the "title" watch for it.

[HuckleB]

30. The "title"? Shouldn't that go to Lieberman?

I'm sorry, but Clark did nothing to make him appear "unelectable" tonight.

[overground1]

39. Lieberman is very electable. Anyone who shares a stage with Moore is not

in American politics. Everyone on that stage HAS been elected, except for Clark and Sharpton, and it showed tonight.

But as for Clark, it's not what he says or does from now on. The media script will be the same, but the blanks are now filled with "Clark" instead of "Dean".

Watch for it.

[Kahuna]

40. Clark has been a target from day one. And he's still standing.

Thanks for your concern though. :eyes:

[HuckleB]

54. Now I know you're just blowing steam.

Lieberman is not electable. There really no question about that.

[overground1]

57. If Lieberman isn't electable, then explain the "Senator" in his name.

When has Clark even proven he can be elected? What office?
Also, Lieberman tops national non-partisan polls. This is what it takes to win a nationwide office. Not just the Michael Moore wing of the Democratic (Green?) party.

[jburton]

26. Clark was given crappy questions

The moderators never asked him a substantial policy question. If they did, I missed it.

[overground1]

28. sure, because Dean was torn down, Clark is the new target.

Clark will now get the Dean treatment. That is why he is the new "unelectable". Get it?

[Clark Can WIN]

no you are correct.......... not one

but then they didn't hand that many to anyone. Freakin' Faux.

[Guaranteed]

29. I agree that he looked bad, but only because he was given REALLY

shitty questions. They were torpedoing him. It made it very difficult for him to get his message across.

[overground1]

32. just as they planned it. And it will work on the public. 2 down, 5 to go

[Clark Can WIN]

33. It won't work on New Hamphire liberal Democrats

it will only help him. They like Michael Moore. Sorry if this blows your plans.

[Kahuna]

41. He managed to sneak his message through as much as..

anyone else except Lieberman. In case you missed it, he said, Democrats are the party of family values. He wants to keep America safe and take care of the people.

[HFishbine]

31. I'm a harsh Clark critic

and I don't think Clark cast any doubts on his electability tonight.

[Clark Can WIN]

34. gotta say that means something coming from you HFishbine

Way to inject some objective honesty. Thanks.

[HFishbine]

36. I do what I can

I'm getting more inspired to lead with my heart. ;)

[Maddy McCall]

37. LOL!

[Kahuna]

42. Thanks H.

:D

[Demo Gog]

35. Oh, I don't know...

I think Clark and Dean can both share the title of "UNELECTABLE."

[Kahuna]

43. "Demo Gog?" Anybody else thinking what I'm thinking.

:tinfoilhat:

[Kahuna]

46. Clark proved tonight that he is a fighter, damnit!

He can take whatever the repukes dish out. That's my general!

[Demo Gog]

52. I wondered when I would be accused!

I didn't think it would be on my first night. I'm no freeper, friend. Far, far, FAR from it. I like Clark and Dean. It was a joke.

[Kahuna]

60. No one said you were a freeper...

:hi:

[HFishbine]

44. (cue Jaws theme) Dum dum, dum dum

Did Edwards say anythinig tonight that might just bite him in the ass? Think hard now.

[Kahuna]

48. Ummm. Can't explain Islam..

He really "bobbled" that question.

[Maddy McCall]

58. Was wrong about DOMA too.

But that's ok, because I still dig him. :-)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

55. lol! I didn't think he did that great either. He is now being overrated...

on a consistent basis....

[kerry-is-my-prez]

50. He can get away with it as a General and someone who gets called Repub

THAT'S what makes it so delicious. He can get away with anything....

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[Demo Gog]

56. I know I'm new...

but is there ALWAYS this much candidate-bashing. I'm mean, jeez. Let's not forget who the enemy really is: the black-hearted, anti-environment, anti-women, anti-minority, anti-gay, anti-labor union, anti-education, anti-health care, anti-medicare, anti-social security Republicans!

[Maddy McCall]

59. jchild *whispers* to demo gog

I think he's talking about the guy who started the thread.

Welcome to DU :toast:

[Kahuna]

61. Your handle is the type of handle ...

freepers use when they come over to play. :shrug: Maybe you should change it. Just a suggestion.

[Auntie Bush]

70. Hey, that was my thoughts when I first started here

but now I'm used to it. However I don't know if we are doing any of our candidates any good. The freepers must get a kick out of us all ganging up on each other. Hang in there though. After this primary we are all going to help our candidate win the election...not matter whom it is.

[WillyT]

63. Um... Hey Jack... Is That... Like... Allowed Now ???

Might wanna edit your subject line. Just a friendly tip.

:scared:

[WillyT]

65. Damn... Too Late !!!

I tried dude.

Peace!

[dusty64]

62. God, here they go again.

Isn't it apparent what is going on here with the media whores. Their sickening routine is becoming pretty apparent. Now they are trying to destroy a candidate for telling the truth, the Pravda press ought to try it some time.

[overground1]

66. This is what I've been saying they did to Dean, Clark supporters denied it

and blamed Dean. Now the media has decided to turn their sights on Clark instead. Now we will see if Clark supporters are consistent.

[Seldona]

64. So somehow that means Dean is now electable?

Please.

Clark did just fine.

The one issue they keep talking about, him not 'defending the President', is absurd.

And I think people will see that.

They can only hurt themselves.

There are people on record admitting abuse of political power to keep AWOL out of Nam.

At best, his daddy kept him out. At worst he disappeared for a year during his party days.

We can only come out on top on this one.

[overground1]

68. It's not about "defending the President", it's about tying Clark to Moore

They are linking Clark to Moore, they will paint him to be a crazy conspiracy theorist. That is the objective. They will make Clark and Moore interchangable.

[Demo Gog]

69. I think in general,

endorsements have not seemed to help ANY of the candidates. Gore, Braun, Bradley, McGovern, Harkin, Michael Moore... At least not yet anyway.