DeLay calls for Impeachment on Schiavo Judges??? Pot Meet Kettle

[greenbriar]

DeLay Targets Legal System in Schiavo Case

Thu Mar 31, 5:42 PM ET Top Stories - AP


By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - House Majority Leader Tom DeLay on Thursday blamed Terri Schiavo's death on what he contended was a failed legal system and he raised the possibility of trying to impeach some of the federal judges in the case.
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[DesEtoiles]

1. Does that apply to the Baby Sun case in Texas as well?

[Dez]

2. Unbelievable! n/t

[RoyGBiv]

3. And so it begins ...

Didn't take as long as I expected.

While it is tempted to dismiss this as the ravings of a lunatic desperately trying to cover his own ass (and it is all of that), we need to take this seriously. Dismantling the judicial system has been the entire point of this from the beginning. We're now at Stage #2. If we get to Stage #3, we've already lost.

[Mr_Spock]

4. We can't lose.

It's not permissible.

[RoyGBiv]

8. Absolutely ...

My fear is a debate in the not too distant future on a new Judiciary Act. Should that debate come, we have two choices: Act or Run.

[Mr_Spock]

12. There is not choice,

Family's been here for 305 years - these immigrants can go.

[unkachuck]

16. I agree....

....extreme right-wing political threats should be taken very seriously. I think we need to be considering a quiet dialog with moderate Republicans in order to establish a future 'impeaching' majority should bushco and the extreme right-wing 'wander' permanently outside of our Constitution and laws....

....a group of super patriots joining together, independent of Party, to save the Republic....

....and last week it seems we came close to a Constitutional crisis....but isn't that the extreme right-wing strategy?....attack our laws and Constitution to erode it/us into a theocracy?....


edit: spelling

[davidinalameda]

5. this I want to see

I want to see all the judges who ruled against the parents brought up on impeachment

can you imagine the public reaction

Go Tom Go!

Even his base would revolt

[MO_Dem]

7. I agree!

Bring it on Tom! It'll be the unravelling of all your best laid plans and schemes.

[RoyGBiv]

10. I don't ...

One thing the neo-cons are good at is chess. They understand the necessity of sacrificing pawns to trap a king. The pawns in this case are circling around the object and drawing the fire, leading inexorably to the real goal. The judges in and of themselves don't matter. It's the system. If the system doesn't allow these judges to be impeaced, that system needs to be changed. (This is the argument they are using with increasing, but still subtle volume.)

A loss at this level initiates the next, Congressional intervention to change the system.

[adwon]

19. You give them too much credit

Bear in mind that this is the same pack of nimrods who were convinced Iraqis would greet Americans with flowers and cheers. These silly bastards are playing checkers.

[RoyGBiv]

20. I do?

Bear in mind that this is the same pack of nimrods who have slowly but surely developed a stranglehold over our system of government during the last 20-odd years. They're also the same nimrods that keep beating us. However they manage it, through legitimate means or rigged elections, they have been smart enough to get away with it and put this country on the brink of disaster.

Ignore them at our peril. Dumb or not, they are in power. They have developed and are utilizing a coherent plan. Those of us who oppose them have yet to find a viable strategy for stopping them. If they're really all that stupid, we must barely register as sentient.

[adwon]

22. Yep, you do :P

The success of the radicals is due entirely to the failures of the Democratic party. They didn't convince people to vote for them, we gave them little choice. Successive Democratic Congresses quit paying attention to income stagnation, deindustrialization, and wealth consolidation.

I don't think they're dumb, I just don't regard them as intelligent. They're cunning, not smart. People are intelligent, animals are cunning...but plenty of people have died underestimating just how powerful a cunning animal can be.

[RoyGBiv]

23. Entirely, eh?

Okay. You hold on to that theory if it makes you feel better.

[adwon]

26. ?

Ok, they ran on Newt's contract in 94. Beyond that, it's pretty much the fault of this party. They prettied up the language they used to describe just how they'd sell this country down the river while Democrats assumed that the election of Clinton was the sign of holding the entire government once again.

Oh, right. There was the end of the Cold War, which saw the replacement of majority parties throughout the developed world. That's a common postwar phenomenon. Hell, the GOP took both houses of Congress in 1946.

If you think it's entirely due to stolen elections...well, from a historical perspective, it's not as though no election in American history ever got stolen before. 1960 comes to mind. It's time to take a lesson from FDR. After LBJ lost the special election for the Senate in 1941, he went to visit FDR. Roosevelt teased him a bit about the loss, which was a blatant steal, by saying,"Lyndon, apparently you Texans haven't learned one of the first things we learned up in New York State, and that is that when the election is over, you have to sit on the ballot boxes." Rather than bemoan the alleged misdeeds of Diebold (alleged because I honestly am not familiar with the whole shebang), Democrats should simply focus on the future and change the system.

Honestly, if people really want to fix the electoral process, voting methods is half the story. Ending the spoils game of Congressional redistricting is the other.

[BlueIris]

6. I've been thinking "pot, meet kettle" all day long

with regard to delay. I've also been thinking a lot of other things about him which aren't safe to post without violating site guidelines.

[Erika]

9. DeLay's import is only in his own mind

He's becoming a major embarrassment to his own party.

[cquik18]

11. Shouldn' t he be worried more about

..his own possible investigation? I say possiblwe because you never know how the milquetoasts infiltrating the Dem ranks will act.

Besides, it's funny to see conservatives now butting heads with other conservatives...So DeLay wants to impeach sitting judges for enforcing the Constitution? I wanna SEE this! HAW HAW HAW!

[Gloria]

13. OK, when does a Democrat start shoving back? Anyone??

Or are we going to be "Swift-boated" again....

[DesEtoiles]

14. Use the Media list pinned at the top of the Media forum to blast this:

http://onoekeh.blogspot.com/2005/03/remove-life-support-says-george-w-bush.html

"Remove Life Support!" Says George W. Bush

Digby:

By now most people who read liberal blogs are aware that George W. Bush signed a law in Texas that expressly gave hospitals the right to remove life support if the patient could not pay and there was no hope of revival, regardless of the patient's family's wishes. It is called the Texas Futile Care Law. Under this law, a baby was removed from life support against his mother's wishes in Texas just this week. A 68 year old man was given a temporary reprieve by the Texas courts just yesterday


Mark A. R. Kleinman gives the details:

Sun Hudson, a six-month-old boy with a fatal congenital disease, died Thursday after a Texas hospital, over his mother's objections, withdrew his feeding tube. The child was apparently certain to die, but was conscious. The hospital simply decided that it had better things to do than keeping the child alive, and the Texas courts upheld that decision after the penniless mother failed, during the 10-day window provided for by Texas law, to find another institution willing to take the child .

Where, I would ask, is the outrage? In particular, where is the outrage from those like Tom DeLay, who referred to the withdrawal of Terry Schiavo's life support as "murder"? If it's appropriate to Federalize the Schiavo case, what about the people being terminated simply because their cases are hopeless and their bank accounts empty?

Sun Hudson is dead, but 68-year-old Spiro Nikolouzos is still alive, thanks to an emergency appeals court order issued yesterday. However, his life support could be cut off at any moment. A nursing home is willing to take him if his family can show that he will be covered by Medicaid after his Medicare runs out. Otherwise, the hospital gets to pull the plug.


Mr. Kleinman has more on this and his analysis on his page.

Where was the very concerned pro-life movement when G.W. Bush passed this law?

Where was the pro-life movement when this conscious 6 month old's life support was removed just this last week?

[zulchzulu]

15. DeLay is a rat that is stuck in a corner...time for us to put him out

The gloves are off.

[NVMojo]

17. Gee, DeLayer, I don't like you either, can I get you impeached?

[fortyfeetunder]

18. Just like Teddy said

DeLay should watch what he says, considering the tragedy that befell the judge in Chicago... I wish he'd crawl into a hole.

[Avalux]

21. Hey Tom - know what hubris is?

You're gonna get what's coming to you and I can't wait. :popcorn:

[Guckert]

24. Start with Republican Greer then move on to Republican 11th Circuit

Why not throw in Republican Jeb and Supreme Court. Hell, why not Bush for refusing to save her with a mere swipe of his Cowardly pen.

[blm]

25. PLEASE DO IT. Those damn OldTime Republican judges gotta go and

you must replace them with EndTimes Republicans.

The founding fathers would PERSONALLY have DeLay drawn and quartered.

[greenbriar]

28. I've been thinking...he threatened judges and is facing possibly

his own trial...will that help or hurt his?

[blm]

30. He's likely setting himself up as a martyr for the EndTimers who he uses

as his footsoldiers. He'll never admit he's a fascist CROOK of the highest order.

[snippy]

27. Tyrants have always attempted to control or curtail the power of judges.

Current republicans are no different in this respect from any tyrants of the past. Democrats need to be out front on the issue of republicans impeaching federal judges to prevent the republicans from defining and controlling the debate.

Democrats also need to address the fact that republicans have created a dangererous climate for judges and they are going to increase their attempts to incite people to violence against judges. The demonizing of judges by Bush and other republicans is going to have an effect on some people who are dangerously unbalanced such as Tim McVeigh, Ann Coulter, and Tom DeLay. Democrats should introduce some bills in Congress to increase security for judges and their families to protect against the increased risks created by those who are demonizing judges.

[tjdee]

29. What a bloated psycho!

It is not Congress', or anyone else's job, to "punish" the judiciary and to "make them answer" for anything. The judiciary operates independently of Congress for a reason, dummy.

Didn't this assclown ever hear of checks and balances?

[paineinthearse]

31. quick and easy guide

For a quick and easy guide to DeLaygate, see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1700624