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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:41 PM
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The "worm turns" - CNN calling "Dean Screech Cover"...."overkill"
Edited on Thu Jan-22-04 07:54 PM by cthrumatrix
They had a piece...showed it...all the coverage...and then peoples reaction.

Quotes like.."Deans human...the south call that a "redneck"...it migh tnot hurt him at all"


what's the saying..."trajedy + time" = COMEDY

I think it's turning..............
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:44 PM
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1. I think Dean would even admit it wasn't his finest moment
but this thing has been beaten to death, so much so that a backlash of some kind wouldn't surprise me.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:21 AM
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20. He did admit it on the Diane Sawyer interview tonight...good thing, too
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:34 AM
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23. He should have NEVER apologized for that speech
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 12:37 AM by maggrwaggr
As far as I'm concerned, this is the first big mistake I've seen Dean make -- that is, apologize for his speech.

Big boo-boo. It's the one time I've been disappointed in him. His attitude should have been "fuck you" (only nicer of course).

He should NEVER apologize in a situation like that.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:09 AM
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24. Weren't you listening - he didn't apologize
He (and his wife) admitted that it sounded a little goofy, but he said that it was just the way he was, and he didn't care if it wasn't "presidential". He made no apologies for his speech, and he pointed out that he was trying to lift the spirits of his disappointed supporters.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:51 PM
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2. I think it's turning, too
Now the media is looking worse than Dean ever did.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:57 PM
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6. I agree
it's so predictable; the media overreacts all the time.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:41 AM
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25. And they overreact IN UNISON
how can this escape anyone anymore? The media is a single voice, representing a very wealthy and corrupt few!
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:21 PM
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11. I LOVE that picture of...........
General Clark. Love it,love it,love it. :loveya:
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poppabear36 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:53 PM
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3. Turned Dean for me
I've been immune to Dean's charms for the whole campaign so far ... but the more I see of this speech the more I like the guy. The ridicule has been SO overboard for someone who obviously has some passion for living and leadership. Still not my first choice but I get the guy now.
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stinkeefresh Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:57 PM
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7. can you believe folks kept saying Rove wanted to face Dean?
I'm glad you're looking at him anew. I swear to God, Rove fears this man.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:48 PM
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16. I swear to god Rove is crapping himself daily because
on that stage represents 8 people who can all eat George's lunch.

Who does Rove want to go up against? Hillary or Gore. They've already written those attack scripts. Our current crop keep throwing curve balls, to Bush and to the media.

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:27 PM
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12. Thanks!
:hi:
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:49 AM
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29. That's such a nice thing to say...
thank you! :pals:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:55 PM
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4. This is great.
It IS turning. Wait till the Top Ten List.

This could be exactly what his campaign needed.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:55 PM
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5. It's growing on me
I still laugh like hell when I hear it though. :+
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:00 PM
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8. It IS turning.
I went out for coffee today and the one thing I kept hearing over and over was 'you know, I saw it and it wasn't that bad". Dr. Dean may benefit from media overkill.

How strange it gets.
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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:24 PM
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9. He sucked the air out of all media
Not only the usual suspects like "news" shows, but comedy TV, morning radio shows, the web, and on and on.

100 times the coverage of Bushs* speech.

Like his speech or not, it took over the airwaves.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:19 PM
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10. I just do not know what all the fuss........
is about. He's smiling the whole time he's talkin'. So what? He's passionate, tired, and hurt, I would imagine. His emotions got the best of him for 10 seconds. Whoopdeedoo. I still love him and I'll say it again, this race would have been totally boring without him. The press would not be covering it like they are if not for him. We would be forced to watch Joyless-Joe, sad-sack Kerry, and Edwards is OK. But BORING nonetheless!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:28 PM
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14. Smiling the Whole Time.
Dean!
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:22 AM
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21. Can you imagine!
Howard Dean forced the other candidates to speak up and speak out. Your username says it all. :)
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:28 PM
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13. I admit I laughed..
My husband received an email with a video clip of Dean, set to music, and he was clutching a small, defenseless kitten. I laughed my ass off at it. I am one of the staunchest Dean supporters.. I did the flash mob at the Space Needle for him, donated, plan to caucus for him. I just thought it was really funny when I saw the clip and the kitten. It was like a perfect satire on what the media was alledging about him. He is laughing about it himself. I saw clip of his interview with Diane Sawyer (god, she's had a lot of plastic surgery in the years since I saw her on t.v.! Yikes!). She asked if he thought he was acting "presidential" during his speech that night. He said, 'of course not. When my son plays hockey and does something awesome, I jump up and screech. That's not presidential, but it's human and it's part of being a Dad, and I"ll continue to be both'. I'm paraphrasing, obviously. Wonderful answer. She also accused him of using his wife as "prop" by having her show up the night before the caucuses (that was an inance accusation), and by having her at the interview. Judy Dean quelled that one nicely. She's very nice and normal.. not a stepford wife.

This whole speech thing will die down. I think it was a great way to get him noticed, for better or worse!! Lots of people still don't know who he is. Can't wait for the Letterman show. But.. when the hell is he going to be on the Daily Show????
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 11:46 PM
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15. I think you're right........
I sure hope so anyway.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:15 AM
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19. YOU did the Space Needle flash mob???!!?
That is so damn cool! I remember that!!!

I agree, I want to see him on the Daily Show too.
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Pax Argent Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:01 AM
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17. The media may have overplayed its hand
I have right wing friends who are extending sympathy to me because they wanted to see Dean lose based on his positions, not in some BS gotcha attempt. This might cause people to get to know his positions. Who knows?

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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:09 AM
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18. I still say they should
set it to music and start selling the CDs before someone else does.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:24 AM
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22. Hee hee I like that idea
Someone'll do it...they may as well make some money off of it.

Although, on the other hand, I think the moment may have passed, as of now. Which is just as well...
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:18 AM
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26. It's amazing
how much can change in a few days. Monday night and Tuesday I felt nothing but hopeless despair. Even though I wouldn't admit it to anyone, I thought he was toast. I thought the media would never let him live Monday night down.

But their constant 24-hour analysis of his "screech" is going to totally bite them in the ass. The more it's played, the more he gets noticed, and the more people are saying, "Hey, what's the big deal?"

I feel just as confident as ever that he is going to pull through this one. The tide is definitely turning :)
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:33 AM
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27. just gotta get passed NH
then the Dr is IN.
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:36 AM
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28. YES!!
Believe me, I won't be able to sleep soundly until Tuesday is over.
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